RE: But Anarchism is LAWLESS CHAOS! Clearing up some common misconceptions about Voluntaryism/Anarcho-Capitalism.

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But Anarchism is LAWLESS CHAOS! Clearing up some common misconceptions about Voluntaryism/Anarcho-Capitalism.

in anarchy •  7 years ago 

I never said I would damage your house.

But why are you insisting that I cannot use the land just because you are forcefully blocking me (e.g. by building something on it) from using it? That is circle logic and not better then government forcing you with a fence and a mine field to not set your feet on an air base for example.

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So I cannot use the land and build a house on it because nobody owns it, according to your reasoning?

No, wherever I have said that? I said you have no right to force your model of ownership onto me.

(For example who gave you the right to build a house on land you don't own?)

Your society model is based on 2 fundamental rules:

A) Everything you do is voluntarily
B) If you don't agree to my model of (land) ownership I will force you to accept it.

That is a contradiction. Solve it or I can't take anarcho-capitalism serious.

I do not have a nature conferred capacity to shelter myself? You wish to force your will on me and stop me...why? You realize we all take up space and require resources to survive. Unowned land must then be able to be utilized exclusively, for survival to be a possibility. If usage cannot be exclusive, we are back at square one and I can take your dinner and use your home how I want, with or without permission.

No one is forcing any system on you any more than nature is "forcing" you to eat to live.

Where did I say I want to force you to stop building something? I just want to know what gives you the right to own land.

land must then be able to be utilized exclusively

Why? What gives you the right to stop others from using your land?

The necessity of providing myself shelter. You don't agree that if I begin building a small home on a patch of land, and you come later, I have claim to the home?

I don't have legitimate claim to the exclusive use of that home? Why not?

And if I do have claim to the home (as you have agreed--we cannot forcefully enter each others' homes uninvited) then how will you get to the land upon which it sits? To get to it you would have to breach my home (due to the nature of physical objects in space) and yes, then I would force you out.

You seem to be unable to make a distinction between land and something you put on it.

I can make that distinction fine. I am simply saying that for all practical purposes, due to the nature of physical space (being under my house) you cannot get to it. If my house is mine, on top of the land, then the land is inaccessible to you. If I own my house, and you have no right to enter without an invitation, then you also cannot get to the land, without breaching my house, at which point I would use force to remove you, effectively forcing off of the land underneath it as well. This is very simple man. It's been nice talking with you.

Okay, then explain why you think you have the right to build a house on land that you not own, because nobody owns it, just because nobody was able to stop you in time.
(Which is basically what happened with the homesteading act in the "Wild West")