This post was co-published at talanhorne.com
I recently had a nice chat with an editor. And it was nice because editors are fine people.
I've touched on this before, in an ancient post. It's still just as true today.
That said, it can be difficult to convince an editor of what you're trying to say. Acquisitions editors are often called "Gatekeepers" within the industry, because their job is to be a filter. It is not unrealistic to go even further, and state that their job is to say "No."
And people who say "No" are the bravest people in the world. And often the least appreciated.
That is why I go easy on editors. But it also creates a stumbling block when trying to communicate with them, because editors---like other gatekeepers---give recognition to the familiar. They predict the success of what they're seeing by comparing it to previous successes. Which is often a good policy.
But such an approach will always exclude the revolutionary. It leaves no room for the avant garde. Which is where the greatest successes are to be mined.
An Example: Young Adult Lovesickness
Why must I be a teenager in love...and also an ancient robot warlock programmed to destroy all life on Earth?
Some professionals within the Young Adult (YA) literary market insist that every YA novel needs to contain a love story. Because that's just the way it is and there is no going against it so your book absolutely must have a love story.
Unless you're the first Maze Runner book.
Or the first three Harry Potter books.
Or any YA novel that doesn't particularly need romantic tension because it already has a hundred other kinds of tension.
And this lockstep obsession with shoehorning love stories into YA novels results in a lot of stilted, awkward love subplots that lack any kind of chemistry.
HOWEVER...
The idea that YA novels work better with love stories is still sound as a general rule. A cursory analysis of the YA market will reveal that whiny teen love sells. In some cases, it sells by the millions.
Which doesn't guarantee that it always will, or that you can't sell millions of copies without it. And there are certainly instances where the story is better off without a romantic subplot or love interest. Yet there is a rhyme and reason to assaying the strength of a YA novel's love story as a way of judging the entire work.
The avant garde approach in this direction would be to forego a love story, or have a love subplot that ends unhappily, or that ends with a rejection of love in favor of something else. And any of these is going to be a hard sell.
What an Editor Told Me During a Book Pitch
So---getting back on topic---I met with an editor recently and pitched her one of my books.
This book is particularly good, and, more importantly, has the potential to do a lot of good. Those of you who know me personally know what book I'm talking about.
And she had concerns. Chiefly, she wondered how one of the characters in a YA book could be a sixty-year-old man.
That the three other primary characters were all teenagers was not enough to sway her. This was a sticking point for her. And, honestly, it made me reexamine the book, wondering if I hadn't made a mistake.
I had to ask the question: can a Young Adult novel include a geriatric man as a viewpoint character?
And the answer, of course, is yes. Old people interact with teenagers all the time. Just ask Albus Dumbledore.
"Now where did I leave my keys?"
I am reminded of a quote by Doris Lessing that always give some clarity whenever I question my own work:
There are no laws for the novel. There never have been, nor can there ever be.Putting such arbitrary strictures in place is bound to trample on some worthwhile work---quality work that is unlike what has been seen before, but will be endlessly imitated by future generations.DORIS LESSING
HOWEVER...
The question this editor was asking herself was NOT "Can a Young Adult novel include a geriatric man as a viewpoint character?"
The questions she was asking was "Should I trust an author who thinks it's a good idea for a YA novel to include such a character?"
That's the real issue, and the answer is...less clear.
The Irresponsible Avant Garde
I promise it is possible be new and different in a responsible way.
But by saying that, I also imply that once can be irresponsible with these same principles.
Every artist should seek to expand and refine the genres to which they are called. Yet some artists take this too far, and don't so much expand their genre as trample on it, decrying the shoulders of the giants they stand on, wanting to reshape the world in their own image.
This is the danger of pursuing the avant garde. It is what most editors have in mind when they scrutinize whatever boldness you imbue into your work. Does this person even understand how their chosen genre works? Are they even aware of what such and such a story normally looks like?
It's only natural to be suspicious. The world is full of hacks, unable to string a coherent sentence together. You don't want to hand them the keys to the kingdom without some kind of test.
But Consider This
For a lot of writers, creating something that exists entirely within the established genre is impossible.
People might point to the commonalities among a genre and say that your book should be like that, but that does not mean your book must be like that.
Another quote comes to mind---this one from J.K. Rowling:
The only rule is what works for you. People find that scary, so they try and grasp hold of a blueprint, but the only way is your way.And that, I think, is a good enough guiding philosophy for anyone in this business.If I had listened to 'the rules' back in 1990, there would be no Harry Potter. Stories about schools are passé. 95k words is too long.
Write what you need to write, write it as well as you can, revise it, refine it, and if it still seems alive to you, you’re done.
J.K. ROWLING - 9 Nov 2017
@talanhorne,
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It is just didn't work for THAT editor.
Doesn't mean it wouldn't work for someone else.
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I completely agree with you, each writer has his own view of what is happening and one must write based on his perception and understanding, only then the writer can correctly emphasize his thoughts and express his talent! Thank you @talanhorne
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don't worry, be happy. Time will test everything. let them do what they feel like doing. Yet, You will be what you will be!
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Convincing anyone is very tough and for writers this is the hardest thing to do excellent post
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I think there are two kind of people in this profession. Critics and authors. Critics will say
that your book should be like that.
Author would say: that does not mean your book must be like that. Just like you mentioned without open minded geniuses we wouldn’t have books such as Harry Potter...
I completely agree with you that love and sex sells.
Great post!
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If you want to be an author through the traditional channels, avant garde is always going to be a high hurdle. Why invest in your highly risky avant garde stuff, when there are much safer choices?
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we can also feel the feelings of a person by looking at the facial expression..
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Amazing article....
Such an approach will always exclude the revolutionary...it leaves no room for the avant grade..which is where the greatest successes are to be mined.. you are absolutely right sir.. i am agree with you.. it is very useful
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I think there are three main tasks that must be done is to find, improve and publish articles or drawings,
The editor operates as a publisher, meaning the editor must be involved in all aspects.
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@talanhorne - Sir a best advice & a nice philosophy of yours... Nice you decided to share it with your excellent writings Sir...
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