Question: How do you deal with people like me who disagree?
I don't see what you could disagree with. Unlike anarcho-capitalism, anarcho-socialism is not asking you to believe in anything that should be enforced (such as private property rights).
If you go on a rampage, you will be dealt with, as in pretty much any society. Even today, if you go to the main square and start attacking people, I'm fairly sure people would soon overwhelm and incapacitate you (unless of course everyone just stands around waiting for the almighty state to fix it for them, which is sadly not a completely unrealistic scenario these days).
Other than that, people can and will disassociate from those that are 'unpleasant'. Not only would you find yourself lonely, but there are also a lot of human goals that simply can not be achieved alone without association and cooperation, so you would be missing out on all that.
As for your very survival: you wouldn't need to steal food for example. You are free to take it. But what do you do once you have taken it? I mean, you can not possibly spend a lifetime not producing anything useful. And what if you try to take food but there is none? You will have to produce some, if not for society, then simply for your own survival.
And that's exactly the whole point: take what you need, produce to your abilities.
What if I am the only person that knows how to make a certain thing and the one with the abilities and I'd rather do something else?
Then you would certainly want to share your knowledge, teach it to others, if not for the good of society then simply for the respect and appreciation of others. Would you rather go fishing and die with your unique knowledge? You're free to do so.
Utopian Dreams they presume upon the notion that human nature does not exist as it currently does.
I think most of what you consider human nature develops when people are introduced to a society with mistguided values, such as private property, money, profit, social hierarchies.
I believe fundamental human nature to be curious (exploration, technology, sciences) and social (seek respect and appreciation of others, avoid harming fellow humans) above all. That is, once the basic physiological needs are met. But there are enough resources (especially with today's knowledge and technology) to satisfy everyone's basic needs for survival.
Having written this all out, now I realize this is kind of in line with the maslow pyramid, which further reinforces my assumptions.
I do believe such a goal may be achievable at some point, but again this illustrates why I say Ancap could exist before Ancom
So you believe ancap to be a gateway to ancom? What are your true ideals then? ;)
If I need a specific type of chip to make and invention, who is going to make it? How do I requisition this chip so I can take it from the public.
You interact with others and form associations. It's not like they're busy mass producing those chips for profit. You simply convince them that it's worth producing the resources needed for your goal, and they will be likely happy to assist you. You can then acquire the resources together and do the research together. You exchange knowledge and satisfy your human needs of both curiousity and socialization in the process. And as an added bonus, you might even end up producing something ground-breaking for society!
And that's also a prime example of how 'producing to your abilities' doesn't necessarily have to feel like 'work' as we know it today, and doesn't necessarily have to be separate from fun/leisure activites.
I'm not going to go making things to improve the surroundings around me to only have anyone that so desires come along and drag them off somewhere else.
Again, you communicate and associate with others. You carved something pretty? Others like it too and they wish to enjoy the scenery? Why not put it somewhere more prominent, so it's there for anyone to admire instead of keeping it in your garden. Wouldn't that make you feel better? People admiring your creation in masses? And people who share your interests in carvings would simply move closer to you. Then in the extreme case, the whole area could be sorrounded by carvings and populated by fellow carvers and admirers.
If there are tons of potatoes already and you chose that to do then you'd better know some other way to compete either by lesser labor, higher quality, better service/delivery, etc.
But if you know a better way, wouldn't it be better to share it with everyone? Collectively, everyone would have to spend less time producing potatoes then. Again, cooperation over competition. Do you also support intellectual property rights? In an anarcho-communist society, anyone improving the efficiency of anything overall benefits everyone else. But the individual who causes the improvement, gets the additional benefit of respect, appreciation and the internal sense of achievement, having made a mark on the world.
Even today, I would like to think not all eg. doctors or scientists are in the business primarily/purely for money. There is indeed work that most people don't enjoy but must be done. But if noone is doing it x hours a day as wage-labor, but instead people take turns as needed, bring and share their ideas on how to make it more efficient or automate it, and try to make it more fun, no work is so terrible. For example, noone I know particularly enjoys hauling shit at construction sites. Yet, buildings are needed. But if everyone instead of wasting their energy at the gym for hours each week helped out at a construction site to stay fit and socialize, and they all brought their ideas on how to make it more efficient, the very same work would feel a lot different than today.
With regards to having anarcho-communism inside anarcho-capitalism: the more I think about it, the more I tend to agree that you're in fact right, it would be possible.
Each side of this discussion primarily has their preferred stance on how property is handled. That is primarily the dividing line.
I think it goes deeper than that. My the most profound problem with anarcho-capitalism is that it tries to abstract over fundamental human values in order to provide a more logical, scientifically reasonable incentive system (money and private property) to replace the values themselves. It tries to numerically measure human production and need, and presents it as the true value system. But as with any abstraction, the deeper meaning is lost by the very act of abstracting over it. It misleads people into believing that the accumulation of money and private property are the source of status, happiness and welfare instead of esteem, self-actualization and other intrinsic human values. And this flawed abstraction also leads to inequality and inefficiency.
If you litter your private property with cigarette butts, and pay someone to clean it up, does their work have value? In a capitalist sense, it does. Yet I hold that it doesn't. What would have value is if you stopped throwing away your cigarette butts.
As a software engineer, I was paid rather well to develop a payment backend for an online sports betting/casino system, simply because they didn't want to pay 3% or whatever on every transaction to any of the gazillion existing payment system providers. In my opinion, my work did not have any value. And it certainly wasn't worth multiple times the work of the food delivery guy, who takes food to people who would otherwise be unable to get it.
So no, I don't think the difference is private property. The difference is the freedom to live by your own value system vs blindly believing in a flawed material abstraction.
Do you realize one thing? Based upon your answers that basically come down to take what you need, if there is not enough produce more.
This would work in a primitive society with primitive needs as pretty much anyone could be taught all the necessary steps necessary to produce goods. Yet as you leave the primitive world and start going into objects that are produced from many many different components and the impossibility of any one person knowing how to build all of those components, knowing how many are needed, etc. This simplistic take what you need, if there are not enough doesn't work.
First it presumes there are piles of what you need sitting somewhere, or the flip side that there are no piles and you produce them as you need them. One way to fight the unpredictability would be when you need something, you could make 10 of them (picking the number just for an example). This theoretically leaves 9 extra. Producing those 10 likely used resources. Now it is likely this would produce another race condition where something else that needed those resources may need them, but they are no longer there because they are tied up in the 9 extra products sitting there. This is easy to contemplate with simple object, but take a quick scan around the room you are sitting in. Consider everything in there, the raw resources came from somewhere, and likely went through several layers of process, numerous stages of transportation, and acquisition of many different components, and each of those components came from similar production chains, and as you contemplate it gets huge. That is just in your one room.
The market, currency, and supply and demand address this issue without needing to try to have humans GUESS or even MATHEMATICALLY attempt to predict what is going to be needed, when, and where and insuring those things happen. In a market there is supply and demand and there are race conditions. Those race considerations are typically (though not always - depends upon the source) resolved by price. Other considerations come into play too. You might want 5 WIDGIT42s now and will pay me 10 currency. I have a regular customer who buys 1 WIDGIT42 per month at 9 currency. Do I go for the quick 50 currency, or is it more beneficial to stick with my 9 per month and end up with 108 currency per year? Can I come to a compromise and offer the guy that wants 5 only 4, if he will not agree to that is there a way I can produce 6. This all is solved at the site, not in some room where someone is mathematically calculating needs. Furthermore, if a disaster happens and cuts off access to a resource, in the market the person needing the resource can work on solving the problems with that part of the chain, it does not again need to go back to some guy doing math in a room who rearranges the flow of things.
You see you can say things that emotionally FEEL good, and yes it does FEEL great the idea that everyone is treated equal, but HOW that is accomplished in the big scheme of things is just as important as the small scheme of things. I do think the ideas you propose could work in small primitive societies, yet as you start to leave that it becomes based more on the fact someone with skills MIGHT train someone else in his skills because it is for the GOOD of all.
This again assumes all people have such motivations. It is NOT just how society and culture introduce these things. As I stated before you can see these same property behaviors occurring in animals and pretty much any other species. You could perhaps point out bee hives, or ant colonies as where this is not the case. At least as long as no other ant colony encroaches upon them.
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But people actually communicate and form associations to work towards larger goals (such as producing complex goods with many components). We even have technology today to communicate at ~the speed of light. You don't actually have to walk to some huge stockpile and put/remove items. There's no guy doing math in some room.
The free market requires inventories and communication. Does that mean you always walk to a place called 'the market' and report your needs/surplus to some guy doing calculations in a room?
When you look around you find a lot of stuff that was advertised to you as some kind of golden ticket to your happiness but you don't actually need them. And even the things you need sit idle and unused in the vast majority of the time. So I would argue that this fixation on production for profit and the resulting consumerism is actually an artifact of capitalism.
You can also see groups of animals hunting together and sharing the prey. But then again, you can also see them eat their own offsprings and leave the weak/injured/old to die.
And most animal species I know of are not particularly aware of the larger scale of things, they are incapable of comprehending anything beyond their local environment and cooperating over large distances. I think you get the point.
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Quick response... all the time I have at the moment.
I believe your point was basically. "Apples and Oranges" Am I correct?
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In short, yes.
I'd also like to add to my previous comment that what you brought up here really seems to be about scarcity (aside from logistics, but i've already addressed that).
I believe scarcity manifests itself in the free market as 'extremely high price / unavailable' and in anarcho-communism as 'running low / unavailable'. But the meaning is kind of the same: to get such objects, more effort and time must to be invested.
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