If you can answer this question honestly then you're now ready to participate in the AI safety debate between Musk and Zuckerberg.
So which company do you trust with your safety? Consider this a survey to see if public sentiment favors Musk's or Zuckerberg's approach.
I trust both of them to behave like corporate entities, beyond that; what is trust when talking about companies?
Cgee
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Which company do you trust to make sure the product is safe for the user?
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OK, you're going to drag me off the fence, I'll jump down and play; :-).
I think I'm going to be controversial and go for Facebook. The reason being is I can trust them to behave in a way that I expect. That is to say they will attempt to give as much access to my info as possible to 3rd party advertisers.
At the same time, they will want to make sure that my experience is as good as possibly can be, because the only chance they have to keep me, is to keep me happy.
It is kind of like I can trust a snake to be a snake, it's going to try and bite me, so as long as I know that I should be OK.
Whilst I like Musk and Tesla, what do I really know about his ambitions beyond what he tells me via a controlled series of press releases and promo videos?
So yeah whilst I'm into Musk on a philosophical level, when it comes to who is going to make sure AI is safe and cosy for me to interface with, if I had to throw my hat in the ring, I'd go FB.
At least I think that's what you're asking? :-)
Cgee
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I trust Elon Musk over Mark Zuckerburg.
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Any particular reason?
Cg
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Elon Musk has been an technological innovator and game changer in software, in space flight, in energy, in automobiles while pursuing ideas like the hyper loop and Mars colonization. He seems genuinely concerned about the planet and the fate of humanity as a species. Mark Zuckerburg invented the largest advertising platform in the history of the world and seems more concerned with expanding Facebook as a personal profit center than with the internet as a global resource for information and communication
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I would trust Tesla more because I think they are necessarily more accountable and are also trying to be at least somewhat transparent.
Facebook seems totally creepy and secretive to me. That is based on little to no actual evidence that I can give you, just my feelz.
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I would rather have to trust neither, but I'd be far more willing to trust Musk than Zuckerberg for sure.
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I woukld trust Tesla.
Elon Musk is a visionary doing all he can to change the world in many aspects.
He is participating and inventing new things.
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Hmm... Zuckerberg - whose company considers his members product to be sold or Musk who puts his own money into innovation and makes an idea work?
Difficult decision.. oh wait, no it isn't ;)
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I trust Musk more. I think AI are dangerous, not only because they can develop self-conscience (that is the minor risk in my opinion) but because they can be hacked, and together with automation can create a huge employment crisis.
I think the first priority about AI should be security, and the second find the way to help the people that will lose his job because of it. AI will eventually create more jobs, but that will take time.
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I would never trust Facebook ... but I can t say if I would trust Tesla , I did not read alot about Tesla .
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Favoring musk over zuckerberg. Although both of them takes on the unimaginable tasks, but I like Musk idea in physically connect the world together through energy, transportation, and even brain performance.
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Do you trust Pennywise or Jack the Ripper more?
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I would trust Tesla more (but still not too much ) :)
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Musk is more reliable and predictable. Musk doesn't think he has the right to tell other people what to do. Musk leads by actions not words.
Unfortunately, Musk's achilles heel is that he wants to do everything himself. And he has a restless, insatiable curiosity. Which leads him to start way too many projects. Thus he is at risk of not actually completing anything.
Zuckerberg, on the other hand, wants to be emperor. He thinks that he is smarter than everyone else and the world would just be peachy if we would just let him tell us all what to do. He feels morally superior to the rest of us, and is completely oblivious to the fact that it is his own self interest that is steering him to try to take the reins "for the good of humanity."
These are the most dangerous kinds of people, the folks that are orange level consciousness who think they are green level because they think that is "better", and who then lead the world into conflict because they don't truly resonate with the selflessness of green level, and thus their concern for community is stilted and inauthentic and therefore toxic and inaccurate.
See this post for more about how the evolution of consciousness can help us understand our society.
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How do you feel about AI safety? Who should be the unofficial thought leader between Zuckerberg and Musk?
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Musk.
Zuckerberg's world view is that centralized control has only upsides. Thus he subscribes to the idea that society will run better if the "society management experts" (and note he is campaigning to have that job) are allowed to steer society. He thinks society trends towards decay and implosion if society is allowed to steer itself because he doesn't understand the concept of self organizing systems, and he doesn't understand that society is a self organizing system that eventually gets productive enough to afford the affectation of government. He thinks that government is built first, and then the solar system of society forms itself around the sun of government.
Thus his bias will be, and he has said this, that AI poses no risk to society as long as the "society management experts" are chosen wisely (and of course he believes himself to be a wise choice -- that's his arrogance shining though) and as long as the regulation experts are properly regulating.
He doesn't understand the concept of power structures that organize themselves spontaneously -- if he did, then he would understand why regulation is an ineffectual deterrent, because the power structure just evolves to incorporate and therefore bypass any effective regulatory control. Hence the phenomenon of regulatory capture.
In Zuckerberg's mind, regulatory capture is simply because of "bad people" who end up in positions of power. Not because the system will inevitably trend towards such an arrangement when the people exchange freedom for supposed safety. Just like "Fascism" is because of bad people, rather than the inevitable outcome of a society that defers all decisions to a centralized control apparatus, regardless of their initial intentions when starting that process.
Thus his stripe of politics leads him to believe that Nazism could have been prevented had the Germans been prevented from giving power to Hitler, rather than recognizing that any society willing to hand over power to a strongman in order to save them will end up getting someone just like Hitler. To Zuckerberg, Trump represents impending Fascism because Trump is a "bad person" -- which is why he is blind to the reality that Antifa is every bit as Fascist as those they oppose.
Because of this combination of paradigm blindness and paradigm arrogance, Zuckerberg will never see dangerous AI coming until after it is far too late.
Musk, on the other hand, understands complex systems better. He understands that self organizing systems tend to start small and then accelerate exponentially. He understands that the initial parameters are what determine the eventual outcomes of a self organizing system.
Zuckerberg is Gates 2.0 . A reasonably intelligent guy blessed by fate to be at the right place at the right time, who has ever since confused luck with skill.
Won't be surprised if Zuck is elected in 2020, as the Millennials have no understanding of the process of central control and socialism and are currently eagerly gulping down the societal poison.
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Tesla I am hoping...
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I could answer this question better if it was worded, "which company do you trust LESS". I wouldn't trust Zuckerberg for any reason, ever.
Now, if it was Nikola Tesla vs. Zuckerberg then this would be the most lopsided question in history.
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