I love the Joe Rogan podcast. Probably one of my favorite podcasts, but I think he became anti-vegan bc the popular youtuber Vegan Gains (and his fans) started attacking him.
I wonder why the Kale sign set these guys off. Far better targets to protest. The protestors should focus all their energy on the farms where animals are crammed with crappy living conditions. Typically the smaller outfits will kill animals more humanely.
The key for Veganism to grow is to find a way to get the cost down for vegan food that can be easily eaten on the go with little effort (I know that Veganism is cheaper if you have the time to prepare food daily, but most people don't). It's getting better.
But as for eating healthy, the Ketosis people have way more options right now and there's more companies providing more types of food right now. I see these people as the people the Vegans should focus on converting rather than attacking bc they at least care for their health.
The vegan options are growing and getting cheaper, but it has a way to go.
Oh wow. I used to listen to Richard (Vegan Gains) but mostly grew tired of him. Listening to him rant about the hypocrisies of certain people can be entertaining. Eventually he dipped into attacking other vegans (and the types of vegan diets they were advocating), based on interpersonal drama, and it sort of crippled his integrity for me. He'd say things that obviously weren't making sense, like a manipulative attempt to lead his viewers to feeling certain ways about someone. So that was the end of him in my mind.
And it became harder to enjoy the stuff about meat eaters when you realize he's not committed to presenting it fairly.
He's from Toronto I think. Wonder if he's been at the protests.
(And it just goes to show that attacking people isn't "activism". Now someone with a wide audience is telling people not to be vegan, when maybe he wouldn't have otherwise.)
Yup! If they succeeded at hurting this restaurant, it just makes things worse for animals.
Definitely. If there was a vegan version of McDonald's, a lot of people would eat there, whether or not they're even 100% vegan. It would immediately be more attainable.
I wish a lot of so-called activists would be more focused on building the things that actually help people, rather than on yelling at people.
Hmm. It could be a 2 way street, as far as attacking goes. You shouldn't attack in a personal sense (or try to ruin their business etc), but criticizing the diet and why you think it's wrong and all that is fair game and a good thing imo, and I'm sure the Ketos do it to veganism too.
But ya, they seem kind of similar. Like an AnCap vs AnCom thing, both outside the mainstream and more internally consistent.. and so even tho they're kind of diametrically opposed to each other, in a way it's similar in the sense that they both seem to be looking for a principled or "right" way to do it, and they're probably more likely to flip than someone who eats standard is to start opening up the rabbit holes.
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