Here is my "threat," copied and pasted from DM:
"Pegasus, you made the logos as contract work for the group. You do not own them, nor can you demand that we cease and desist using them. Believe me--we don't want to use them. We much prefer to be rid of this petty ridiculousness altogether. But if you think you have a case, please have your attorney contact me IN WRITING, via certified mail. I will provide the address if you wish. Otherwise, we'll get to it when we get to it, and we'll also be sure to tell anyone wishing to hire you as a graphic artist how you have behaved in this instance."
You said yourself that you never signed a contract. Therefore there was no agreement. So how can I "honour" such agreement? You never released any images to us with stipulation or conditions, neither in writing nor verbally. So the bottom line is that you cannot legally or reasonably make a claim of ownership on a logo after the fact.
I am quite certain that anyone who sees this ridiculous debate that you guys insisted on making public would think twice about ever asking you to perform work for them in graphic design or writing of any sort. It doesn't require a "threat" to make that evident. Professional graphic designers would never engage in such ridiculous nonsense unless they had a contract in hand that included conditions. You don't see Jimitations screaming for GMuxx and Shane to stop using his intro for their radio show, do you? I would imagine that's because he understands how the law works in cases like this and prefers to leave his reputation unsullied by bullshit. No worries--we've all been discussing other options not only for the logo, but for any branding that existed prior to the meltdown you guys had in the Block. All traces of all of you will soon be gone, except for what is locked down on the blockchain. Links to your work will be removed from the SFT Library, and it will be as if none of you ever existed, much less any work product created by you.
"You said yourself that you never signed a contract. "
FYI, since you both said this, this is technically irrelevant.
A verbal contract/agreement is equally as legally binding as a written one. It is merely more difficult to litigate.
I have no other relevant tidbits to offer.
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What about the agreement to cease usage? Is that binding?
This is my only true issue here... that I was asked eight days ago what I wanted regarding usage and told that my decision would be respected. My decision was to cease use - which was an option supplied to me by the person that approached me. I included a screenshot of the correspondence in my previous comment.
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And this is exactly my point. There was no contract with conditions. There is nothing to enforce here. We have an attorney on board who does not advise us to stop using the vector art image. The one of the letters forming a block underneath the feather is a slightly different matter, and unless someone does a copypaste of the code, it will never appear online again.
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Yelling "lawyer" in a crowded comment thread seems completely ridiculous here. This is a matter of a simple request, "please stop using my work," and a rude, unnecessary, vindictive refusal to honor said request.
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Uhmm. . .have you not realized who a certain zombie is, and what he does for a living? You guys even sent him an invite to the new server. And you didn't know?
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gasp he's a lawyer?
Of course I know that. And of course I know that you've been consulting him. My question is, why? Why not just stop using the logo you claim to not want to use anyway? Why drag lawyers into this, if not to perpetuate a fight?
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"Perpetuate" a fight? We didn't even start the fight. You guys are the ones all gloved up and swinging at shadows. We're just going along, minding our own business and none of you can stand it. So you feel compelled to stir up drama. Drama, drama, drama, drama. Drama Llama, Bahama Mama. The gif has the link to our website. That's why we use it. Nobody wants to bother making an interim one while the new one is being created. It's fuss and bother that is necessary only in a petty world. We are busy moving on and building a community. You all are busy stirring up drama and being ridiculous. I think your answer about why we still grab that old gif code is in the question. WHY? Why get so twisted up about seeing what amounts to a piece of nondescript clip art in a post on Steemit? So yeah, my question is also why? Why not just ignore it and it will go away? I think the answer is simple: if you ignore it, you have to pass up on creating more drama.
And as an aside, with the level of venom you guys brought to the table, having some legal insight into how we should proceed isn't such a bad idea.
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"Nobody wants to bother making an interim one..." So the request is denied. And when the artist, whose request has been denied, attempts to stand up for herself and her work, she's dismissed as creating drama. Thanks for the clarification.
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You bet. Any time.
Oh, by the way, I understand you may owe GMuxx and Shane a refund on some "gifts" as well. You're waiting on a powerdown? Too bad. You need to pay up right now. Because clearly, their attempting to stand up for what is owed to them is being dismissed as unimportant enough to deal with on demand.
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You are aware that it was you all that approached me about what to do with the logo in the first place, right? Why send someone to make an agreement you never intended to honour? No one wanted drama with you, just for you to keep your word. Seems fair enough.
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We were making an attempt to be kind and thoughtful. Your antagonistic response removed all desire to extend olive branches.
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@rhondax can I help by mediating? let me know if you are willing, like I said, I dont know the history, I dont want to take sides, I dont want to judge, i just want to help
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Thank you, @paulag. We have an arbitration team within Writers' Block that consists of an attorney, a law student, and an emotionworks expert. This went into arbitration there, but got so distorted when they tried to have me "brought up on charges" that the attorney threatened to quit altogether if it was allowed to continue down that path. So as admins of the group, GMuxx and I pulled rank and shut the whole process down before it got ridiculous. There is no mediating with these people. They spoil for a fight and love drama. We have all the proof we need that the gif used in this post does not "belong" to the person claiming it. These individuals are gone from the Discord group. They clearly love to hijack posts that have nothing to do with them and draw all kinds of attention to themselves. But mediation? That ship has sailed. They'll run out of venom eventually.
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Yes, the insanity that prompted my leaving was my mistaken belief that Rhonda here also would be expected to behave in a courteous and professional manner as we all committed to doing. Egg on my face lol.
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I missed this comment until now. Apparently you made it while I was on the phone with Jimmie, who was calmly discussing with me his desire that GMuxx and Shane stop using his intro. This is his reasoning, that I passed along a few minutes ago to Gmuxx:
Jimmie is traveling, but has seen how you and Shane have aggresively upvoted other comments - including spam, which was amusing - in order to obfuscate the claim Inna was making on Pegasus' behalf. If Rhonda is innocent of these charges, why try to hide the comment? Why not just articulate a defense/refutation at the outset, as publicly as possible? Jimmie has asked me to convey his anger over the way Pegasus is being treated and to request that you stop using the intro he kindly made, as well as any commercial parodies. Unless you're planning to claim "contract work," as well? Jimmie took an hour of his time to voice it, including unused takes, as well as paying the $65 studio fee (twice) to record it.
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Jimmie didn't want you to know it was costing him money. That's how he is. He was trading his own work time at Critical Mass Media to pay the $65 studio fee, meaning he did work there for free to get you that intro. He didn't want anything from you in return because he used to be very fond of you. If you don't believe me (because clearly you don't or you wouldn't be posting screen shots) I can put you in touch with Keith Hughes, the owner of Critical Mass Media, and he can verify this.
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And both myself and Shane sent something to him regardless as we thought highly of his talent. Quite why yours and Jimmy's opinions of me have changed, I have no idea.
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Gmuxx has now muted me and ordered me to only communicate with him publicly. Mute away, Gmuxx. That seems to be your behavior of choice when arguments fail you.
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As you can clearly see, here you are not muted. I want any further discussion you feel you need to make, public and on the blockchain, as stated in my message to you.
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I'm happy to transcribe our entire conversation onto the blockchain if that's cool with you. Complete with supplementary screenshots.
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Do what you want, I have nothing to hide. Do you?
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When I said I never signed a contract, that was in response to your claim that what I did was contract work. My apologies if that wasn't obvious.
The thing to which The Writers' Block agreed was to stop using both the new and old versions of my logo. Again, apologies if this wasn't clear. When I was approached about the use of the logos, I was prepared to simply let it be... but the fact that I was never properly credited for my efforts, and was being asked about it directly, pushed me to decide it would be best if we just went our separate ways. I was told this decisions would be respected.
As for my links on the SFT Library, I would certainly appreciate their removal, thank you!
Oh, speaking of SFT, did you want to keep using that logo too? Or, nah? I'll understand if you don't want you.
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To be clear, by “meltdown” in @pegasusphysics’s case you’re referring to how she left the server without saying a word after reading the way you behaved in the leadership only rooms?
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