Laws and Chains: Consciously heeding the absurd

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We cling to the idea of "reasons", "causes", "motives". We say thanks because it is "good manners" and we drive to the right because it is "the norm", "the rules", "the law". These strict abstract guidelines take us by the hand in our day to day so that we may not leave the path of propriety. Compared to absolute freedom, most of us are as modest as nuns and priests.

That is not necessarily a "bad" thing. Society would not hold if the billions that populate the Earth were all depraved. Let us imagine for a second what those freedoms would entail for our communities. Imagine that nobody cared about clothes, about the cleanliness of the streets or about the physical or mental integrity of others. Everyone could walk naked, poop on the streets, throw their poop at others while screaming like monkeys and laugh out loud while taking someone else's possessions. I'm not saying that this would happen, but that it could should there be no strict following for our rules.

Nonetheless, rules, norms, traditions and laws are abstract pieces of human creation that impose a specific code of conduct on people. We abide by them, however, not because they hold society together, but because we were educated to do so. We feel better when we follow these social presets. But once we know that they are simple abstract things that need not be followed by divine commandment, do we somehow become free? I for one do not. I still walk with my clothes on, I refuse to steal, to betray those who have put their trust on me, to scream in quiet places, and I feel better when I am very polite and nice to people.

I am as free as my mind lets me be. Now it's my preferences instead of my beliefs that tie me to the path of propriety.

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Interesting stuff. I remember as a child, when parents would let you squat behind a tree or bush if there were no toilets close by. This one time I remember the self-consciousness -- I just couldn't do it. Can't remember how old I was or why I was suddenly averse to pissing behind a tree, but I remember the feeling of shame. What if someone saw me!

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I am absolutely shameless!! I could walk naked in a busy street and I wouldn't mind it at all. Zero. I find it interesting.

Lol Crazy XD
I couldn't here... it's too cold and I wouldn't wanna make anyone sick :P

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Oh, I would obviously not do it if I was going to become an ice cube afterwards. Lol.

Well, maybe it’s kind of lame to comment now your post, since you wrote this four days ago; but I just want to add my own opinion and I’m new to Steemit:

There is a subjacent instinct beneath our human conduct, I give you that. The problem is that we are self-conscious stardust, and we are aware of our futility in the universe. The real problem is that this is a shared truth and destiny, and hence, all our paradigms that govern society, rules, norms, etc., are directed to the common goal of confronting this truth through denial—rules, religions, and governments. It’s not lightening to acknowledge our nullity, au contraire, it hurts: is not for everybody; Nietzsche and Camus thought, that modern society is constructed with the purpose of not confronting the absurd of ourselves. Ahm, I don’t know if I’m clear enough.

Thanks for the advices of busy.org and #cervantes.

Cheers and see you around!

Exactly! I agree with Nietzsche and Camus on that. I haven't read much on them but I have read a little. I hadn't thought of this, actually. That society gets built around the idea of not confronting these elemental things that I think are necessary for the comprehension of human culture. Perhaps it's just that, the bliss of ignorance embedded in the essence of our ecosystems.

You could read When Nietzsche Wept, by Irvin Yalom, to get started. It's a fiction about how Nietzsche, being at the edge of suicide, seeks for the advice of Josef Breuer, a famous physican at the time, influenced by his former student, Sigmund Freud. Breuer tries to psychoanalize Nietzsche, using Freud's ideas, though, he's the one being treated in an existencialist way by Nietzsche: kind of a minded battle between two brilliant individuals.

Is a very slmple narrative, however, it gives you a good glimpse at both Nietzsche's and Freud's philosophy, and yeah, it's kind of an entertaining book that you could read in a week, or so.

ever see a film "The Diving Bell and the Butterfly" its a great movie i think you would like it

I haven't. Could you tell me a bit more about it?

I maybe flirted with the ideas of anarchism before kids but since I have them I see when you have like blank canvas humans they thrive on clear rules and boundaries and they are miserable when given absolutely no guidelines or rules. The same goes for dogs. They seem to be much more content when you set clear and reasonable boundaries. So I'm with you on preference to doing good and polite.

I hate laws and authority, but at the same time, I have to admit to myself that it would be impossible for me to live properly if I don't have a set of rules of my own. It just so happens that I kinda like some of the rules set around me, so I adopt them and we're all happy.

Some laws are made to be broken. Or at least twisted... I feel they undergo the same set of adaptations on a societal level as DNA... Rules are like the genes of a society??

Indeed, everything that makes humanity could be likened to an ecosystem that changes every time a miniscule change occurs in the environment. This environment is the context, whatever happens around us. There have been multiple changes recently with the advent of technology, growing faster every time, and these changes cover rules, laws, every bit that marks our behaviour.

It all changes together. Our culture, our language, our genes and our environment. It's an awesome thing, but a bit worrying when we think of the unpredictable. Since these are not intentional changes, we might be bringing about some things that will be viewed as normal in the future but would be horrible for our current selves.

Like burying heads into cell phones right? Ahahaha....

A thought provoking post, we all detest the rules when they inhibit us, but there would be anarchy and chaos without them

if only there could be a nice balance somewhere

I think that each of us can reach some sort of balance, although it's hard and sometimes it can lead to people choosing what others would consider morally-grey areas.

I totally agree with your aforementioned post, rules, norms and traditions are truly abstract pieces of human creation.

The first step is to realize that you are not free, that you are living by norms you not even realize. The best slave is the one that is happy with the fact that he does not have to make any decisions.

Sometimes I feel terrible about this, that the deeper I look into my life, the more I realize how tied up I am. My conduct is barely even "me".

That's very true, it becomes very awkward when we do not follow and everyone does as he or she pleases. Very good post, took me a few read throughs

followed. in your case twas easy:) i like your thoughts. Thank You

Either the arbitrary rules hold society together or they don't. Your middle paragraph contradicts the third.

Very few rules are required to prevent the depravity as you say. One life attempting to control or destroy another. Other than that very thought provoking.

Consenting that doing things a certain way toward a common goal while allowing people self fulfillment sounds like a society worth living in.

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Either the arbitrary rules hold society together or they don't. Your middle paragraph contradicts the third.

It doesn't. Sorry. Please read it again. Let me clarify:

People have strong quasi-religious morals, even most atheists. It's dogmatic and based on tradition.
Please note that I did not say that society is held by rules, but by the fact that the vast majority of people are not depraved. However, let us imagine that society is held together by rules. The second point is that people don't follow rules because society wouldn't hold without them or any altruistic reason like that, but simply because they are educated to do so and this behavioural rule becomes one with them.

Very few rules are required to prevent the depravity as you say. One life attempting to control or destroy another. Other than that very thought-provoking.

Consenting to do things a certain way toward a common goal while allowing people self-fulfilment sounds like a society worth living in.

Sorry, I don't understand what you said here. I don't know if it's the grammar or what. I just don't know what you're saying. I'll try to interpret.

Few rules are enough to hold depravity, ok, this much is clear. What did you try to say about one life controlling or destroying?

And why do say that agreeing to follow the rules would be together with self-fulfilment?

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