This isn't complicated.
Many people in positions of power maintained by the threat of violence have a personality which enjoys dominating others.
This is why I support peaceful anarchy. Anarchy means "no rulers." It has a starting point of the non-aggression principle where no human being can rule over another human being and there is no justified reason to initiate force against another peaceful individual. Those who enjoy dominating you want you to believe the world would go down in flames without the dear leaders to protect you.
In reality, those leaders light the flames for their own benefit.
Anarchists are not surprised when another politician shows their true nature. The next "scandal" is just a matter of more people waking up to the reality this system of government creates.
Thanks to blockchain technology, for the first time in human history, networks can be more effective than hierarchies for achieving consensus. Non-natural monopolies on force and currency creation backed by theft and threats of violence are no longer needed to achieve our goals as a species, assuming we continue moving up Maslow's Hierarchy of needs as we have been for the past 100+ years. Our circle of empathy is growing, and eventually it will not allow rulers to dominate others.
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i have ready the myth of authority and watched yhur description video and it looks like what is going to be a good idea. All my life i have actually hated the government and hated having to be controlled by someone but i have never thought we could exist without them
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Control systems will crumble as the priests of science wither away. We are waking up to the realization that only consciousness is real, all else if virtual.
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What would be your best support for that worldview? I've been listening to some interesting stuff on meditation lately and how this perception can be reached.
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My own experience, and the search for understanding these anomalies. This lead me to years of research and Physicist Thomas Campbell's work. His book is available online free.
He also has hundreds of videos of his lectures. Here is a link to one of his sites. https://www.youtube.com/user/twcjr44
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Thanks! I'll check it out. The simulation hypothesis stuff is super interesting.
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You're welcome! @lukestokes
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Wow ... sounds like so much is evolving with crypocurrency. Not just financial system , but also political, social, cultural and economic systems will evolve with cryptocurrency. May be our behavior, nature and sentiments will also evolve with the evolution of so many systems around us . This seems to translate into the true evolution of us human beings.
Wow... it can be start of something so grand and amazing as that. I didn't think of it before reading your post. Thanks for opening my mind :)
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Yes evolution is going to be in more areas than we can imagine. And its awesome.
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So glad this post got you thinking in that direction. :)
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I can relate the word anarchy, with others that currently define the current situation of my country.
We live in an Anarchy run by a Tyrant who are vanished autocrats who destroyed our beautiful country. Venezuela.
Puedo relacionar la palabra anarquia, con otras que actualmente definen la actual situacion de mi pais.
Vivimos en una Anarquia dirijida por un Tirano que son autocratas vandidos que destruyeron nuestro hermoso pais. Venezuela.
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I'm sorry, but I think we're using the word differently. Anarchy means "without rulers" and you're describing a terrible situation with a tyrannical ruler. That's the opposite of anarchy. You're living the direct result of not having anarchy.
Anarchy means no rulers. It means we can't aggress against each other and the initiation of force is not an option. It means we have to coordinate and cooperate for mutual benefit.
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I said well. I meant the good sense of the word. It would seem that here there was not or there was a government, but there is, and they are communist thieves who are autocrats and tyrants who destroyed our country.
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I'm very sorry to hear that. The belief in authority is a vile, dangerous thing.
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I know brother, I know you are a very human man and with a good heart, I would also like to change the world, my friend @swissclive has spoken very well of you, and now I follow you and I sponsor as a witness in my post in English.
thank you for your good wishes. one day the world will be better.
Lo se hermano, se que eres un hombre muy humano y con buen corazón, yo también quisiera cambiar el mundo, mi amigo @swissclive me ha hablado muy bien de ti, y ahora te sigo y patrocino como testigo en mis post en ingles.
gracias por sus buenos deseos. llegaremos lejos algún día.
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The world will only be what we make of it. If we choose to accept the status quo and live under violent authority that is government, we will only get more of the same.
Thank you for your support.
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it is hardly the beginning. I'm going to work hard to make this a better place. I'll continue to support him as my witness in English.
tomorrow will be a great day.
If I can help you in any other way, do not hesitate to tell me. The only problem is that I am Hispanic and I do not speak English. I use a translator to communicate with you.
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Your communication has been fantastic. Thankfully, technology once again enables us to connect on a deeper level, in spite of our language barriers. Thank you for that effort.
(Google translate)
Tu comunicación ha sido fantástica. Afortunadamente, la tecnología una vez más nos permite conectarnos a un nivel más profundo, a pesar de nuestras barreras idiomáticas. Gracias por ese esfuerzo.
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This is one of the many things that excites me about blockchains and cryptocurrencies.
Really hoping Civic hits mainstream so at least my son might not have to worry about his identity being stollen.
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People need more self-confidence in order to free themselves from their rulers. They know that some of the rulers are corrupt, but they hesitate taking the initiative of changing things. They prefer to be ruled rather than standing up and creating their own future, and I believe it is because people in general are lacking in character and in self-confidence. Why this happens is something that would take a looong time to clarify.
It is a sort of Stockholm syndrome that many people are having.
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Indeed. It's sad how much we want to be ruled. I think a bit part of it comes from how we parent. Peaceful parenting is so important. We have to teach our kids to follow reason, logic, and evidence not positional authority.
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Yes, yes, and yes! It's about time we collectively shine the light on the shadows Government and those running it help create. There exists immense fear of exposure and vulnerability that will create more acts of diversion in society but core global consensus type networks are just a metaphor for the change that has started.
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I resteemed this awesome post.
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You hit the nail on the head, my friend. I'm mean look at politics and how many politicians are narcissistic/egotistical pricks! Literally any one you can think of! it's a sick world out there! Blockchain save us!!!
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Thanks for sharing this wonderful description @lukestokes
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All good in theory, but what to do with all those "non" peaceful types? They will always exist! In a sparsly populated world, anarchy would work, but in a densly populated society... never. There will always be a need for rule of law, of some sorts anyway.
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I think it would be accurate to say society needs regulation, I'm just not convinced centralized, monopoly regulation backed by threats of force is the most effective mechanism. We saw with the 2008 financial collapse how utterly terrible that "regulation" works. I won't repeat everything I've already said on this Facebook comment thread, but there are some good book recommendations there if you're curious about how this can work and practical examples like Detroit Threat Management.
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I guess the key factor in implementation of the law is "localized" or decentralized like you say. Threats of force is a little harsh, but there should be some deterrence to bad behavior and corruption. A utopian society we will never be. Will check out your recommended reads. Thanks.
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Cryptocurrency will not only change the world financial system, it will revolutionise several aspects of human life, on this planet. Wish all the best to cryptocurrency and those who believe in it and want real change in the world we live in today.
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Excellent summary of the position.
I heartily endorse every word.
Are you joining the steem growth forum, Luke?
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Yes, it's on my calendar. :)
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Thats amazing post. Thankx for sharing
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Pretty much agree with everything here, but I do not consider myself an anarchist (perhaps I would say libertarian/classical liberal). This 'backed by threats of force' thing sounds very dramatic, and so easy to take a position against in the abstract - but I think it is misleading. If everyone has hit Maslow's peak of the pyramid, and effectively reached a state of transcendent self-realisation, then sure, forceful intervention against transgressors becomes mute, and pure anarchy will be simply a description of how things naturally are in social relationships. BUT... - right? As long as we're not there, force can be legitimately exercised in protection of natural rights and justice. How such force is legitimately exercised is, I would say, a matter of free agreement in each community - yes, our current political communities are far too large and centralised, and hence anti-democratic, and a radical devolution of power is inevitable if civilisation is to progress, and not collapse. Anarchism is surely, practically-speaking, only a reality in a society that wouldn't even need to talk about it, and so wearing it as a political posture/badge here, now, in this... - seems to me to be begging unnecessary questions, distracting from excellent questions (ie how do we best organise legitimate exercise of force), and undermining the credibility of good ideas that you clearly possess. Db
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I respect your position, but let me ask you a question: in your day-to-day life, how many decisions are made under coercion and how many are made via voluntary, mutually beneficial market forces? Government doesn't tell you where you'll eat lunch, where you'll buy gas, what clothes you'll buy, who you will date, etc, etc. Anarchy is the normal state of existence.
The opposition to that equilibrium is what stands out so much to me. Distorted markets, revolving door politics, regulatory capture, victimless "crimes," modern slavery / work camps that is the prison industrial complex... the list goes on and on. Organizations like Detroit Threat Management give us a model for what we could do through voluntary, non-monopoly means.
If you believe no human being has a justified right to rule over another human being who is not aggressing against anyone else then you have a "no rulers" worldview. It would be accurate to say you are an anarchist.
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hehe - right back at you, but with an added spin. Classical liberalism, certainly in my reckoning, gives you the same result. There is no inherent ruler required for this, simply the fundamental building blocks of rights/duties mutuality implicit in all public interaction. I argue that anarchism doesn't spell this out, it remains implicit, and once it is spelled out - you find out that you're a classical liberal in a different coloured vest who hasn't done the work yet.
Your hitlist - distorted markets, revolving door politics, regulatory capture, victimless crimes, slavery - all variations on transgressions against rights/duties and natural law principles. I believe this is inevitable when the naturally functional political population limit is exceeded - regardless of what you label your system. (You may be familiar with the concept of 'Koinonia'). So let's say, somewhat arbitrarily, any social grouping of over 100,000 members inevitably loses 'equilibrium' because individual members can no longer fully participate without having their legitimate voice in choice making diluted. The number may be far lower - or maybe with some organisation higher.
So, from my perspective, the difference between us here is one of labels - but my label, classical liberalism, has centuries of development, practical as well as theoretical, and is intuitively accessible to hundreds of millions if not billions alive, right now. A 'bill of rights/obligations' makes sense to billions - it spells out strict parameters for where social obligation and mutuality operates centred from the sovereign individual, hence no rulers. Now if formulations of anarchism have this too- great - but if so, why would we need to call it anarchism, the theory is already here and been practically developed? We can continually refresh and consent and revise our rights/obligations as evolution, personal and social, require. You say anarchy is the normal state of existence - fine - and now you have to go through explaining to everyone why this is. I say freedom is the normal state of existence - and looking at what you wrote, that is precisely what you meant, you appear to agree with me. Classical Liberalism covers it - anarchism just begs questions and confuses conversations with those who have no interest in learning political theory, but would benefit from a quick grasp of a system that seems to benefit all. Db
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Ah, great discussion!
The reason I would prefer explicitly using the label anarchy or voluntaryism over classical liberalism (which I'm also a big fan of, as you can probably tell) is that from my understanding classical liberalism leads to minarchy. It's like asking how much cancer would you like to leave in the body. When the option for any "ruler" is still on the table, then we eventually get distortions of power. The United States started as an experiment in what many might call minarchy or classical liberalism. As a constitutional republic, it either was powerless to prevent the largest military empire the world has ever known or it directly led to its existence. For that reason, looking at history, I want to use different labels and try different mechanisms for social organization while being very clear about the base rules: no rulers.
Yes, we will have rules. Yes, we will have structure. It will be hyper local and voluntary. As you say, in large groups, things break down unless we rely on simple rules to build emergent properties which work at scale. To me, that's what the blockchain enables.
That said, I fully appreciate and respect your criticism that anarchy is simply classical liberalism without doing the hard work beforehand. I'd instead say it relies more on order out of chaos principles we see in nature instead of trying to prematurely optimize or build structure which can end up hindering a dynamic, chaotic system.
Also, on a basic level, if classical liberalism allows for military rulers or for people with a monopoly on the initiation of force within a geographic region, then it breaks down for me logically because I don't think any individual has that right and I don't know how any individual could logically create a process to delegate a right they don't have.
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nicely put. Ah, this is good, we have a solid point of disagreement here among the congruence, and I hadn't thought it through before so I have an opportunity to maybe learn something important. Here's the rub: I don't believe in setting out political theories that define what arrangements individual sovereign beings can or cannot put in place in a given context, as long as what they put in place sticks to the founding principles that wholed (deliberate) the edifice together. It is interesting - you seem to be limiting sovereign freedom to agree to set up monopoly on the inititation of force in a given context - in the name of preserving freedom. It is not individuals that give that right, contrary to your fear - like all legitimate social arrangements, that decision is a product of the decision making process of sovereign right holders.
If you hold, from the outset, that sovereign right holders cannot decide to do this, how can sovereign right holders agree to use force to enforce rights and obligations? Where is law and order? Your policemen have a monopoly on the use of force delegated in a specific context when they tackle violent crime. How is this different for military rule in a specific context? Cake and eat it comes to mind. The beauty of rights/duties theories is that they are crucially deontological - they lay down principle prior to all context, and have nothing, whatsoever, to say about contexts that emerge later - that is down to evolution/reassertion/revision, which has its proper place.
This is why the Bush era onwards dilution of rights because of national emergency (right!) is illegal and illegitimate. Rights and obligations kick in, powerfully, when it is hard to have them - not when it is easy - that is the difference between authoritarian states (which US post-Bush certainly is - likely much earlier) and genuinely Liberal ones. Yes, sovereign right holders have the right to delegate force monopolies in specific contexts- and they equally have the right to then withdraw consent when the context changes. That is exactly why the Deep State is constantly working behind the scenes to maintain international disorder (context), to stop the legitimate right holders of the planet from withdrawing their consent to their monopoly of force. Their behaviour is illegal, they should properly be dismantled and arrested. This is a practical law application failure (Koinonia!), not a failure of theory.
Your position, if I read it correctly, is consequentialist - and that means that fundamentally you cannot build it on rights/duties theory, and we cannot have rights. Yet, I think you want them as an anarchist, or you're screwed. So which is it - can we right holders delegate context specific force and then withdraw it when context changes - or must our freedom to protect our basic sovereignty be sacrificed on the alter of your consequentialist fears? That's why I think anarchism hasn't thought this through, and you sound just like a Classical Liberal to me... Drum roll....
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I don't think "rights" are a "truth" just like many big "T" Truths people like to believe exist. I think it all comes about by social consensus (which is again why I'm such a fan of blockchain technologies which are designed to achieve consensus).
More on that here: What If There Is No Big "T" Truth?
You mentioned "monopoly" a few times in your comment.
Why?
I don't agree. Why does it have to be a monopoly and not a group of competing service providers, all striving to best meet the best interpretation of the social consensus?
I could go on, but maybe this video will best explain what I'd prefer to see instead of monopolies.
To answer your question:
YES! But not to a monopoly maintained purely through funds stolen form individuals. I much prefer regulation that actually works such as the emergent property of order out of chaos due to simple rules (Non Aggression Principle, self-ownership, Philosophy of Liberty, etc) which evolve through competition in the marketplace.
I'm not familiar with Koinonia, but if your solution involves belief in a deity, we may already miss each other there as I gave up eternity.
Also, please, don't call them "your policemen." To me, they are violent gang members. Thug enforcers of the state. Detroit Threat Management is a much better solution, IMO.
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Red herrings and misunderstanding here: I didn’t claim ‘rights’ as a ‘truth’ – I don’t need to. I claim ‘rights’ as the foundational building block of a viable political theory that achieves what we want – personal freedom-(or yours-equilibrium) among sovereign, interdependent beings. This Truth as absolute argument is a total red herring. Think about it – I point out, clearly, that rights can evolve and be revised. Equally – this argument from you is functionally self-contradictory, again red herring, it gets us nowhere, e.g., My Big T truth is that there is no Big T truth. Wordplay and an unnecessary distraction.
You claim I keep using the term ‘monopoly’ as though this had nothing to do with your argument. I refer you back to your own words – quote “if classical liberalism allows for military rulers or for people with a monopoly on the initiation of force… … then it breaks down for me logically…” So, just responding to you in your own terms, this is right at the heart of your issue here - and clarifying my disagreement with your conclusions – go back and check.
Okay, let’s cut through this ‘…But not to a monopoly maintained purely through funds stolen from individuals. I much prefer regulation that actually works such as the emergent property of order out of chaos..’ etc, etc. Okay, again you are basically spelling out that you want to establish a functioning political system – fine – your (T)truths are ‘non-aggression principle, self-ownership, philosophy of liberty… which evolve through competition… etc, etc . So tell me – how do any of these ‘truths’ you are touting here contradict Classical Liberalism? Isn’t that exactly what I’ve been saying to you since the very outset? The moment you codify these (T) truths formally, you go right into rights/duties theory. You’re just dodging the work – rather – you’ve misdiagnosed the problem and are making a lot of unnecessary work for yourself, and that work has, delightfully – let’s celebrate this - already been done.
Hehehe – Koinonia isn’t a deity. Check it out. It is partly as I described, it comes from Classical Greek thought – there is a limit to how many members of a properly functioning political society we can have. The moment we cross that threshold – which is quantitative and qualitative – function breaks down, and even the best of founding principles (i.e. Classical Liberalism) will break down with it. FYI – I’m not a believer in anything, I’m a provisional knower, open to new data. You gave up eternity – that sounds like something lost, and like belief turned into its antithesis, disbelief. Two sides of the same trap. Speculation – is there a displacement here, your current belief in anarchism, a surrogate ‘eternity’?
Again – ‘don’t call them ‘your policemen’ … they are a violent gang…. Quite. My point is very simple – when social function breaks down, what should be legally appointed keepers of the peace for right-holders easily morph into ‘violent gang members’. As I pointed out to you last time, this is an issue of proper application of existing law – in this instance, they are only policemen in name (so not what I was writing about, you misrepresent me here) but are, as you rightly say, criminals. You appear to be dodging this relevant distinction for emotional effect rather than addressing the actual point.
My problem here is that you appear to be misdiagnosing the illness. You believe the ailment is the political theory, and that your replacement theory, anarchism, is the cure. I am pointing out that anarchism is just Classical Liberalism that simply hasn’t fleshed out its assumptions, and so at best it is a pure distraction when there are far better things to place our attention on. You have not, anywhere here, addressed this; you have just restated your opposition in scrambled format without addressing my laid-out objections.
Our societies are vastly over-centralised, with a tiny ruling oligarchy and masses of mind-numbed slaves – what we need is a dramatic devolution of political power to allow proper, responsive, sovereign-right/duty holder citizenship. We can make a start on this by being vocal supporters of Classical Liberalism, and arresting the criminal oligarchy who are clinging to power through illegal psychological and physical thuggery. In this context, calls to anarchism strike me as pure naivety, plays right into their hands, and does nothing for us. Classical Liberalism is one of the finest creations of the human species, ever – and it requires precisely this devolution of power (Koinonia) in order to function. You are evidently judging the so-called liberalism in its authoritarian disguise that is prevalent throughout the immature West as exemplifying Classical Liberalism. It does not – it dresses itself up like it to borrow credibility, but this pink-lipsticked pig is a criminal, oligarchy-driven sham. In a world overflowing with semi-educated authoritarian-minded children, the maturity of real Liberalism is constantly misunderstood and misapplied – and then everyone blames and dismisses Liberalism, or sometimes attempts to reformulate it in ill-considered terms. This is a knee-jerk; yours, thus far, is a fine example of the more highly refined versions of this reflex.
I’m happy to continue thrashing this out with you if you wish, but this last offering from you read far more like emotional attachment to pet beliefs than a serious attempt to address what I’m actually trying to convey – just my impression, mirrors are immensely valuable, however imperfect. Db
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Sorry, I didn't put as much time into my last reply as I should have. Usually when people talk about "rights" a lot, they are thinking in terms of the absolute existence of them, which is why I responded as I did (I've had many of these conversations before). I have no intention of putting red herrings out there, but this is the natural of non-real time communication. We respond to what we think we're reading and there isn't an opportunity for real-time correction and feedback.
I think we agree more than we disagree and I also should have a better understanding of what you mean by Classical Liberalism and Koinonia to have a more constructive dialogue. From what little I understand now, it seems those are very similar to voluntaryism except they allow for a ruler to be put in place. Maybe I'm wrong about that. I didn't see your response to my point about the minarchy/classical liberalism ideals leading to the U.S. military industrial complex we have today. Yes, you can argue those ideals got off the rails and that's what caused the problem, but we've heard similar arguments from those who argue for the "ideal" of communism and complain it was an implementation problem that caused all that human suffering.
I'm not convinced voluntary, mutually beneficial actions are the best way forward, but I certainly hold that opinion currently. I don't call my ideals "Truths" with a big T, but I do think they are pretty darn compelling and I'm certainly open to something better if it exists given the current context of reality.
Possibly. I still want to improve the world which may have some evangelical "Jesus savior complex" world view roots to it.
I see politics as a way for managing power over others. I see anarchism not as a political philosophy but the appreciation that this approach is fundamentally flawed as it leads to corrupt centralization of power over time. You may think everything will do that as it's part of nature, but that's where us reading a lot of the same books may help such as Rothbard's For a New Liberty, a Libertarian Manifesto.
Either way, these are fun conversations, but we'd both probably get more out of them if they were dynamic in nature via video chat or something. Maybe we could do that at some point in the future. :)
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I like how you chose to say peaceful, more people need to realize anarchy is about peacefulness. There's so many preconceived notions people have about it that gives it such a violent and disturbing reputation. But that's just how the deceivers planned it :(
There's a great difference between removing the infectious people, and random lawless violence.
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Yes indeed. Control of language has an incredible control on thinking.
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peaceful anarchy makes better sense than anarchy to me and i can connect with the idea and values -- rock on -David
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Making a deal with the devil...
an apropos statement when dealing with psychopaths that infest the tops of all pyramids.
Its not that we believe in a politicians words, but it is that we would like to believe them. But, the devil cannot give love. Could never give love. And so, likewise, we send a group to washington to have compassion for the people, but they have no compassion. They can only pretend they are compassionate. They love to be seen as compassionate. But, there is none there. It is not a losing bet. It is bet that was lost before it was even cast.
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Interesting post. I wonder with the many inovations via the blockchain if we will even recognize our world even 10 yrs. from now.
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It does seem like the world as we have previously known it is slowly coming undone at the seams. It would be nice to think that blockchain technology gives anarchy that "certain something" it perhaps previously lacked... an effective tool for functionality; something to bridge the gap between "idealism" and "how we live with this in the world."
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Things look bad, for sure, but read some Steven Pinker for encouragement. Factually, we're living in the best time in human history ever. Violent deaths are down, life expectancy is up, infant mortality is down, our circle of influence is expanding. It s a great time to be alive.
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nice politic vsion, there is short posting on politic contain. has long time ago the political always running on anarchy's menu. The violence just a complete set of drama and beautiful game. I can tell you two word. "winner" and "games". how smart you can drive the games for the best winner.... no rule and no mercy. No friendships immortal but just only common interest. have nice day bro.
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Freedom gives birth to anarchy, anarchy leads to despotism and despotism brings back freedom.
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Despotism works if people believe in the myth of authority. For most of human history, our tribalism has brought about that loop. I think this may be the first opportunity we have to fully break free of it.
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In a perfect world your idea of peaceful anarchy will work. The elites won't like it very much, but I too think there is a trend toward that direction. Thanks for your post.
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Sick minds and souls who want to dominate folks...
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There is no Utopia...chasing perfection is a middle class myth...glad the world has flaws, it would be much less interesting without them
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I'm not arguing for Utopia and I'm not chasing perfection. Excellence is something different and by striving for it, we can always improve the world around us. There will always be flaws, but they can less destructive as we expand our circle of empathy. Humans use to put cats in bags and burn them for entertainment. They used to take the family to the local hangings for fun. I'm glad we, as a species, have moved beyond those practices (along with many other horrific forms of torture which used to be commonplace). Do we still have issues? Of course, and we always will. That doesn't mean we can't move things forward which improve human wellbeing and help us accomplish more interesting things as a species, such as exploring the universe.
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So true...
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Well said, I have a serious problem with those who awaken with a desire to rule others.
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