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Thank you!! @movingman Water has a Danged Memory!!

ceattlestretch (53) in water • 7 years ago

The main things that I’ve gotten out of this exchange are that you believe the version of history you’ve heard is absolutely correct, you believe your imagination covers all possibilities, & that you can provide links to standard explanations that lack logical sense, despite your faith in them. There is nothing in these responses of value for me & I don’t believe you are open minded enough for me to spend my time continuing to read your attempted insults.

If you want to insult strangers, do it in the real world where you can expirement with real physics & have some fun 😃

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7 years ago by ceattlestretch (53)

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baah (61) · 7 years ago (edited)

The insult is telling me that I lack the "ability" to have a "logical discussion" and accusing me of making things "personal", and to knock this nail home, it doesn't matter what "insults" you construct, it's entirely your choice to make nonsense assertions and drop the conversation after I had spent my time explaining things in a cogent wa.y. You heard the one about the onus of proof is on the claimant? You claimed much but it was all left as baseless assertions, in fact I could probably list 20 of them, lets see how good I am with estimating them:

Above you spoke of my beliefs of "history I have heard being absolutely correct" but you have no right to speak of my beliefs when I didn't utter the word once and I never posited what you claimed once
You claimed that I spoke of my belief again, this time that my "imagination covering all possibilities" but again I never once uttered such nonsense and not once insinuated such
You claim the links I provided lack logical sense yet you didn't offer any proof or explanations to it that made sense and when I offered the Coriolis effect you went quiet and instead directed your efforts at this trite remark about me and my beliefs.
That the links I provided requires Faith, nothing to substantiate that baseless assertion was offered though.
That I insulted you, or "attempted" to insult you, yet there's zero substance to back this assertion up.
That I made things personal, just above that and on top of that you claimed that "I seem to be lacking the ability to not TRY to make things personal when having a logical discussion", the insinuating nonsense was both Personal and lacked logical consistency since one can hurl insults AND make perfect, reasonable sense, or you seem to imply that the two are exclusive to one another.
You insinuated that I didn't "stick to logic" by demanding that I "Stick to logic", again insinuating that as previously, because I make "assertions" about you I am not sticking to logic, as if logic and "assertions about you" are mutually exclusive.
*You asserted that the most obvious advantage for this conspiracy is economic reasons but you didn't bother to offer any kind of reasoning or details as to how and why that is and left it as another baseless assertion.
You asserted that the link I posted makes no logical sense, yet you didn't bother to point to the obvious flaw in logic, and left it as a vacuous assertion.
You went on to errenously describe, the equivalent of a Ball being thrown in the air inside the car as being affected by the speed of the car, as if it was outside the car.
You went to erroneously consider that same scenario, as being outside the atmosphere and outside the earth, instead of sticking to the logical consistency/cogent scenario of an airplane (the ball) being inside the atmosphere and moving with it and in it (the car) by remarking that the speed of the car affects the inside of the car as if the velocity can be negated by throwing the ball to the back of the car (flying against the 1000mph atmosphere)
You went to assert that planes make no logical sense on a ball, yet they make perfect sense on a Static Plane, disregarding the simple common sense logic of the example and asserting your nonsense.
You've yet to bring forth any contentions to the Coriolis Effect
You've yet to delive the theoretical models that posit a lunar eclipse
You've yet to detail one simple scenario where the perpetrators of this Giant Conspiracy are advantaged by it.
You've tried to obfuscate or outright lie that you weren't interested in the curve from airplanes without detailing or explaining why such a detail is relevant
You've yet to address the experiment that demonstrates the motion of the earth with fiber optics
You've tried to tie in this ennormous undertaking of a conspiracy with other conspiracies, in effect saying that you don't trust ANY and ALL proffesionals from the hundreds of nations across the globe.
You've had nothing to say to the fact that we have PETABITES of data from the universe around us, and all of it is not only consistent, it's so consistent that there is yet to be any discreptancy, despite the fact that faking topography or imagery is impossible on many of the moons which are photographed at different light incidences.
You've claimed that you have been looking for the spin and curve of the earth for some time yet you've not ran over any of the numerous thigns I have posited and presented but you did attempt to marginalize my comments not once, not twice but three times, first by obsfucating that you weren't looking for the curve from an airplane as if that invalidates looking for the curve, that because I made assertions about you (which were based only on what you said and presented) you needent respond to my comment, and lastly these trite remarks on me devoid of any substance.

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ceattlestretch (53) · 7 years ago (edited)

I could write a long winded response, countering every single point you’ve made, but my perspective is your ego & programming gets in the way of your potential for creative thinking & positive discussion. Good luck to you on your quest for knowledge & improved communication

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baah (61) · 7 years ago

The only one lacking decorum for discussion and communication is the one that didn't bother to address anything that was said and instead accused me of making it personal and insulting them, while outright lying or obfuscating what they said.

You can sell your "I can counter all your points" but the chance to shine was LONG ago when the points were made, when you decided that the point you want to make is about my charachter and accuse me in turn of things that you have no chance in hell of demonstrating while equally you've tried to make it seem as all I have done is made assertions about you, as if what I said about you and your perspecive and lack of logic wasn't demonstrably evident from your own words and the silence that feel from you when faced with contentions and logical reasoning.

Tell me again how a ball was thrown inside of a car is affected by the car going 1 mph or 1000000 mph, and don't worry about the fact that such a conspiracy as you believe in wouldn't require an enormous effort without any discernable objective and/or benefits to the perpetrators that must number in the hundreds of millions yet there is zilch evidence for and nobody ever came out to say "I was part of this massive conspiracy" or evidence anything to substantiate it, and do sell your narative that you've due the diligence on this topic.

Good luck on your quest of addressing things with substance and not trying hard to leave yourself a plausible deniability with phrases such as "it seems" while attacking my character and not bothering one bit with the message.

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ceattlestretch (53) · 7 years ago

I absolutely fail to comprehend how throwing a ball in a slow moving car can prove anything about how a plane flying 500mph over a enormous ball spinning 1000mph behaves. That would require a leap of faith for me to believe it as they are nowhere near close to comparable in speed, size, scale or logic.

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baah (61) · 7 years ago

The scale is the keyword. Everything scales, that's how.

If you want to actually discuss this you'd start by addressing what I brought forward in a COHERENT manner, not by asserting that analogies require FAITH, because analogies are a LOGICAL and RHETORICAL device, not a presupposition. So in other words, start with the Coriolis Effect, or maybe even before that, with Velocity and Inertia and how things appear from someone being on the earth spinning around and from someone observing the earth and all that is on it, but don't forget that you owe me an apology and a sincere sentiment at that because you've effectively denigrated me and my person and lied about me insulting you.

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ceattlestretch (53) · 7 years ago

Perhaps try playing devils advocate on this topic & see for yourself how much faith based belief others have on this subject.

& everything does not scale in the magical world of gravity. Can my car be 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000kilos while traveling 10000000mph ?

Would that much mass start to engage the magic of gravity? Or maybe a car 100000000x bigger? Would scale matter then? Is my car spinning as well? Is there a magical gravity ball inside the spinning car? Is there a covered car roof over the non spinning atmosphere on earth?

You put time into your responses which I appreciate. If my words insulted you, I apologize. I’m not a fan of discoursing online with people who I feel are being disrespectful (keywords: I feel). I much prefer to have these kinds of discussions in person, requires a more respectful exchange of opinions & good for real people skills which translate to better online interactions in my experience.

I believe We should always question the things we were taught the earliest in my opinion, whether it be called religion (never been religious btw) or “science” or 🎅

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baah (61) · 7 years ago

I could write a long winded response, countering every single point you’ve made,

Instad of clarifying the truth for everyone, It seems you'd rather leave the falsehoods (that you accuse me of spreading by the very substance of your above statement) as the last word and the waste of time for everyone reading this as you'd rather talk about me and what you think about me, even as it was you that flung about accusations of making it personal and insulting you, because you think you can appear as respectable or respecting discussion, or care at all for spreading information or truth.

In other words, you have the integrity of runny shit, because this wasn't ever about me, or you, but about the things you introduced and opened your mouth about, which from this defeat you try to appear as if you have ANY chance to dismiss what I said while calling my comment long winded, no personal jab there because the substance of my comment doesn't matter, only your opinion of it's "excessive" length, which speaks so much on what I said, right?

Common sense though is something that's not undeniable and obvious, but "programming" and we are involved in "creative thinking" and "positive discussion" insinuating that I was for negative discussion and whatever you don't consider "creative", despite the effort spent expounding on truth with common sense and an inquiry full of sound reasoning and impetuous in addressing everything and anything you said or wanted to imply.

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