Thank you!! @movingman Water has a Danged Memory!!

naturowlmystic (56) in water • 7 years ago

Water is essential to all life but yet we know very little about it. Occasionally something pops up like the mad genius @movingman referencing a video where water remembers what it sees. With a little teamwork we found it. Check this crazy shit out and drop a comment on a weird fact you know about water!

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7 years ago by naturowlmystic (56)

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ceattlestretch (53) · 7 years ago

I know water always finds it level & never runs up hill

naturowlmystic (56) · 7 years ago

Yes! Water levels are super useful tools in construction. Sometimes when I was learning how to hang pipe we were having a devil of a time deciding how to measure certain complicated runs.

Then I remembered learning about water levels from my grandfather as a kid. Problems solved, my supervisors minds blown.

Thanks @ceattlestretch

ceattlestretch (53) · 7 years ago

Water is also a great tool to understand motion. It will always tell you if the container is in motion, no matter how big or small

naturowlmystic (56) · 7 years ago

What about the ocean? I reckon so though..... We have tides and swells, winds and storms which are all due in part to the motion of the earth.

ceattlestretch (53) · 7 years ago

Maybe, I’ve been looking for proof of the supposed spin & curve for quite awhile. Haven’t found any yet

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baah (61) · 7 years ago

http://www.conspiracyoflight.com/Sagnac/SagnacEarth.html

What about the lunar eclipse, with the shadow of the earth upon the moon, and equally what about the floating "curved spinning balls" which can be verified with a direct observation from ANY store-bought telescope, or the logical proof that such a conspiracy would require the largest co-operation between nations and across millennia, without ANY discernable benefit for the co-conspirators?

Have you tried to examine the size of the "spinning curved ball" and exactly what altitude the curvature would be unmistakably obvious, with ANY number of 3D modeling programs by creating a sphere with enough faces to form a semblance of curve (not angular) and positioning a feature of off the surface that you can position a camera on top to "see" what the curve would look like from that altitude?

I'll post some quick renders to demonstrate.

ceattlestretch (53) · 7 years ago

Thanks for your response,

The lunar eclipse is on my list of things I need to examine, seems to be used by both sides of the argument a lot.

As far as the scope is concerned, I’ve spent an equal amount of time examining my own jaded psychology. You need to ask yourself about the truth & representation of the death of jfk, the moon trips, the twin towers & numerous other events. If you believe the main media story on those, probably not gonna get anywhere with a flat earth. However if you see problems with all of those things why would you trust other giant things requiring a leap of faith, that in my view contradict physical experience.

Also the unheard of peace regarding the Antarctica treaty is strange. They also get a lot of important traffic there.

There are alternate explanations for planets & retrograde motions that make more logical sense to me. I’ll find some links for that & a lunar eclipse. Thy are all theoretical models

Would love to see any good 3D modeling

baah (61) · 7 years ago (edited)

Unfortunately, there are no 3D model representations that posit a flat earth with a lunar eclipse without things such as an INSANELY HUGE, yet invisible object that despite being invisible, creates the shadow/eclipse of the moon.

To argue that a conspiracy that spans millennia and has absolutely not one discernable objective for the perpetrators of the conspiracy, let alone advantage and to relate it to other conspiracies that both have numerous motives and plenty of evidence from whistleblowers while the enormity of the flat earth conspiracy has no such thing and we are to believe it's been much more successful than these lesser and more regionally limited conspiracies is to fly in the face of all that is reasonable and logical, especially considering the numerous collaborations that would be required in countless fields, the enormity of which would require almost every single professional in the world to be in on it.

To put it even more plainly, the fact that you can observe the spinning globe A: the moon, and the other spinning globe B: the sun with any store-bought telescope and filters and you can predict with utmost precision things such as solar eclipses and lunar eclipses as have countless civilizations, all based on a heliocentric model, would mean that the conspiracy is so grand that forces out there in the universe are literally toying with our perceptions for absolutely no discernable reason IN tandem with an insurmountable conspiracy that spans countless cultures and millenia amidst our own people, for there is no other explanation for those things.

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flatenough (33) · 7 years ago

Looking at the sky to measure the Earth is irrelevant: EVERYTHING in modern astronomy about stars are assumptions. The facts are that all large bodies of water are level, the Earth has no measurable curvature and it does not accelerate.

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naturowlmystic (56) · 7 years ago

Could the earth be flat after all?

tobixen (62) · 7 years ago

I'm from the arctic Norway, we have midnight sun and the polar star is almost directly above our heads. Now I've moved a bit south and there is no midnight sun and the polar star is clearly on the north of the sky. Such a simple observation is very trivially explained with the round earth theory, and very hard to explain with a flat earth theory.

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ceattlestretch (53) · 7 years ago

Much easier to explain on a ball, if the sun is 93,000,000 miles away, if it’s a much closer sun, as it appears to me, a plane explains just fine.

Why doesn’t the North Star ever move if we are moving 67,000mph around a giant fireball moving 483,000mph, in a galaxy moving 1,300,000 mph. Seems highly improbable

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ceattlestretch (53) · 7 years ago

Moving north & moving slower rotationally is a giant problem. As are rivers on a spinning ball & airplanes..... so many contradictions with a curved spinning ball & reality

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naturowlmystic (56) · 7 years ago

As I understand it (I'm no hydrologist mind you) hydrodynamic principles change with huge volume of water. Maybe that could account for different effects of movement?

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tobixen (62) · 7 years ago

I actually spent ten minutes of my life watching this now. That's ten minutes I'll never get back.

The question in the video is ... a plane is travelling from the equator, across the north pole and down on the other side of the planet during 24 hours. In the beginning of the trip, the plane will move with the spin of the planet and have much more speed than what it has over the north pole. What is causing the plane to slow down, and what is causing it to speed up again when going down on the other side? Also, what causes the plane to keep the curvature of the earth, and not fly out into space? Is the pilot constantly actively steering the plane down to follow the curvature and to the left to follow with the earths rotation?

The obvious answers are:

the plane is moving relatively to the atmosphere, and the atmosphere is following the earths rotation (due to friction), so it's the atmosphere that is "breaking" and "speeding" the airplane.
Gravity and atmosphere may seem like the two obvious answers to why the plane will follow the curvature and not fly out into space.

However, the questions "does the pilot actively need to steer to the left and down" seems outright silly from a practical point of view. A blindfolded person walking, steering a boat or (god forbid!) steering an airplane will not be able to steer straight for long, probably it won't take more than some few minutes before the person has done a 360 degree turn. A person or an autopilot navigating a plane or a ship has to constantly counter winds, waves, turbulence and currents - even the rotational direction of the propellor. A 360 degree turn during 24 hours? That's really a negligible adjustment. Same goes with the height and pitch of the airplane, it has to be trimmed and adjusted all the time. A 180 degrees change in pitch during 24 hours is also quite negligible.

"I've been playing pretty much flight simulators" - that's about the funniest "argument by authority" I've seen. :-)

ceattlestretch (53) · 7 years ago

The lack of difference in effect traveling in each direction & at different speeds along the variably rotating globe make it unbelievable to my logic & would require a huge leap of faith on my part to believe it. There are obvious standard answers to these questions, but they are unbelievable to my logic when I actually think about the supposed mega forces involved vs how everything actually calmly & universally works everywhere I’ve been on earth.

I like the video below more than the previous, if you want to see some autocad trig

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tobixen (62) · 7 years ago

The lack of difference in effect traveling in each direction & at different speeds along the variably rotating globe make it unbelievable to my logic & would require a huge leap of faith on my part to believe it.

When I was younger it felt like adults didn't grow older. I simply wasn't able to see it; the faces of my mother and my grandparents was after all the same every day, thus it was hard to accept that they hadn't always been like that, and that they eventually would grow older.

The same can be said about the effects of the spinning earth, they are there, but they are too small to be felt - and as said also quite negligible compared to the other forces acting on the airplane. If the earth would have been spinning very fast, then yes - the effect would have been more pronounced, but the earth is not spinning very fast. Yes, the rotation speed of the airplane is big compared to the speed of the airplane, but that doesn't count, it's outside the reference frame. The airspeed - the airplanes speed through the atmosphere - is constant.

Your weight is actually less at the equator than at the pole - the centifugal forces at the equator is 0.03 m/s^2 - not much compared to the gravity at 9.8 m/s^2. Due to the centrifugal forces the earth is also not completely spheric, but a bit squeezed out around equator. This makes a person on equator further away from the center of mass, which again causes the gravity to be less pronounced. This effect is slightly bigger than the centrifugal force. Source

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tobixen (62) · 7 years ago (edited)

Water can run uphill, for several reasons.

One is the Capillary Effect, which can be seen i.e. if you put a roll of toilet paper into a poodle. Even though only a small part of the toilet roll is submerged in the poodle, the whole role will get wet, the water will efficiently defy gravity and flow upwards.

Other reasons can be wind, pressure (water may flow weirdly under glaciers, and will easily run up to the bathroom at the top floor of an appartment building if the water tubes aren't leaking and the pressure is high enough), tidal forces and probably others.

ceattlestretch (53) · 7 years ago

Those are some good examples of water moving. But do they explain a 4000mile river that should have 1800 miles of curvature, 900 mile midpoint....

Also if the rotation & motion of the earth affect water? Shouldn’t we be able to perceive some differences in how water behaves at the 1000mph equator spin vs your much slower Norway spin? Don’t they seem universal?

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tobixen (62) · 7 years ago

The definition of "down" is given by Newton's laws on gravity, it's the direction towards the center of the globe, no matter the position of the globe. Hence a river originating at some high mountain and flowing towards the ocean will run "down" all the way even if the elevation of the mountain seems insignificant compared with the earths curvature.

The Coriolis forces are well-studied and well-understood and can be directly observed in weather patterns and ocean currents.

Contrary to popular belief, the Coriolis effect has very little to do with the vortexes formed when flushing the bathtub.

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ceattlestretch (53) · 7 years ago

The mysterious Coriolis forces seem to eat much more force than they expel. This is one of my main logical hurdles with a 1000mph spinning atmosphere.

Also if the rotation causes tidal currents in the ocean, I would expect rivers & lakes to be affected by the spin as well, but nada.

Streams on Mountains running downhill make perfect sense to me on a plane. Streams on mountains on spinning balls where gravity overcomes curvature but the spin has no effect on the stream, makes very little sense to me

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tobixen (62) · 7 years ago

Rivers and lakes also experience the same forces as the sea, but the coriolis forces are very week on smaller scales.

Tides and tidal currents are (in my world paradigm) caused by the moon and has nothing to do with the coreolis effect. (And the tidal energy is not magically created, eventually the moon is falling down due to the tidal forces).

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ceattlestretch (53) · 7 years ago

The Coriolis seems to be a selective magical force. Sometimes it explains a little tiny affect compared to the huge forces going on, sometimes it explains zero affect, despite constant forces.

The moon, like the Coriolis has selective affect on water. Lakes are completely unaffected by the moon, as are lakes completely unaffected by the supposed Coriolis forces. Same with every river & stream I’ve seen. My logic doesn’t allow me to believe in magical Coriolis. I’ve read dozens of supposed definitions & seen countless examples attempting to demonstrate & or prove the Coriolis & I see many many contradictions & missing affects.

My astronomy teacher back in 2000 was convinced we were losing the moon slowly. Seems many theoretical theories change over just a few decades. I used to think the evolution of knowledge was really interesting. Now it looks like mathematical ass covering

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tobixen (62) · 7 years ago

The moon, like the Coriolis has selective affect on water. Lakes are completely unaffected by the moon, as are lakes completely unaffected by the supposed Coriolis forces.

According to https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/gltides.html there is a 5 cm difference in the great lakes due to true tidal forces.

It's not "selective", it's just about size and mass. All the water in the great lakes is like a drop compared to all the water in the world oceans.

Distance is also very much relevant. The water doesn't grow or shrink, the sea is rising somewhere while it's ebbing somewhere else. Tides are there because the moons gravity force on the water is different at different places on the earth. It's not so much of a difference at different points of the great lakes. Same goes with the Coreolis effect. Of course it acts on rivers as well, but what do you expect from a small force acting on a river? The force pulling it down to the sea is much stronger.

Any astronomy teacher teaching that the moon is disappearing into space should find another job, even if it was 18 years ago. The moon is getting clsoer to the earth over time, and this has been known for at least a century if not three.

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zyx066 (72) · 7 years ago

Yo dudes! I know this video! So stupid I totally forgot this one, even after @naturowlmystic asked me if I knew about the story that water remembers flowers... Thanks for refreshing my memory on that @naturowlmystic and @movingman!! :-)

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naturowlmystic (56) · 7 years ago

Nice!!!

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movingman (69) · 7 years ago

AH YOU FUCKIN' FOUND IT!!!!!! It wasn't just a dream or a trip onetime!!

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naturowlmystic (56) · 7 years ago (edited)

Yeah man! Thank you so much for turning me on to this. So so sick

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movingman (69) · 7 years ago

Resteemed it! Fuckin awsome, where was it?!

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naturowlmystic (56) · 7 years ago

I just turned into "Stoner child mode" and searched Google vids for "water, memory, flower" first one that popped up. There's a longer 40 something minute version too but it's the end of the month and the Internet has owed way down haha

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naturowlmystic (56) · 7 years ago

And thanks for the resteem homie! It's much appreciated!

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movingman (69) · 7 years ago

Just watched it and it wasn't the same clip but still perfect evidence! And im happy that its now on Steemit!

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naturowlmystic (56) · 7 years ago

That means there's more!! I plan on writing about water tonight if the Internet will let me and I'll see what else I can dig up. 😉😉😉

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