RE: The Myth of Authority

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The Myth of Authority

in anarchy •  7 years ago 

I'm so sorry to hear you associate those terrible things with the concept of "no rulers". To me, riots are caused by mobs who are led to destruction by charismatic leaders/rulers. Insurrections and assassinations are similarly carried out by those who feel they can rule over others and violate the non-aggression principle whenever they feel like it.

The world is chaotic, as is nature. It will never be controlled and, to me, much of the harm we see with regards to human wellbeing comes from those who are trying to control something which can not be controlled, so they resort to violence and oppression. The free market, for example, can not (and should not) be controlled, but it can greatly increase human wellbeing.

I know nothing about Nigeria and the corrupt government you have to deal with, but might it be possible the troubles you face are not from individuals voluntarily interacting for mutual self-interest but instead from authority figures who try to rule and control others? What if the seeds of authoritarian thinking lead to the corrupt government or the warlords who use violence?

Maybe the problem really is the myth that authority exists. Maybe we should all accept there are no rulers, and it's up to each and every one of us to live at peace with ourselves and our neighbors to improve the world around us.

I hope to travel the world in the future and get a wider perspective on my views. It's easy for me to sit in my comfortable USA life and think my ideas will work anywhere else as well. I know that's idealistic. I don't intend to be pretentious or presumptuous, but I do think the basic ideas of self-ownership and the NAP are universal and always helpful.

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I am sorry I am not agreeing with you presently and I hope you will not hate me for that. if we all agree that there should be rulers do you think we can all live in peace with one another. Would there be orderliness? you said the trouble we face may not be from individuals voluntarily interacting for mutual self interest but I think it is. the government is a body made up of individuals. We change government every four years in my country nigeria and everybody goes into power for the selfish interest. Spare a little time to go through this. Where nigerian looters hide money

List of looters in nigeria

These set of people are individuals with different thinking they do all these things because they want to do it it. It is a personal decision. It is not because they are people under a body called government that they do all this it is because they have decided that that is what they want to do. I want to tell you that i strongly despise the government in my country. let us assume that there is no government in my country nigeria, a lot of bad people my country nigeria would commit more heinous crimes if there is no governmenr , please go through these

Cult killings
Kidnapping

Kidnapping 2

Church killings

These crimes were committed by individuals. There are more of them that i will not be able to share because of time. It will be catastrophic to allow people have free will. The world will be dead in days.
Who would control those nuclear weapons. Who would stop individuals from making them?

I'm truly sorry to hear of the violent troubles in your country. When I speak of voluntaryism and "no rulers" anarchy, I don't mean to imply evil people doing evil will somehow cease, I do mean it could possibly change for the better. Violent gangs and corrupt governments have the principle of violence-backed authority at thier core.

It is possible to have safety and security without government. Here's an example: Detroit Threat Management: #Anarchy in Detroit, Part II.

Is it possible something like this could work in Nigeria as well?

Nuclear weapons are created by governments and I don't just see governments as a collection of individuals because they claim rights no individual has such as initiating violence force against peaceful people.

I don't intend to make light of the terrible things going on where you are. I just want to explore alternative solutions which don't give us the same results we've been getting. More on that here: The Loop: Why Voting and Revolutions Don't Work. I skimmed through some of the articles you linked to and they are gruesome and terribly troubling. I'm not convinced giving more power to centralized corrupt governments is a good solution because you're likely to get more of the same problems.

What if instead we allow the free market to work and incentivize things like blockchain technology, cryptocurrency, private security, and neighborhood voluntary agreements of mutual aid and support?

If we continue to see rulers as the answer to the problems of being violently ruled by others, we will continue to get the same poor results.

And no, I don't hate you at all, especially not for disagreeing with me. I value that very much. You have a perspective on your country I could never know and all my ideals and ideas mean little if they don't actually work on the ground in the real world. Thank you for sharing your perspective.

If interested, here's a video which gives another perspective on how things might function without a government with monopoly control:

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Who would have the power over dawn defence?. What if they have decided to use force?. What if he was innocent? What if Tanna justice supported bill even after finding out he was guilty? What if it had resulted into a war? Who decides who is guilty in a free state? Then what do we call the person that decides ones fate?

Did you watch the video on conflict resolution within a free society? I think it covers many of your questions. If businesses don't provide good service or act in ways that are not in the best interests of their communities, they will no longer gain business. People will use competitors. That's what separates a business from a government in that a government has a monopoly on services and it supports that monopoly with the threat of violent force. Businesses have to earn trust voluntarily. Now, often, we see governments creating non-natural monopolies for certain corporate business interests at the expense of individuals, but that's not really a fault of business as much as it's a fault of the system made available to them through lobbies and regulations. For more on that see regulatory capture and revolving door politics.

Your questions display a desire to have an ultimate authority. I don't mean to offend you, but this is the same thinking children have when they need their mom or dad to define reality for them and set the rules. Adults figure things out via consensus. Laws are in many ways emergent properties of rational consensus on morality and human wellbeing. At least, from a common law perspective, that's what they are supposed to be. When we start thinking in terms of authoritarianism where some person gets to decide, we run into real problems. Instead, we should be relying on principles based in reason, logic, and evidence. Ideas which are morally sound and supported by the communities in which they are used.

I watched the video. And you answered my question with this

. If businesses don't provide good service or act in ways that are not in the best interests of their communities, they will no longer gain business. People will use competitors.

But i am not sure if it will work out in my country

But i am not sure if it will work out in my country

I'd love to know more about why not. Could it be because people are programmed from birth to believe the myth of authority and that programming puts rulers in place which end up harming people?

When I think about these things, I think the change has to happen first in people's thinking long before we can see it work in physical reality.

Any slightest chance we have here. We also overuse. We have a lot of ritualist in my country. Imagine this set of ppl been giving freedom. Allowed be behave the way they want.

I like your theory and it is beginning sound interesting to me. My belief can be changed through you but first i need to consider the pros and cons