Can Your Witness Vote Really Make a Difference? See for yourself. (Part 2)

in witness-category •  6 years ago 

About 10 days ago I wrote a post with some stats and figures about witness votes for "dead witnesses".

These are the relevant figures in that post:

51,895 votes are cast for inactive witnesses (dead witnesses).

= a grand total of 202,368 MV worth of votes

&

26,009 Steemians voting on dead witnesses.


Link to the post:

Can Your Witness Vote Really Make a Difference? See for yourself.


Today the relevant figure is:

187,862 MV

=

14,506 MV votes that are no longer on "dead witnesses".


Was this a result of the post from 10 days ago "tagging the 26,009 Steemians"?

idk, maybe that had a little something to do with this.

Maybe not.

Really isn't all that relevant or worth mentioning, in respect to the existing number of votes and SP/MV going to dead witnesses.


Was this effort of mine a failure?

idk.

Is the glass half full or half empty?

All depends I guess on what the goals of this effort were.

Doesn't it!


Here is the punchline after all this number crunching, which I admit, the bulk of it was in that week leading up to the original post from ten days ago.

Today was a piece of cake compared to the info I felt was needed for the original post and to be frank about it i don't see any point in listing names or individual votes from then to today. Anyone can check Steemd of any Steemian and check it out.

The real punchline isn't necessarily the numbers of some 200,000 MV of votes to dead witnesses.

Some may think it is, as the highest individual active voter who literally is deciding (can decide) on 30 of the positions of active witnesses does so with some 18,507 MV.

Yes, with one tenth of the SP/MV one voter decides on the governance of Steem.

So 200,000 MV worth of votes, ten times what the key voter who is the deciding factor for the 30 witness voted on by that account is definitely not a number to ignore.

At least, not in my opinion.


I have in the past approached some of the issues in reference to the flaws in our voting system.

In that post I was more so relaying the fact that people tend to die and that our witness votes are valid til "infinity", which is not really a logical thing, no matter what angle one looks at if from.

If anyone is interested in that post, here is the link:

Broken Witness Voting System!

But not to underestimate the message in that post and apply the same principle on votes that have been cast to dead witnesses, without going into any of the calculations of votes cast by dead people for living witnesses, there is a once again, based on the current figures more than good reason to believe how a good portion of the 200,000MV of witness votes for dead witnesses could be from dead voters.

May they RIP.

God bless their souls.


Now, what I am going to state is not going to be to the liking of some, but any voting system in the history of mankind in which "dead peoples votes" were/are counted for current "elections" was not looked upon favourably.

I mean, seriously, without any sarcasm or whatever else anyone may read out of this, but where in any professional society, business or nation has anyone ever considered an election of governance in which dead voters voted = fair and reasonable. (rhetorical question, hence why there is no question mark).

I won't go into what this portrays, as it won't be nice.

So, rather than go into any descriptive texts of those who have used dead voters to decide upon their governance through the course of man kinds history, I shall leave it to you, the reader to think about it and consider just how important this really is.

Without any unnecessary drama or sarcasm or anything else that may get anyone out there "upset".

All I am stating is that this is more than important.

Based upon the figures and facts it is not a potential issue, it is a current issue, which can only get worse by the day because as is commonly known our bodies shall one day be clinically dead.


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@jackmiller

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@jackmiller oh wow I need to go through my witness votes and check to see if they are on the dead witness page... heard this on #pypt

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Perhaps we need an expiry date on witness votes. So if an account hasn’t had any posts for 90 days their witness votes expire.

I'm not sure what our governance would accept as a fair and reasonable solution, however one idea that I proposed was:

Solution:

Add a ticker to the Witness votes and to the Proxy.

i.e. either a 180 day or 365 day timer (whatever the top20 witnesses/governance agree upon)

When an owner of Steem (in Steempower) votes or sets a proxy, the code changes from "0" to "1" and automatically sets off a countdown timer (ticker).

Once that timer hits 00:00:00 the "1" automatically goes back to a "0" on the witness vote/proxy.

ref: Broken Witness Voting System!

It is definitely in our best interests to ensure this issue is taken care of sooner than later.

Yes you're previous post was helpful in getting me to redo my witness votes👍

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Wonder how many of those votes for dead witnesses are from dead/dormant/inactive accounts too.

Any thoughts of having your votes time out after a period of time. You have to go in every 90 days and reaffirm your witness votes? This might keep users more engaged with voting for those they think are doing a good job.

You know I appriciated your latest post and teminder to correct my Witness votes 😉👍
The votes are important and its our way to give back for all Hard work you guys do. So worth it.
Thank you for doing all you do and I still have corrections to do... Want to do good... Lol

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It took me a week to react. Don't be hard on us, the other latecomers and me, or on yourself. You did a really great job here. We're just trying to catch up!

"Bravo!" to you for following-up with this issue, as I think it is important and the "14,506 MV votes that are no longer on 'dead witnesses'" is certainly a good start! Also thanks for keeping us updated on PYPT about this! 🙌

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I'd like to know which witnesses are against EIP, and vote for them. The voluntary polling has seen too-low turnout.

Also, I think witness voting should trigger as a pop-up once a year at least. It should include a reminder of what disabled witnesses you're voting, and if possible, a link to a page where witnesses make their positions known on subjects at hand.

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"a link to a page where witnesses make their positions known on subjects at hand."

= @witnesspage

a little thing I put together where all posts from witnesses using the relevant witness tags:

witness
witness-category
or
witness-update

are resteemed.

So that all the relevant witness posts from our witnesses are available in one place and if a person likes, they can just follow that one account instead of following 100+ witnesses.

Some people like it, a lot can be seen and learned from it, no matter what all angles you look at it!

as for EIP, I can't grasp the fact that our priorities have shifted back to something that was done in 2017 with HF19, instead of putting all efforts into SMTs, especially after HF20 set the path for SMTs and an almost infinite economy for our Steem ecosystem.

So, to me, I am literally lost for words when it comes to what all is going on.

We seem to have strayed off the path that were on, our vision has been blurred by things that would be totally obsolete once the SMTs are necessary for any front end to operate.

So yeah, don't ask me mate, I'm just as confused, if not even more than most of us out there in this deep blue!

Cheers.

So, you would be a witness to vote for if I'm against EIP in HF21, yeah?

I am a Steemian who can-t understand why we are spending so much of our energy and time that will never be returned, because every second that passes is gone for ever, on something that can be literally fixed after we issue SMTs.

Once we have given the world the opportunity to tokenize its business dealings, to literally use an open an transparent blockchain that just keeps on giving (ref HF20) we can concentrate on making sure that ALL people on this earth can go ahead and do what they feel is best for them, no matter if that be 50/50 or 90/10 or 10/90, without disrupting any aspect of our Steem economy, but in fact contributing to it.

I seriously don't get it, we had/have a vision, yet we stayed from that path.

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