What is required is that we objectively know and understand what is right from what is wrong, not what we subjectively think, want, wish or desire to be right or wrong. Then we can consciously choose who to be and what to do.
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Indeed true. Sadly the conscience of morality is being suppressed, minimized, turned off and killed. There is a movement for the singularity to merge humans with AI. I do not support such a thing. But they would and are trying to kill the moral conscience to fulfill this in time. God help us. Thanks @krnel
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Abdicating responsibility to an AI is not the solution. We need to grow up and learn how to live, not depend on something else to make the decisions for us more... we need to mature in morality and be more responsible for our actions,not less responsible... what a joke eh? Kill moral understanding and have people beg for AI control... great.. :/
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Believe me I am NOT for the singularity AI.
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When I read the comments on this post I fear I have stepped into a parallel universe. Right and wrong are subjective? relative? Really? So aggressing against another is sometimes ok depending upon the context? Help!
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No, you're misunderstanding.
If I say something it only becomes bad because you think so, you're feeling attacked.
If someone wants to hit my dog, I'll agress him. Yes.
Greets
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What I'm arguing is that right and wrong are not subjective. Someone making an unprovoked attack upon another is always wrong.
If someone attacks your dog, your defence of the dog would not be aggression.
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Yea, I know I say the exact same thing.
Attacking isn't bad or good and with your context "unprovoked attack upon another" is probably wrong. But only with this context.
Also the attacking person probably thinks he's right, so in his subjective thinking it is good...
I meant attacking with aggressing..
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Yeah... that's what my post was about too :P The large problems we are in as a species is because understanding right from wrong is not attained.
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a good post, talking about right or wrong is not an easy thing because what we are right or wrong according to us is not necessarily right or wrong according to others. before justifying or blaming something we must understand and examine the problem first take the most appropriate conclusions for the problem.
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Yes, to know and understand who is right, or wrong, or both or neither, information/knowledge of the situation comes first. But actions exist and those who do wrongs did them. Admitting to being responsible for our actions is the mature things to do in order to progress to making reparations and resolving conflicts we create.
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One thing that living among you humans for the last 72 years is that you can rationalize anything... evil can become good, if you think about it long enough- hence the need for objective truths!
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Yes, objective reality and the effects within it trump the subjective beliefs we want to be true that aren't. Being rational can apply to real true thinking based in principles, or false thinking in bullshit ;)
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I'm not trying to push religion, or claim that they came up with moral absolutes first- but things like not killing, stealing or lying are pretty practical. Long before I came to believe, I endorsed "Do unto others" (a staple of most religions) simply because it made good sense.
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good since we are small our father does not teach what is good and what is bad, one finally decides what path to follow, although sometimes the bad company makes one get lost in things that are bad, but everything is in us one same took this decision of good or evil ..
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Yes, the path is ours to choose. We have the capacity for both.
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That's right .. my friend ..
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There is no good or evil. No good or bad.
All relative.
C'est la vie.
It's good for the whore if I spoil the whore.
It is all situation-dependent, subject-dependent, context-dependent.
Good or evil only drives the hatred and the agitation.
Your Baron
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Relative morality is an oxymoron.
you claim:
"There is no good or evil. No good or bad.
All relative."
You declare a negative singular claim. You say no to two things. This has nothing to do with good or bad being relative.
Then you go on with your example, which declare that there is a morality to be found, but it is situation dependent, subject dependent, context dependent. So you acknowledge objective morality now? But why the intro then.
A morality can be used when we find the morality of something - if you say there is no good or evil, you found a morality.
If it were relative it would both be and not be context dependent at the same time, because it is relative.
Relativism is a mind virus. It might even confuse you enough to believe that moral relativism, is the moral of the story here. Which is the oxymoron I was claiming in the top of this reply.
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haha really really cool that this is an oxymoron ;)
but I didn't use it
I never talked of morality
If you don't want to understand what I say, this is your problem
but you won't have any success switching the words on my tongue ;)
greets
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Yeah it is cool :) the architecture of this place is wonderful.
Every understanding is a morale understanding. I want to understand the morality of your post. What morale in thought do you seek to convey. You claim there is no good or evil and then you also claim that it is relative.
As you can see I took a little time to try and respond to what you have written. Now I tried to clarify my reply. I am adressing your set of logic used to extrude your claim. I am intellectually attacking your conclusions, while trying to point towards your expressions.
If you find my initial reply not worthy of an better answer, please continue to correct me and I will try to improve it.
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I just felt like you'd try to outplay me with my own words.. say that I meant something that I did not mean.
Yes. In my opinion there is no definite good or bad.
Okay maybe I didn't make clear enough that I don't declare the existence of these words.
But in my opinion these words do mean for everyone something else..
because it's depending..
Good and Bad are dumb expressions for propaganda to raise hate and unify the sheeps.
I hate propaganda. Because of this and their 'good' or 'bad' so much shit happens on this world.
greets
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Any word that exists is real.
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No, you're wrong.
There exist's no Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Nor any Devil.
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If your philosophy consists of; there is no good and evil, good or bad ..... then it would logically follow that there also is; no right and wrong (in that philosophy)........Or am I wrong here?
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Yes, Sir!
But please don't come with science now.
Science was so often wrong and are only concepts to bring us forward. But as soon as there is a better concept. The old one is automatically wrong and the new is right..
Until there is a better concept.
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Science?
Some thoughts
I see it more as individual, relational, and consent dependent.
If someone punches me in the face without my consent I find that bad/wrong/evil
If I however get punched in the face in a boxing match or training then there is consent I know what the rules are and what happens in when I go into that ring.
But I guess that's what you mean with situation-dependent, subject-dependent, context-dependent, This is when you look at it from the outside, I take it more to a personal/individual realm.
Oh and science is never "settled" I agree. :) but "never" is also such an absolute word....;) lol
Thank you for the reply.
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Yea, Science, because often people come and try to tell me that there is truth.. that science is finding the truth.. but they normally have no clue how science works..^^
I think we have the same opinion ;)
Greets
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There is wrong and right my friend.
The fact that you differ from my opinion, shows that you think am wrong.
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Yea, I think so! You just admitted that it's subject-depending.
I never said that there are no words like right and wrong..
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Good or evil can also mean wrong or right.
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do you even understand what I say? ^^
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Look, We can call our opinions subjective all we want, but we all know the true that there is good and evil.
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Okay, tell me please.
What is the ultimate good and evil?
Im really interested. Maybe we can finally ban all evil from our world!
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You can't ban evil in the world, it is the nature of life.
There is no ultimate evil or good, they are numerous.
When you kill somebody, that is evil and when you are kind to somebody, that is good for example.
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every people have a bad side & a good side. any one show their bad side & anyone show their good side. its depand on their mind. but so many peoples are too dangarous because they showing their both side. sometime bad sometime good.
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But sadly there is no such thing as objective good or objective evil. It is always just someone's perspective.
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I think they both go hand in hand and if both of then are in concordance only then we can consiously choose what is right and what ia wrong.
I think objective understanding of right and wrong is because of mass subjective perceptions put to action.
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There is no concept in the whole world of objective right or wrong.
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Yep, all context depending
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Yap. Agreed
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This is a really good post. Thanks for sharing this.
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wow wonderful boss
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I think right
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