This purpose of this post is a conversation starter to discuss voting. If you feel there is too much spam, self-voting, etc., let's not blame the poster, let's talk about voting. What is your vote supporting and why?
* my own bad art
Reasons to vote for a post:
- Curation Rewards
- Author worked 4,500 hrs on post
- The post had 10k perfectly written words that were factual and educational and every comma was in the correct spot.
- You enjoyed the content
- You have connected in some way with the Author
- You think the post will add value to your Steem investment
- Someone asked you to vote for it
- You are hoping for a return vote
- Gaining name recognition
- To help retain users
- It is your own post and you want to use the stake you earned or bought to improve your stake
- Steemvoter voted on it
- I don't know...
Please list below additional ideas or those you feel are either valid or invalid. This would be a great conversation for the new users to consider as they decide how to use their own votes, and also might help them decide what to publish on SteemIt.
*In my opinion there are no wrong answers, however, we do shape behavior by giving rewards
I also try to upvote all comments on my posts. And I pair up with @geke on this so everyone who leaves an actual comment (I don't upvote spam) will get two upvotes guaranteed. I upvote comments in hopes that people will eventually notice that I do this and see it in their benefit to comment on my posts. But I also do it because I really do appreciate when someone takes the time to say something.
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I also think that includes everything under the topic..!
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that make sense,some nice points to consider great post @whatsup
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Great topic! This is a frustration for me, I don't upvote anything that shows no sign of effort, if a post is 1 picture and a sentence, that has not taken effort. I am now starting to unfollow those who post useless spam posts.
The reason for this is so I can see those who I follow because they put time, energy and effort into their posts. I want more visibility for them.
I have recently stopped upvoting for the sake of Curation. To me this encourages thoughtless voting, leaves people who have put hours into posts with barely any rewards, and encourages the kind of spam mentioned above.
I still upvote myself, but then if I don't who does, and I am sacrificing Curation to support others, like me, who put hours into a post and barely get rewarded for it.
As I have only been on here a month or so, I have found a problem recently with the followers I picked up early on, as a fresh Minnow you build followers by networking other minnows and exchanging follows, upvotes, support, etc. After a month, I'd say I see barely any of the minnows I came across who posted quality content on my feed anymore, they are drowned out by the spam or have given up trying to overcome it and become inactive followers, meaning that the follower base I have picked up a long the way has diminished, but even worse, it has diminished mostly of those who voted thoughtfully. Leaving me to get 15 or 16 votes for even less STEEM cents.
I do occasionally get rewarded for my efforts, when a post gets seen by someone who recognizes effort that has been put in and recommends it to a whale group. This is nice and it helps the confidence and encourages me to keep putting in the time.
However this too is not exactly a long term sustainable position because of the reputation caps those groups have and while their support on one post is nice, they do not really become followers who will read your next post. Maybe the right post will achieve that, and from there things grow? I don't know.
I don't know if this is a new problem with the influx of users, because I got on here after the HF 19 so I just don't have the experience, maybe these issues I have raised are things that everyone successful who posts good content had to battle through?
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The balance I want to see is good enough content to have end-user that are not earning a ton of money, but still are enjoying the site.
I don't want to "pay" users to stay, so we have to make the site fun and usable on it's own.
I know the curation rewards are there to get people to vote, but it does tend to throw the voting to the same people each day, which frustrates me on many levels.
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Exactly, people throw their votes at the same Whales everyday because the curation payout is so much better if they get onto those posts early, then they probably also save their voting power for those posts.
I actually joined Steemit to have a wallet for my Steem that wasn't an exchange. Because I couldn't transfer from Coinspot to Bittrex because Coinspot had a Bittrex STEEM account, so it was trying to transfer Bittrex to Bittrex, just with a different Memo. It didn't work so I got my coins back and created this account to move them to.
Once I looked around and realised what it was, I got excited, at first about the earning potential, yes, but then I realised that was not a guarantee and that I had started to enjoy learning new things like HTML and Markdown and also improving rusty skills like writing. I also enjoy going through my travel diaries and photo's and writing about awesome experiences, while remembering them. Now the rewards mean nothing, I just want my effort to be recognised, doesn't have to be financial, but if I am getting say 80votes, and 10-30 dollars but only 5 people actually read my post then I am frustrated, way more than if 20 people vote, I make 2 dollars and but 18 of them actually read it and properly look at it.
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Mainly to show that I enjoyed the content. Because my vote is worth practically nothing there's no other reason :D Even if I don't upvote, that doesn't mean I don't like the content, sometimes I'm just really low on voting power :D
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I completely understand the voting power thing creates an interesting dynamic between voting and not voting. I feel interaction is good, but just posting to post for the sake of pennies isn't that great.
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Enjoyed your post and all the comments. I personally hunt for things to upvote. Some certain topics or even to vote because i know i will make curations. But mostly upvote people i connect with.
I don't understand with whats wrong with a picture with a couple sentences. Especially if its in something like art or photography. I guess thats why i don't earn a whole lot but then again why put so much time in effort into something if you won't be recognized/paid. This is why i encourage people to use the wide variety of bots to earn on posts. Either to earn off your hard earned work or even the not so hard earned work. Anyways kinda leaning off topic. Thanks for your post enjoyed it keep sharing great content.
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Content, enjoyed it or to boost a new steemer.
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You've covered a lot of the reasons why I will vote for a post. Recently I've started to resteem more frequently as well.
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I love this post. It's very true. No other reasons come to my mind right now. You pretty much nailed all of them for me.
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knowing that you read my Rambles, you've likely seen my rants about what gets my votes. Let's see if I can sum it up a bit..
A piece of writing, I want it to engage me from the first sentence to the last.
A photo or sketch, I want the artist to write to me about why that piece has value and how it speaks to the artist.
A video, tell me what matters about the video if I'm going to take my time to watch it.
A comic, should present the message on its own, so I don't expect commentary attached.
Oh, and those links to outside articles, write some commentary about your view on the link that includes a brief summary of the content. If you don't want to bother, then, well thanks for the link but a vote, not happening.
I do upvote my own posts after the 30 minute mark usually and usually not more than what I upvote other people's posts by.
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I chose number 4 and 5.
I vote for content I enjoy and is close to what I post myself. It can be a longer article that I read with pleasure or learned something from, or a photograph that really caught my eye.
I also like to show support to my friends and people I connected with.
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The divide is whether someone is voting for personal reasons (quality of post, enjoyment) or curation (a calculated advantage). These goals compete since after HF19 we've got a limited number of 100% upvotes before our VP discharges. You can't vote for both. I noticed that low SP accounts are thus saving their votes for their own content. Higher SP accounts that have the handy slider are voting as they wish, hitting both camps in some cases.
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I'm newbie here, trying to be good here.
It's easy - you help me, I help you.
Don't know anything about selfvoting, trying to upvote others, but sometimes you just have to do it :)
Just hate this thing- i have around 300 hundred followers, but sometimes i post something, got like 0 upvotes, only these copy paste follow comments, at that moment you just lose to trust your followers.
Wanted to say- if the article or post whatever is good or it got something that i stopped- i give a upvote.
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Keep trying, keep improving the quality of your posts and comment. :)
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Voting alone is one thing, but the effects of the voting is another. This is a complicated topic.
In the political world, a vote is a vote; everyone gets a vote and it counts the same as everyone else's vote.
On here, a vote is not a vote, because the more SP you have, the more your vote counts. Basically, it comes down to those with money can control everything. The vote of 1,000 noobs means nothing next to the vote of a single whale. So what are we really talking about here? Are we examining ethics of voting or ethics of the system itself? Are we looking to find a consensus about what is acceptable voting practices or are we looking at finding a way to make the system work for the broader population?
Unless you define your focus, it is difficult to give an answer.
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Yes, I want all of the answers. I guess what I personally am after is people spending a couple of minutes wondering how (and yes in some cases IF) their vote is impacting the site.
The users of this site all have different goals and financial means, something I try to do is "Practice how I want to play". (Even when my vote is small, use it like I mean it)
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Voting covers all voting including witness voting.
So if you are looking only how we view voting for ourselves, then I would say that there are a few who vote the way the system was 'expected' to run. The majority see voting not as a way to govern the system, but rather to earn an income. This leads to 'gaming' the system and is the source of SPAM and all the other ills that the original intent was not supposed to have.
I'm sorry to say it, but I see the system as not functioning as intended.
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Oh and I forgot to add.
That I don't wait 30 minutes to vote. I understand there is a small increase in your rewards if you vote at the 30 minute mark. But that is selfish and simply doesn't help the community, if you like a post, it has been written well, effort has gone into the format and you want to encourage that person, vote. Just vote. Don't wait. I voted this post straight away, because I could see straight up that a lot of thought had gone into it.
So why wait to vote?
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I also do manual curation and I vote when I see something I like. I feel it is in my best interest.
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I was getting a little annoyed for a while that people were commenting things like "great post, wow, blah blah blah" and not voting. Then I thought about it and realized regardless of what anyone else does, I'm going to keep writing because it's what I want to do. If they want to read it and not vote, whatever that isn't up to me. However if you want to do like one prick and copy and paste my entire post and repost it as your own, get ready to be flagged into oblivion because I only have so much namaste in me. :)
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Wow. They reposted your whole post? That is pretty crazy. I have been pondering the content/engagement problem for a while and the only way to improve the content on Steem is to vote responsibly.
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It was a post I had spent several hours on making for minnow support project. I was not happy at all. They didn't even take the time to copy the pictures, so they post they put up made zero sense, it was just all the words from my post that could have filled up an entire instruction manual without all of the actual pictures explaining what the words meant. I was just like staring at it like... did someone realllly do this? Makes me grateful for Cheetah bot actually. If it hadn't tagged my post as the "similar" content I wouldn't have known.
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Nice drawing :d
I don't know. Just upvoting all my friends and new acquaintances on steemit that i like. Pretty simple.
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This post has received a 7.03 % upvote from @booster thanks to: @whatsup.
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