Take a look at how the top 120 active witnesses have fared in the past week.
Why I am doing this?
We like to see witnesses taking part and engaging with the community. Someone said the other day... in a comment I can no longer find :P
The table below is the same format as the one I use to measure engagement and selflessness in the weekly post, which has received 498 comments and 603 views since Sunday.
The master list is taken from here: https://steemian.info/witnesses
A little bit of research has been done to try and find the 'main' accounts doing the engaging that are related to the witness account.
Many caveats
This data only assesses Blockchain engagement and loveliness and does not include:
- witnesses that haven't written a word on the Blockchain in the past week
- counseling sessions on discord
- promotional event headline speeches
- Shilling STEEM elsewhere on social media
- Lines of code written in the past week on a dazzling new app
- Works spoken in Vlogs
- Words spoken on the phone to other witnesses who are crapping their pants because their node is down and they dunno what to do
- Comment text, up-votes, self-votes made by accounts not on this list (alternate witness accounts)
This data only assesses Blockchain engagement and loveliness but does include:
- Comment text not manually written (e.g. steemitboard awards, jerrybanfield bid-bot thank you message
- Up-votes not manually given (utopian-io votes, good-karma via eSteem application)
- Data for the past 7 days
So basically this list is not perfect, but hopefully a reasonable indication witness engagement over the past week.
I have highlighted 'teams' of people which together form one witness account. At present they are:
exyle/s3rg3/eqko/bennierex = blockbrothers
sircork/rhondak/beanz = sircork
abh12345/paulag = steemcommunity
If you have corrections to the list, please let me know.
KEY:
- Posts (P)
- Comments - number of (C)
- Comments - replies to replies - depth > 2 (C R) (new this week)
- Comments - length in characters (C L)
- Witness votes (W)
- Up-votes to others (V)
- Unique account Up-votes (U V)
- Self-votes - a small minus score for this one sorry! (S V)
- Down votes - (D V)
The Witness Engagement Table
Data snapshot taken at 19/4/2018 10:30am UTC from steemsql by @arcange
But what does it mean?!
Those who take part in my weekly engagement league have an advantage here, but the KEY above the table should help.
As mentioned, a crap looking score for a witness on this least may not mean they are actually that. This witness could be busy coding away, or being very active and engaging on discord.
Also, a good looking score may also not mean the witness is awesome - programmed votes, bid-bot votes, and auto comments should be considered.
This is just one angle into engagement!
A little analysis and opinion
steemitboard, arcange, utopian-io, good-karma, steem-bounty) and jerrybanfield (and perhaps more) give both manual and programmed comments or up-votes, or both
The average 'SCORE' without the top 3 included is 446
The top 10 writers of comments further than level 2 in a comment thread
(e.g Post-comment1-comment2-we are here)
- Well done to the Witnesses with a positive score!
What do you think?
Would you, as a non-witness or a witness, like to see this list each week?
What do you think of the data you see?
Is engagement here on the blockchain important to you?
Could I make this post/list more useful?
Thanks you for your time
Asher @abh12345
I am half of the @steemcommunity witness, find out more about our project here.
Actually maybe you do need to rejig the calculations - I just read (this post)[https://steemit.com/news/@ura-soul/steem-ocean-inspires-adamkokesh-to-self-upvote-less-and-to-distribute-his-0-5-million-steem-delegation-more-widely-or-steem] by @ura-soul about how he persuaded Adam Kokesh to stop self-upvoting so much, and yet he gets a score of -5000 above.
I mean I know you say the scores don't measure everything, but it just doesn't seem right that someone can achieve something like that and then end up in the conference league!
Again, unless I'm missing something. I may have to make that phrase part of my strap-line...
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Hey man,
wow this is a cool way to look at witnesses. Super happy to see steem-bounty be in the top 10! BTW this witness is run by "@knircky" and "@famunger"
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Thank you! :D
I run the same report each week for 300 Steemians in the opt-in league and thought I wonder what it looks like for Witnesses.
I will update the report to include both your names shortly - thanks for the information and support!
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Thank you very much! (and I can confirm the @knircky and @famunger accounts here as well.
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I am ready with my vote for you
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Those are not actually their witnesses, if I am not mistaken. They are a team who run a witness called @steem-bounty . I am pretty sure the above votes on your screen shot are going to no witness right now. The system lets you put in any name, which is a bug it should not allow. You should only be able to vote for accounts operating a functional witness node. In this case, not the two guys themselves, but their team witness account @steem-bounty.
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I like your hard work about witnesses.I think you should be on top because what i am seeing is you have given replies to others comments which very few people does :)
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Thank you :)
I do see engagement as an important part of everyone's Steem experience and so I'm happy to be right up there with the 'bot respondents' :)
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Well. I don't consider other channels like discord important. Neither other channels like Facebook or YouTube. I look up on it like a diversion for those who get paid to get THIS channel working. I find their fascination for (centralized) to be a reason to unvote.
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I take your point, but do think there is value in both supporting people in discord, and 'shilling' STEEM out to the masses on the other social networks.
Engagement with a goal to retain users should also be pretty high on the list though too. Cheers!
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Shilling is not in my vocabulary😇
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ha!
It wasn't in mine until timcliff made it so :D
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The info has some value but the score is easy to game and not very meaningful. I could probably get to the top of the list with voting 0.1% on as much unique authors as possible. At least that's what Good-Karma's stats seems to show.
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I'll be watching your game @teamsteem!
The data does require some knowledge of these accounts I think. Many witnesses should be aware that for example, good-karma votes for the first post/comment created each day by a user of the eSteem app, and steemitboard gives out many comments each day automatically.
This is why I picked the comments > 2 deep in a thread as an example of true engagement.
I agree though, numbers can be gamed and presented with a slant to alter how they look.
Worth a shot though I think.
Good to see you really getting stuck into Dlive, seems that you are having a great time!
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Oh man I was looking for myself in that table but didn't think I'd be that high up. Definitely seeing gaps in what I'm doing, particularly the range of curation. Will endeavor to do better.
I bet some will say well the effort is elsewhere: github, youtube, chats, etc but at the end of the day, we have to be users of the platform we process for. That's all there is.
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Hey there!
Thanks for dropping by, I hope you found the data of some use 😊
There is certainly much more with regards to engagement than what is presented here, worth a shot though I guess. Cheers!
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I think, as with anything, this is one facet that needs to be calculated and cut in polishing a gem. I'm not 100% sure why we're not included on there as a team (I commented all of five times last week is likely part of it), but I can also say with some pretty serious certainty that we'd likely score very low; managing the communities we do alongside Steem.Chat, coupled with the intense pressure in the top twenty to produce the best tools, the biggest voting spread contributions, help for as many users as possible, and generally a wide spread of things depending solely on which person you ask when the moon is in any specific phase... it's all stacked against minnow witnesses at ANY ranking. I personally (and Jeff also) have really sacrificed our posting, which is pretty logical given the other requirements and rewards that come with the position. A lot of the time I can sneak out to vote the work I love, but not much more than that unless it really strikes me and I have a brief moment of quiet. I know this is held against us in many ways, which is fair, but hard, as behind the scenes there are a lot of us who basically live this chain.
I always do appreciate these jumping off points for conversation though, because as always becomes apparent from the comments, everyone has wildly different interpretations of the same data — which is the whole point of collecting and presenting it.
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Hey :)
Thanks a lot for your input - Mr Cork did point out your absence, and looking at your interactions I cant work out why - so the first thing is to check the code again.
I am aware, although not possibly to the extent, that folks like yourself are heavily involved with Steemit, and 'living this chain', and just not having the hours in the day to add to the blocks being written.
I've really tried to list the caveats (and feel free to add your own as they will appear every week) that make this data pull so open to interpretation. It's just not quantifiable what you, and many others do behind the scenes here.
Your feedback is appreciated, and I shall work on all the feedback given for the next time.
Again, from developers to the mods and managers burning the candle on discord, this is just a tiny porthole view into the work being done.
Thank you :D
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It's one of those things I feel keenly as a creative myself; I look at what I was able to do as I got started on the platform, and what I do now — and the shift as it's evolved with witnessing and community work. I think you're not wrong at all, on a lot of levels. Does my witness rank look as good when compared to say, my reputation, or my account worth? (I've never powered down, and the witness under Jeff's account powers down to pay server and development bills/my account, which is something we should have thought of, but derp, live and learn). If people new to the platform can't easily find witness info, then no, it probably doesn't, and that's an opportunity to improve on, and a whole other kettle of fish entirely when it comes to the fact that I'm still a minnow trying to hustle here like everyone else.
I look at accounts like yours, which balance original posts with something like a formulaic, weekly series (this is not knocking the data work behind them) and wonder if I should be striving to produce something like that to help me pump some of these numbers up. Able to be counted on for value but produced more easily (and again, this sounds offensive, but I swear it isn't) than something like say original art and photography or longform essays. For me personally, I don't have something I can highlight or provide in that way that would be valuable, so it's not a trade off worth it to others enough for it to be worth it to me. But I'm keenly aware that there are many people who have no idea I'm likely the first female witness/one of the first publicized partnerships/a witness at all/anyone who does anything of import, and I think that speaks to having to do a better job according to ALL metrics, and not just the ones I've fallen into that I personally find valuable and comfortable. This is where analyses like yours really underscore where I'm failing in some ways. Anything I want people to know here, I have to prove with actions that are traceable, or by promoting myself. Without either of those, I don't get to tell other people what they should think about me or my work.
(hahah, on the plus side, this is two comments deep for next week, LMAO)
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Awesome text above! :D
You hit on many points, in not very many paragraphs - just two monsters, and I've re-read this 3/4 times now to try and pick out the areas to respond!
As much as I value discord and DM chat to help and solve those issues you need instant responses for, to build a community and friendships, in my honest opinion, they also sidetrack people who can potentially 'waste' time in a virtual room.
Before the whole of discord shits on me for saying that.... In 2004 I found internet video chat rooms, got quickly involved, got a server up (at over $1000 a month due to the hefty BW of streaming 100's of cams to 100's of people), and moderated/hung out there pretty much solidly for 6/7 years. So much time spent there helping people out with life issues, keeping the room free of idiots (that's a lot of camera checking!), and meetings regarding what do do next to keep the place fun.
When I found out about discord, I reluctantly went to the MSP first. I really didn't want to, it is a huge case of 'been there done that'. Being drawn away from the financial value areas, is not what I seek in my 40th year. And so, when I think about room moderators and greeters and all these roles, there is a part of me that wants to pull them out of discord, and get them writing comments and posts here - here is where everyone has the potential to see you, this is where we can reward you directly :)
dtube/utopian/dlive/sndbox - they got the SP - so it makes sense to take a look at where you can contribute there. Hence my analyses and snorkeling videos :) You can be the best server admin in the world, but A) we cant see that and B) 99% of people here don't care so much for that :)
This is a waffle for me, i'm usually much more direct...
Honestly, I think you could be served better (as far as rep and cash) with a shift in focus. But If you find the value and comfort in what you are doing, then that's where you should be :)
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In a separate comment, I listed you guys and many others thought/or known to be teams like curie, ocd,adsactly, etc, which in each case might be operated by a single person, but are labelled as community (thus team in some senses) witnesses.
As for being busy 100% of the time? Amen. You are. Many of us are.
I also feel like the discord work in what was rightfully called "counseling sessions" in the OP, which we have both done in the past year (like many others like us) is sometimes the only thing keeping ANYBODY here anymore.
Hell, in some cases in there, we do the real work on the social/cultural environment that cannot be done here on the chain at large. I personally know, we have both faced suicidal people, self harming people, sociopaths, newbies with endless questions, spammers, stalkers, bitchers, ragers and quitters. We counsel, teach, advise, educate, reform, resolve, redirect, and reengage users every single day out there in the 'cords.
It's some of the most vital work that gets done here, if you ask me. I'm sure high profile leaders and witnesses who spend any time in there at all will have to agree. The platform has no cohesion without the steem.chat and discord real time interaction and relationships formed in communities.
You can tell from comments who spends time in the chat rooms and who doesn't. Usually by what they think they know about the place, or when they actually dismiss those places as unimportant while simultaneously bitching about having no followers or visibility.
You do a ton. FollowBTCnews does too. Luckily for US, in all three cases, we ARE engaged, AND doing the work of building nodes, tools, and software and sites in your case, and charities and streaming network and empowering people and voices with them, while my peers Rhonda and Beanz do similar work in their own communities, The Writers Block, SteemShelves and Steem House and Voices of the Underground, in our case.
We not only engage, but you and FBTCN and us three, build reasons to engage and methods to be engaged with others, and our community presences? Wear us out, leave us sleepless and stressed and sometimes cause missed opportunities for ourselves.
Thats what real witnesses do, and what minnow witnesses have to do harder, though it seems underappreciated in the long run, it's still the right things to do.
right?
Please tell me we aren't wasting our time....
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Can you post this as html tables in the future please @abh12345 ? I'd like to be able to cut and paste the data into a sheet for sorting, and such. Having it as a graphic makes it pretty unwieldy to search it for names with ctrl-f or use in a sheet for column sorting.
thanks
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I sure can. This could well look a bit lengthy, and in the past when i've tried to list 7/8/9 columns the condenser has done me a wrong'un and chopped a few off.
Next time, top 150 active, more complete groupings of teams, html + image of list.
Cheers!
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Maybe you can also paste the data into a google doc and share the link?
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Nice idea 😁 Then I can have a fat table full of columns too.
Will add it to the to-do list, thanks!
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Lol why do i feel like you were drooling and laughing maniacally when you wrote "fat table of columns " ??? Lol
You like big sheets and yiu can not lie?
@spicyshai and i were planning to write the gender survey btw
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haha!
Got to be careful or this thread could go down the toilet quickly - or perhaps not, dem fat sheeets!
Gender survey cool, snap to it then! :D
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Only if it won't break your back :D
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Maybe self-upvoting as a penalty should be removed with regards to strict engagement, but then, it shouldn't be counted as upvoting, because it isn't engagement either. If then, your intent is to eliminate the penalty while reducing the number of upvotes by it, sounds fine with me.
Otherwise, I'm not sure what you mean. As it is, it's tough to even call self-upvoting helpful to curation depending on when it it is cast, and I would imagine most of it is immediate thus going all to the author.
As to the relevance and usefulness of this list.
Personally, I like the idea of at least a handful of witnesses engaging with the "little people" in meaningful and constructive ways, getting their fingers on the pulse of the community and what's going on, as opposed to just being devs locked away somewhere working on who knows and cares what but that they find horribly important and relevant by the sheer brilliance of their coding skills.
Besides, the whole term 'witness' strikes me as being a misnomer if no one is witnessing anything, but simply working on whatever the heck they think is best for the rest of humanity. Despite what it may sound like, I truly do not think about such folks if they're not brought up or deigning to grace us with their presence with a snarky comment. Out of sight, out of mind.
I only have Discord for GINAbot, so I'm not privy to all that goes on there. Nor am I sure I want to be. The three times I went into the general chat to try to get some information the conversations were immediately offputting. As far as reaching individuals on Discord for answers, I've had more luck in the comments here than I have there. Perhaps I've not been talking to the right people.
I don't use the other apps on the STEEM blockchain with any great regularity (busy every now and then), so I can't speak to the relevance of witness engagement via app development. The only very useful app I've discovered that provides info about activity on the blockchain that is user friendly, fast and nearly always working is steemworld by steemchiller, and he's not a witness.
Pulling personal information from the database like you do is very useful to me because it's just that—personal. It shows me what I'm doing. Much of what others are pulling on a daily basis in the macro is not as useful to me because there's generally little analysis of what it means beyond the obvious and in most cases there's no solutions offered or then any consensus on solutions if problems presented by the data exist. So, what am I doing or can I do with the information? Not a whole lot.
If nothing else, I like seeing the comments by the few who are witnesses who don't appear to be very comfortable with it. Makes me wonder why. If it's no big deal, why comment. If their dev work is so important, why are they taking time away to comment? Why seem to be taking it personal? If they are doing something worthwhile, who cares what others are doing, or what they say about them?
Or does that it mean it does matter? Not sure. Kind of confused now. :)
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Well I thoroughly enjoyed reading this comment :)
When you are delivering apps of genuine quality (Vessel by @jesta), there is no mistaking where you should be. When you are customizing open source bid-bot code and claiming to be too busy to attend to the replies to your own posts, where you are encouraging open discussion (and then don't reply), well...
Yeah. My tongue is held, until my next post perhaps.
Thanks :)
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Ah, man! Okay. Since you've got a "making friends and influencing people" series of posts going, I guess I can wait a little bit. :)
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It is good to dig up these stats! I still have 20 witness spots to fill and this will make it easier!
Thx
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Cheers :)
It's only on of the angles to view how a witness is contributing - many spend their time coding, managing chat channels, etc and I wouldn't count this list as the be all and end all.
Saying that, it's a nice feeling for me to be up near the top! :D
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I assume that you didn’t check this before posting 😂!
I do know that every witness has its place on the blockchain and all are contributing in their own way!
But this will have some influence on my voting behavior cause I do find engagement important!
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awesome report @abh12345 especially because we crush it on engagement. Delighted to see both of use as @steemcommunity in the top of these leagues. @steemitboard post via script or bot or something so I think they should lose points for that.
Many of the witnesses spend a lot of time on development work, and those in the top 20 also spend a lot of time on server tech stuff leaving them less free to engage.
So I guess its up to the people of steemit to decide what it is they want from their witnesses as some would argue they provide a stable system and thats their contribution.
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Thank you @paulag :D
I decided not to change the points system, but highlighted the accounts that produce a lot of auto comments and votes.
Totally - We bring the numbers, the people decide :)
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I may agree that the number of comments should not be the main thing to focus on.
Anyway, there is a lot of work behind @Steemitboard and its notifications via comments are really appreciated by users. In return, @steemitboard receives thousands of responses, full of recognition from users. People feel motivated and encouraged to continue their experience on Steemit.
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I think it's a great starting point, since you've included all the caveats which are just impossible to measure!
You could maybe divide upvotes to others by SP as this is at least partly a function of how rich someone is? Or compensate for this is someway?
As long as you're clear about the limitations which you are I think it's useful.
I didn't realise you (or @PaulaG) were witnesses, I'll give you both a vote.
While Im here - what's yr op. on the @steembasicincome project? Im looking into it thinking its great!
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Thanks very much!
@steemcommunity is a shared witness account owned by us both. We've only been going a few weeks but I think we've started out pretty good.
I do have a few 'shares' in SBI, it could be a reasonable long term initiative for sure - certainly has the right name to attract interest!
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Oh ok - so neither of you run an individual witness account as such: you run one server between the two of you? Is that right? (I'm not that technical!)
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Yes just the one - @steemcommunity :)
Sharing the 'work', doubling the output!
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Some added positive weight for the usage of a witness-category tag when they post a blog in some manner. I feel for a witness is it rather important for them to keep the community updated somewhat regularly on what they are doing as their form of engagement. Far more than just a normal post.
Other than that and some clear auto reply’s/scripts running that seem to be favoring automation over real human engagement. I can see this being another excellent data points people use when trying to determine who to vote for.
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Very good idea re:tags! I like that and will look to include 👍🏾
Plenty of automation going on near the top - I'm aware who - should I be making that clearer?
Thanks!
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Would an asterisk next to their score/name be consider too harsh? With how few comments many of these people are making per week you almost think they were not using steemit at all compared to some of the others. Where in reality that might not be the case. Otherwise is the automation easy enough for you to catch most of it and remove it from their scores?
With that said should human engagement vs bot engagement matter? Some of these witness are using automation to warn users of a phishing attempt, or achievement, or other stuff as well. I guess this would be further how do you wish to define “witness engagement.” Is it just enough that they are attempting to do something overall for the platform or does it need a more human element to it?
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Indeed :)
This is why i don't wish to remove/amend/asterisk anything if I can help it. I would rather have notes accompanying the list stating that this is what these accounts do - bot/spamfighter/awardgiver etc.
A question for each individual visiting the numbers I think :)
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Or you know have a much better way of going about it then I was thinking :)
That seems like a fair way to go about it.
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Brilliant post! As a follower of your weekly Curation & Engagement Leagues post, I am enthused to see this post.
Understandably, not all the witnesses are social butterflies (love that you added all the caveats!) Many developers are passionate about coding and not chatting, so I wouldn't ding them simply for not being on the top of this list. However, your list gives us non-witnesses a good perspective on the witnesses' level of activity here on the platform. If they are not actively developing or engaging within the community, what are they doing? Why should we support a witness simply because the person has longevity on this platform or supporters with a gazillion SP?
As always, appreciate you taking the time to compile this list. I would love this compilation as an ongoing post of yours. Have a great day Asher!
P.S. I'm not surprised to see the two powerhouse of @steemcommunity in the top rankings of engagement!
Edited: I see a particularly witness on the list that have many posts, but did not have many self-votes. Since some of these witnesses own bidbots, I wonder if it would be helpful to know if any of them used their own services to say..boost their page to trending in the payout earnings of $1,000+? I know @doomsdaychassis would love this particular stats.
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Finally got round to this one :)
In short, we shouldn't :)
Off the top of my head, I don't see any of the names above doing this, but I'm ok with being corrected.
It would be nice to present a sheet each week with a myriad of information, but the compilation of this would take a lot of time - not ruling out 'total bot sends' yet though.
Thanks for the detailed reply here and for the others in this post also :)
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Would require more expenditure I have at the moment to make any correction. :) Perhaps a combined use of services, not just the one they own to boost themselves to trending.
A myriad of information could possibly enlighten us some more, but you have to factor in if people would take the time to look at all the stats? Weigh if those hours you take to provide the analysis will make a difference for the readers? Time is a valuable commodity. The stats above are already time-consuming and I greatly appreciate it. :)
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just gotta poke the bear don't ya? lol
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How else are you to get any honey from this bee? ;)
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Yes!
Please do it for top 150 witnesses. I'm at 139 position and I would like to see data for me too :)
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Ahh!
Sorry I chopped you off the list! I will amend it to 150 later. Thanks for the support on this one!
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This is an interesting one @abh12345. At first look I thought this was going to be very helpful but then when I looked more closely I found it not to as helpful as I thought. Sorry! 😢
I think the penalties for self voting skew the numbers too much such that it becomes a disadvantage for a witness to be posting. If some of the witnesses at the bottom of the table stopped posting and therefore self voting they would do much better.
That doesn't seem quite right to me.
Also. the fact that, what is essentially a bot, Steemitboard, is at the top of the table with no posts and primarily mostly automated comments, suggests to me that the data needs to be analysed in a different way.
I'm not sure how to change the weights but it would be good if there was some way to get an added score for posting perhaps so that the self voting doesn't have such a huge impact.
But, it sort of depends on the motivation of those that post I suppose. Do they post because they want to contribute that way, or so they can self vote, or to get publicity for their witness or maybe all of the above.
I don't know. I'm going round in circles now. Time to move on! 😁
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There is only so much transparency that Asher can provide @gillianpearce. I wouldn't bet everything on the self-vote column. What about individuals that don't self vote, but they sell their upvotes? Asher can't account for everything in his query.
Another key point, what about the individuals that have the SP to give an upvote to others above the 0.02 SBD threshold, but chooses not to do so? Their stats may look great in the "V" column (which @abh12345 does count in his league analysis), but should it count if it doesn't meet the minimum dust threshold to reward the individual being upvoted?
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I for one, delegate so much I don't even have a slider on my votes unless I go to busy, and I run so many communities, charity posts for my @YouAreHOPE Foundation, and so many others do, with fund raisers, donors, YAH Agents of HOPE making reporting posts on missions and so on, not to mention supporting my @SteemStarNetwork staff, and audiences that i run about 15-20% voting power all the time, and can never recover. So I vote like mad, and they are rarely a penny.
So there's that. But no one questions my engagement, because I'm literally available to anyone and everyone 24/7/365, with only brief 2 and 3 hour naps every couple days. No lie. Yes, that is insane, given I also am a VP of technology for a real world SaaS enterprise scale software company with massive international customers, but it's all I know to do with my time, as an old, worn out, single dude whose kids are grown and pesky ex-wives long gone. :)
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Interesting to find out more about you @sircork. you look way too young to have grown kids and "pesky ex-wives long gone". 😁
You certainly are very busy. Bit of an understatement that! 😂
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49 years, all earned the hard way.
Ever busy, ever vigilant, always watching, always listening.
As for you young lady, who got here about half as long ago as I did, you too, seem to be all over, I see you everywhere around here. You're doing it right. Keep it up!
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Aw. That's kind of you @sircork. especially the young lady bit! 😂
I'm still finding my way really. Trying to be OK with however I decide to play the game. Trying to balance life and Steemit and keep having fun.
It's early days but I've met some great people both online and face to face so I'm very curious as to where it all goes from here. 😍
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Focus on the balance. Don't turn into me :D
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Ha. ha. ha. There's not much chance of that @sircork!. I'm more of the "can't be assed type". Most of the time, if I moved much slower, I'd be comatose!
That's why Steemit has been quite good for me, getting me out of the house to take photographs and meet new people.
Where it's not good, unless I manage it, is adding yet more time spent in front of a computer screen.
Also, I'm not sleeping as well because I'm on the computer "chatting" late at night when normally I'd be in bed asleep or reading! 😁
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You have my witness vote with that awesome comment! :)
Kidding aside, you now have my witness vote. Our team has slowly been going through the list of witnesses to decide the witnesses we would like to support on here. There are so many that I personally like, but finding time to do our due diligence in researching is the challenging part.
I'm not familiar with steemstarnetwork, but I am familiar with @youarehope. There was a post made some weeks ago about students in Nigeria who couldn't complete their studies due to the tuition fees, and I remember your foundation donating a considerable amount to the cause. I sent in a small donation myself, but not much to make a difference.
So you (and your witness team) have my vote because I do see the community support online and off!
Personal note: SaaS! The world of the big IT league. :) How is an old, worn out, single dude whose kids are grown and pesky ex-wives long gone--note the plural factor :) able to function being a VP in the real world, witness on here, and with only 2 and 3 hour naps every couple days? I would collapse with exhaustion. I am already extending myself with adding steemit into my world. Some days I can comment and comment, others days, none at all.
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Lots of coffee and weed! :)
@YouAreHOPE Foundation has helped well over 1000 people around the world in disadvantaged economic conditions. We have provided food, medical attention, clothing, shoes, education supplies, building repairs, tuition and so much more, up to and including cleaning flooded villages up, rebuilding roads and treating for malaria bearing mosquitos. We have worked in 12 countries on 3 continents and we did it all on a shoestring budget of mostly minnow sized donations entirely on the transparent steem blockchain, fueled exclusively by steem and our fine generous steemitizens.
Sadly, only the smallest of us are donating and delegating. No whales seem to care about things that don't make them money like these terrible-for-the-platform's image bot and self voting and other long tail platform killers. I have never seen such short sighted "investors" ever in my 3 plus decades in technology career roles.
@SteemStarNetwork is a 24/7 livestreaming network built to give steemitizens yet another place to be seen and heard, lifting smaller voices to the world as far as we can! I also built MSP Waves then resigned to be more free of "community restrictions" holding back the work I could achieve with Waves.
So yeah, our team witness is about the people's voices. From SteemStar Network and YouAreHOPE (Help, Opportunity, Purpose & Empowerment) to my witness partner's RhondaK with The Writers Block, SteemShelves and SteemHouse Publishing to Beanz with Voices of the Underground and @Feminism, we are here to hear and help you be heard.
I'm 49. My daughter is 25. I was divorced twice. Once from baby momma after 14 years and then a rebound mistake that lasted about a month, kid you not. (we dated longer, but we cohabitated as actually married for less than 4 weeks. Am I proud? No. Well maybe. I got TWO girls to say yes, before one said no, 14 years later, and I realized my mistake about two more years after that on wife #2.
My life now is not nearly as exhausting as it was with either of them in the house for various reasons. LOL
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Hi @sircork. I know I am days behind with this reply. Better late than never! The nagging thought of how rude I am will remain if I don't at least reply. :)
I sympathize but I do understand (not saying I support it) the mentality of others not showing support. Not many whales are active on here and those that are, well, community support does not seem to be their priority. Especially if the event is not in their own backyard.
Have you seen this post by tarekadam giving a 300 steem donation for food/water/ meds for communities? Perhaps you or one of your teammate could write a contest post for a community you're helping? I don't know of any here in the States and wouldn't even have the time to write if I did (see how long it took me to reply). Just letting you know in case the contest is of interest.
https://steemit.com/donatesteem/@tarekadam/donatesteem-i-will-donate-300-steem-for-contest-to-buy-food-water-medicine
Sounds like an awesome team there!
As for your stats, only comment is on the rebounder. I've witnessed many similar stories with others. Perhaps the length is a bit longer than your 4 weeks, but the ending is usually the same with either no love between the two or it's only one-sided. Life! Finicky buggers.
Life may not be as exhausting without the gals, but then you went and threw steemit into the mix! ;)
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What an awesome reply @sircork! I think that you can add humble to your list of descriptors as well. In terms of engagement, you fair amazingly well according to Asher's numbers here, and that is something that I respect for sure. Thank you for all you do, for who you are, and I'm assuming for continuing in the same manner in the future...as long as you don't allow any other future "pesky ex-wives" to muddy the waters :)
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Well, there were two ex-wives and two failed engagements in my life. Between age 17 and now (49) so I guess I may have time for one more before I go, but I'll need time to sober up after. ;) If that won't humble you, nothing will.
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hahahaha you've been busy then, but with that track record, I'd say you have plenty of time to try again, and sober up again :) Thanks for the laugh! And it's very nice to "meet" you!
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Likewise! May all your witness encounters be casual, and your days be merry and bright!
See you in the steem!
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That's why I said "I think the scores in the witness table are much harder to sort out because there are so many more parameters than for bloggers." @beeyou
Many of those people may not even realise this is an issue. I had no idea the dust threshold existed until today.
I have decided to continue to spread my vote though, even if it doesn't count in monetary terms since I think it offers encouragement to have a comment voted upon. I will continue to do so with or without the league but I will also pay more attention to my VP and to making sure my favourite comments are upvoted to the 2c level.
No idea. That's up to @abh12345 😁
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Hi Gillian :)
Personally, I will be casting less votes. I would use a 1% vote to awknowledge reading a comment, but now I'll be voting at at least 2/3%, and less.
I'm not sure how best it will work for you with less SP. For the league, votes don't count much in score.
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ah ha @abh12345. That's exactly what I've been doing. 1% to ackknowledge and then 20% upvotes to make sure I'm giving at least 0.02c.
I'm really surprised that this issue has only just come to light. I think I might start mentioning it to a few people who regularly upvote my comments with less than 0.02c so they can choose to stop voting if they like. It seems a shame for them to "waste" their vote through lack of knowledge. 😢
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Don't be sorry!
I don't see it as a disadvantage to post, particularly if you refrain from self-voting some/all :)
The accounts that I am aware use code to vote/comment are listed, I did the ones near the top - which I think by looking at the numbers are quite obvious. And so you can just 'ignore' those, if you are looking at human engagement - that doesn't mean to say they shouldn't be considered for a witness vote, and the same is true for those at the bottom.
I could easily remove the self-voting figure from the SCORE, and just list the number if you think that would be better? I'm considering doing that for the league on the weekly post too - what do you think?
Cheers!
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Well that's an interesting conundrum @abh12345. The main reason I don't self vote is because of the league and because my vote was worth so little but now it's worth 11c at 100% given the rise in Steem. If you take penalities for self voting out of the equation I'll be very, very tempted.
I would say the majority of people self vote so I feel I'm losing out a bit by not doing so, especially with Steem rising. But at this point I don't want to risk my delegation.
I think the situation is different regarding witnesses and the league because witnesses are doing other stuff as well.
I think the scores in the witness table are much harder to sort out because there are so many more parameters than for bloggers.
Why are you thinking of removing the self-voting form the SCORE in the leagues? That's an interesting development. 😁
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This is the game you play :D
Top of the league wins 3 STEEM, and many of the top 10 (under 500 SP) have delegated SP.
Your vote is worth 11 cents? So 25 self votes a week is equal to winning the league? Or 10 self votes a week is equal to placing in the top 10?
I need to get some sort of kick out of spending 3 hours on a Sunday organising a post in which I give 3 peoples money away :)
p.s. I don't remove delegations for a few 'selfies' :)
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I hadn't actually done the maths @abh12345. Interesting.😁
Oh. The power. The power! 😂
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muhaha :D
Well this weekend will be the last before a week off, at that point you can self-vote away (or can you?) hehehe
Goodnight!
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Yeah but is this going to be a real week off @abh12345 or an Asher type of week off? 😂
Goodnight Indeed!
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Is "Steemitboard" even a witness? I don't recall seeing them on the lists I refer too.
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Good question @sircork. I rely on @abh12345 in these matters! 😂
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He/She/It is, in fact at #110, since I mostly only watch the top 100, I have overlooked it.
Not to mention I muted steemitboard and did the do not post link on like my 2cd day lol
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That explains why I've never seen it in the tables then @sircork. I've only noticed the top fifty when I've been adding ones in the little box lower down the page!
I haven't muted them because I'm desperate enough to want the o.oo1 they sometimes throw my way. 😂 Although I've learned to day that all vote totals that are less than 0.02 don't get paid out anyway. 😢
So I might mute them from now on.
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Please help us campaign for steemit inc to properly include at LEAST the top 100, if not all 250+ active witnesses on that page, as well as clearly indicating the "dead" ones, which are presently still there getting votes despite being, down, disabled or dead, for varying lengths of time each.
and send smart people who care, here: http://steemian.info/witnesses which is awesome, as is the rest of the site for newbs and advanced users alike. Good contribution there from @drakos, as its the second most visited site in my steemy link collection on a daily basis.
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Isn't "steemitboard" and "arcange" one in the same? or am I totally mixed up on that one?
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Well, if so he is footing the bill for two witnesses and one of them is losing money, which doesn't sound like the smart @arcange I know. He'd be better off just running one and capitalizing on his contributions that way. I mean it could be him, but it wouldn't make financial or witness campaign sense really for him to be both.
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@steemitboard is a "project" witness, aiming to reward user for their achievements on the platform and to help them grow with a win-win-win idea. More info on this here.
Let's say @steemitboard has its own self-organic grow and its witness is a small plus.
Indeed, I'm loosing some money with this project. I should make more promotion, but I have never been the best at campaigning. And my goals in life are not only around money. Fun and positive feedback from users bring some compensation ;)
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This is why I like you more than the other kids ;)
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Thank you for coming to my bumbling rescue @arcange :) and for clarifying the difference between you and @steemitboard. Your selfless attitude is a great one!
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It is good to know that some of the witnesses engage in the platform itself and comment and answer some of their followers.
Although there are some witnesses more active in steemchat and discord.
Would I not vote for someone that does not comment much no because they might be doing something else.
I do want them to be publishing their witness updates so we know what they are doing.
and maybe have some engagement by having AMA session posts that they respond to.
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Hey Mav
Good idea for the AMA post - I/we will definitely put one of those out at some point 👍🏾
I'm still undecided if this will happen weekly, or maybe just now and again - I've been given plenty of homework!
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Another fine post @abh12345, and it's nice to see that you and @paulag are "crushing it" when it comes to engagement (Yes, I read through the comments :). I know it's not the only determining factor when choosing witnesses, but I think it's pretty important to see which witnesses truly do have at least one hand engaged in the community.
Thanks again for being my proxy, but I do still keep informed and have got my eye on you buddy! Just kidding, I totally trust you, but I do think it's wise for me not to have my head buried in the sand just because you're doing the choosing for me.
Thanks again and nice job @steemcommunity!!
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Thanks Lynn!
Glad you've read through the comments, no need to repeat myself again then 😁
I think I've got 3 votes left, am happy with the choices at present, and have a couple in mind to add.
Happy to hear you are managing your time here and in the sunshine, now where is the reply this note should be under 😎
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And I hear that danielasori and Dave as partner are running too. Everyone seems to be getting in on it haha Seriously, I love that so many who care about engagement, the little guys, and the platform as a whole, like you and paulag, are jumping in the witness pool. It really does allow me to imagine this platform in a whole other, better light.
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I didn't want to edit my comment once again, so best to leave another comment.
How about the witnesses that may not self-vote, but they sell their vote? I was quite surprised to see an upvote once from a witness. I didn't even know he is a witness until later! Lol, needless to say, he won't be getting my witness vote!
If anyone cares to check, none of the witnesses our team support have SOLD a vote to us. They may have upvoted my post because they support my talented writing skills ;), but not due to any vote buying service.
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I'd need to cross-reference with the other list I made the other week :)
Engagement/Bid-bots/Vote-selling/self-voting %/Breakfast - anything else? :D :D
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Lol, nope, think you have it covered (for now). ;) Be sure to continue making time for breakfast!
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Phew, thanks!
I like the popular tags idea - see what the witnesses are talking about - this will appear at some point :)
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Thank you @abh12345 for this useful tool, I consider it like a compass for better understanding who to follow. It's been nice to know you too, in this period of my short steemian life I'm trying to orientate and explore the great communities and people here. I wish you can keep publishing this list as engagement is for me the engine and key of the steem echosystem. Moreover, minnows will be able to understand how they can make their steemit experience the best by creating meaningful relations with those that eventually may recognise their intrinsic value and foster them ✌️
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Hey :)
Thanks for your comments, I am glad you find the list to be of benefit, and I think I will continue publishing it each week.
Cheers!
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Yes.
It's a good indicator of the engagement with the community, but as you said it doesn't capture the rest of the work the witnesses are doing.
Absolutely, but I'm ready to give some witnesses a pass. There's so much to do and the day isn't getting any longer.
Yes, you could. As a newbie, I'm literally stumbling on who's who here. The improvement I'm suggesting is featuring a short bio of the witness deserving to be featured. What he/she does,... Something like The Witness of the Week. It's really hard to keep track on who's who and who's doing what.
A weekly update would be a great place to learn more about the steemit community.
ps- voted for yours and @paulag's witness. Cheers!
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Thank you for the vote and the suggestions above!
I'll look into creating a more complete post, without requesting time-sheets at the end of the day. Cheers!
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I will vote for steemcommunity as a witness, keep doing this
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Thank you!
I will look to add more information based on the above and switch a few things around, but will produce something similar in future. Cheers!
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Nice :)
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congrats my friend. from myself and @lynncoyle1
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Hi there @briancorteau
Thanks for taking a look at the post, best wishes to you.
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Another suggestion... highlight the "best" score in each column. Want to know who led comments? thats the guy with a yellow highlight in the comments column, etc...
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Sounds like a plan. More to do
For the time then!
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Lol i didn't know you were a witness damn my mistake i have to vote right now :D
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Thank you @blazing! :D @steemcommunity it is.
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exyle/s3rg3/eqko/bennierex = blockbrothers
sircork/rhondak/beanz = sircork
abh12345/paulag = steemcommunity
Top of mind this leaves out @buildteam, @adsactly, @curie, @ocd-witness, @followbtcnews / @crimsonclad, and probably a bunch more. I am not looking at a list here, just going on top of mind groups witnesses and teams.
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Cheers for this, I'll be sorting out a 'tighter' list from the comments i've been handed, either with an edit here or next time around.
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I really like the sound of this challenge @steemcommunity. It seems like a great way to get to know some witnesses better. It's a shame it's not required of all witnesses but then I suppose we wouldn't be decentralised.
Hopefully it will help us make more informed decisions about witnesses. Even one who doesn't respond after being tagged will tell us something!
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Only as far as what they contribute on - how they contribute 'to' is harder to measure I guess.
Thanks for your comments!
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I think it's very useful, and the work you're doing has helped me decide some of my witness votes (several of which are still unclaimed, ahem).
The only thing I might add is data from alternate accounts, but that could really complicate the process.
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Thank you :)
I would have no issue adding the accounts and grouping them, like the ones above - I think the hardest part would be 'extracting' them from the witnesses :)
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Second comment, just a question.... I don't think it's answered anywhere...
Why are some of the witnesses missing? I don't see @jesta for example.
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The number one witness? :)
Either he has not cast a vote this past week, or not made a comment - I will look at providing a full list, including 'zeros' in due course :)
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Fair enough... probably because he's too lost in his DOS boxes, as I think you mention.
Also this might sound like a dumb-ass question but what does a negative score actually mean? You only mention self voting having a negative score, surely that many witnesses can't just be purely self-voting (or am I just missing something>? Which is quite possible).
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The formula is taken from the League 2 post, which is mainly minnow accounts making their first few months interactions. Because of this, the - score for self-votes is set an a number which doesn't impact their scores too much, but for witnesses I think it's looking a bit large.
e.g. accounts can place top 10 with self-votes in the weekly post, but here the figure looks to be crushing totals. (It's really not that big - less than 1000 points!).
If you consider that @glenalbrethsen wrote 220,000 chars last week, a few 'selfies' is really not going to cut into a score which has 1 char = 1 point at all.
I'll reconsider for next time, and perhaps make a few more friends :)
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OK Thanks for the clarification, I was just going through and voting a few more witnesses on the basis of these findings, I thought some of those minus figures looked a bit large. I just voted the community a/c btw.
Also great resteem of that latest post by @crokkon, that was a great piece of analysis!
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Thank you for the support on the witness :)
It is another top analysis by @crokkon, and this time he earned a comment/follow from one witness I appreciate for their engagement on and off the blockchain, cheers!
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Yr welcome - incidentally dyou know of a tool which will allow me to find out the total value of rewards I've received from one specific account over a period of time?
I'm interested in how to most efficiently calculate the total value of upvotes I get from the @sbi3 account - for my one share in steembasicincome?
Is there a simple way of doing it without sql dyou know?
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I think this one may help http://www.steemspectacles.com/
Although it could just list the top set of accounts rewarding you...
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You are doing an amazing work keeping up and updating all these data's and am glad to see @lukestokes hanging on stronger on the top of the chart. I like his style if presentation especially on financial and crypto information. And you also @@@abh12345 for your detail explanation and analysis about the activities and engagement on the steemit platform.
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Thank you @obest, very kind :)
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I'm in love with this statistical analysis, great job and quite informative. Well done
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Thank you! :D
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I believe engagement is very important. I would like to see the robot drivers acknowledge which robot they drive, and not only engage here before everyone, but also post some original info-posts. Keep on keeping on. 😇
😂😂
Resteemed.
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heh! Thanks :D
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After reading all that above again, well maybe not all, but a great deal, and getting a headache trying to sort it when much of it goes right over my nonctrained head, I did want to make a query on self-correcting. As I have understanding from previous readings only the first ten or twelve votes in a day have top value, and after that the % value reduces. Now I realise I don't engage nearly as much as you computer wizes on CPU's, but so far I've tried to vote as many as I can find and have time to read, less My posts that are six to five days old, because I read somewhere even one vote before they go to archive makes a difference. So, with OK not ten or twelve valued votes, where are they best given? I do try to find newbies,and there are steemcommunity witnesses, and those who have been most help to me, but when one bot is downvoting even my comments I feel that a vote at five days is OK. I am not interested in money per se, although a cup of coffee would be great obviously, but as yet I cannot even donate to you or newbiegames, because of not yet knowing how to use the wallet. I neither ask for votes or Resteem and just continue to be as straight as I know how. Is my Self-vote an incorrect play? I don't feel that navigation on steemit is delineated very well and unless one has computer training then much passes by without being noticed and without a navigation post accessable at all times, then many new folk will continue to miss a great deal. A few years ago when I had young employees, I would have just said, I want to see a robot that can sort,indexing and make it easier for researching the archive and a genius would have so prepared one. I understand that this is not a Co, but surely we do have robotic geniuses and the matter of paying for it, as I've pointed out in earlier comments, could be done by a non-member fee for college or university researchers, and then possibly split an SBD into bits of bits for voting on past posts and leveling votes for a zombie-resteem of teaching or info posts, with divisions of photos, photos with captions of 100characters, 1,000ch, etc, as I've explained. And I do understand how busy you guys already are on a 'beta' platform, but a post asking for a young graduate of such robot knowledge on some steemit tag, should get you answers, and then perhaps a community questionnaire to find what abilities are most wanted/needed.
Thanks for reading. I hope I'm on point, but it has been on my mind since before my bot trouble, of how much more simple to do NOW, than after an exponential increase in members and a vast increase in archive.
Keep on keeping on. 😇
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Sorry to comment again, but I saw you had replied to @lynncoyle1, as had I. But although I was returned a comment on my reply to her situation which is - hard -. Cheetah@ downvoted my comment and then my reply to her reply. This is ludicrous, and has nothing whatsoever to do with the stated purpose of that robot, and I personally would slap the driver, in a bar and ask them outside, and I'm a gentleman retired from the rackets. This is bullying for being shown up as wrong, and that is misuse of whatever authority it is delegated and, whoever gave it, I'm sure would not allow, if they knew what this driver is doing. May the blessings be.
See here.
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I'm sorry to say again that I don't know if/when the bot will stop. i hope it will when you reach a certain rep (number in brackets) again. I'll continue to vote the odd comment from you in the hope this will help.
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Thank you.
This setting a robot to Vote on comments not pertinent to its blog job, is way out there. Bullying, for personal reasons, and not complying to its own rules of spam. 😇
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Are career missed blocks a factor in their grading? It plays a roll in my witness vote choices.
https://steemit.com/witnesses/@novacadian/my-current-witness-choices
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Nice. not here no. How did you check how long they had been witnessing for?
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It is one of their stats on the list at :
https://steemian.info/witnesses
P.S. Mostly got their time as witness ftom their witness intro/application posting. Forget the exact tag right now.
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Cheers.
I'll make amendments to this post as I release it each week or two. One of the additions could be blocks missed/time witnessing. Thanks for the idea :)
By the way, I share a witness - @steemcommunity. We're new on the block so to speak, but our pitch is fairly set out I think: https://steemit.com/witness-category/@steemcommunity/introducing-steemcommunity-a-witness-project-by-abh12345-and-paulag
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What I don't understand: How do I sign into this league? Is it enough to write here a comment and the I'm in. If so, please put me in :-)
If not, well, please tell me how to do so.
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This will do, you almost found the right post :D
Welcome! (Post out on sunday!)
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Extremely detailed post, you have covered all aspect of witnesses. Thanks
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I really like the data. And would be nice to see it more often. But that's mainly because I like numbers.
I wonder if and in what way this list could be used? It basically shows that most witnesses are not really engaging.
And some of them just get very high in the list because they brilliantly botified their account. Or was it really his good karma that helped him almost to defeat you in this table? 😋
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Hey
Engaging here, but what about steem chat or discord, or the other forms of engagement listed above?
It's a little rough and ready - the League 2 data/formula is going to need a tweak!
So I guess I do also need to add more details on what these accounts do to reach such high comments/votes...
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Perhaps it will be really difficult to analyze this properly. I indeed know from one witness that he reads stuff every day, also communicates via Steemit chat and does other good things for the community.
Perhaps you could try to analyze 1 or 2 accounts per week a bit more comprehensive?
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Btw, I tried to contact you via Steemit chat. But I guess you don't use that?
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Discord is best for me, cheers
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To send you an invitation I'm also requested to fill in your 4 digit number.
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I think it is difficult to analyze.A witness who read out daily and comments, doing good work.
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Informative...
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Are you seriously trying to sell people that a witness should spend his time engaging with the communtiy instead of working on Steem related dev-projects?
If you really believe that - then EOS will have the easiest time crushing Steem, because communities will be built through the system but if the system sucks - nothing matters.
Or do you think that Reddit hired professional curators?
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I don't believe that is Asher's intention at all. I appreciate this post because it gives us non-witnesses some perspective on the activities of the witnesses we choose to support. Anyone would be a fool (or simply oblivious) to simply pick a witness based on engagement level or their nice sounding name. There are developers who contribute plenty to the platform but don't engage much on Steemit. I support them, @yabapmatt being one. Sure he is not an engager, sure he owns a bid-bot, but one should be able to have quantitative data to give us non-techie some perspective on the witnesses we choose to support on here.
That's what I see this post as, that quantitative data that not all of us are able to access without SQL skills. So I appreciate and thank @abh12345 for providing us this information.
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Great reply @beeyou!! Way to help Asher out with the comments on his post ;)
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I need this at present for sure.
Thinking of you guys, i did see a message from Brian and I am catching up to it soon. x
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Thanks @beeyou for saving me the trouble to reply here. I'm sure on another day, this comment would not be present, but you know, feathers can be ruffled when honest questions are asked.
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How can unengaged people know what to "work on" for the community?
Lame.
Consumers drive business and business drives requirements. Simple operations 101.
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If the system stays broken - no community work in the world will bring Steem to the masses.
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Broken how? By widespread proliferation of vote selling? Hmmm? Or by spam on trending caused by that? Or by the grumpcat vigilantes who noone invited to the party, no matter whose side you are on with his issue?
All social issues, not technical ones. Cultural and you are a big contributor their existence.
Or you mean like steemit inc not being able to fix its interface issues or registration issues which are not our problem at all to worry about?
Ram issues in witness nodes? Meh, plenty of people are running on 32 if they wait out the replay, i choose 128, cause I dont wanna have to keep moving around for awhile.
Broken how, and for that to be YOUR complaint, as you completely enable the primary SOCIAL (not technical) issues here with your bot tracker, vote sales and bidbot of your own, a total conflict of interest most dont even bother to try to educate you on, for some reason... well, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the "problem"
For reference see pretty much all the responses to your comments on the last few contextually relevant threads.
We're less than impressed with your "contribution" and your opinion.
At least you do engage, even if you keep getting roasted for it.
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I'm not selling anything, that's your job.
Has that bid you made yesterday turned up yet? How much did you send?
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I think it is difficult to analyze.A witness who read out daily and comments, doing good work.
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