The Old Dog Asks: Is College or University The Only, The Better Way? What About Apprenticeships?

in apprenticeship •  8 years ago  (edited)

First of all let me preface this article by saying that I studied Industrial Design for three years at college and I also have a University Bachelors degree in Education. In this moment I am not using anything that I learned to do a specific job but I am using many little skills in my role as a serial entrepreneur.

Here is a Short News Item That Inspired Me to Write This Article:

"Who Needs College? - Alternative Paid Apprenticeships Guarantee Jobs" 


How Apprenticeships Work in Switzerland. My Own Experience 

Young people and parents are faced with decisions about work, education, careers and well, just surviving. Time, money, student loans and job prospects all come into the equation.

There are apprenticeships available in literally hundreds of fields including office work, sales, computer programming, banking, many different trades etc…

I must say that we were actually relieved when our son told us that he wanted to enter an apprenticeship doing something where he could work with his hands. Here in Switzerland, for him, that meant entering the workforce in his 14th/15th year. He chose a 4 year program to become a licensed electrician and I'd like to explain how it works and give you the positives and the negatives.

First: there was a 3 hour logic and aptitude exam that he had to pass in order to be accepted into the 4 year program which includes network systems, fibre optics, phone systems etc.. If you don't get a high enough result you can take a 3 year program which has less physics and if your result is too low they suggest that you do something else.

Second: As parents we had to find a job for him. We called around and looked for places that would let him do a trial for up to a week. His secondary school allowed 3 of these trials and then he also did a few during his summer holidays. From these trials two companies offered him a contract and we chose what we thought was the better one.

He is now in his third year with a huge international company called ALPIQ and is treated very well.

Some of The Main Points of The Program.

  • There are 10 day cycles with 7 days of work and then 3 days of school on a regular rotation.
  • He is paid 13 times a year as follows. First year $526/month, second year $724/month, third year $887/month, fourth year $1,112/month. The 13th pay is a bonus payment.
  • Every year he is sent to do 2 weeks of practical work at a special school. The purpose is to make sure that he has not missed any specific skill at his place of work.
  • He has to keep a diary of every job that he does each day and include diagrams. This is checked and graded.
  • He has 5 weeks of paid vacation plus a few vacation days for Christmas, New Years, etc…
  • At the end of the fourth year there is an exam and if he passes he becomes a licensed electrician.
  • If he wants to go to University later he must first do one year of full time school which is called "maturity".
  • The apprenticeship organization pays for public transportation to work and school. 

What Are The Positives?

  • He gets paid and learns to manage money.
  • He has learned to have a good work ethic
  • It has helped him to mature a lot.
  • He can be, if he wishes, self sufficient at the age of 18
  • Instead of just having a high school diploma he will be licensed in a trade at the same age.
  • He has a new mentor every 6 months and so the work done and the location changes.

The lab work at the special school is great! Each student does his/her own project!

What Are The Negatives?

  • The decision as to what apprenticeship to do comes at a very early age and so it's not easy.
  • The work is at times hard for a young person. He starts at 7 am and works till 5 pm with an hour for lunch.
  • He no longer has a summer vacation and long school breaks. When school is off he works!
  • Since any EU citizen can apply for an apprenticeship young kids are competing for placements with adults. There is heavy competition.


During early fases of construction the work can be tough albeit interesting!


All in all as parents we are thrilled with the program and the results and our son is quite pleased with his choice.

Points for Discussion

  • How are the apprenticeship programs in your country?
  • Do you find them to be a good alternative to High School, College and University?
  • Any questions? Fire away!


I hope that you enjoyed this look at alternatives to high school and university.


Until next time,


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A wonderful and timely article. My son-in-law entered the plumbing apprenticeship program a year ago. After he graduates, he'll be making more than double what he could earn in most entry level white-color jobs with four year university degree. His benefits and retirement can't be beat either. Factor in the devastation that artificial intelligence will cause in most white-color sectors in the coming years and the unbelievable cost of college tuition....I think the trades are really a smart choice here in the U.S.

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Wow, very intersting! As I mentioned the door to University is still open for a Licensed trade person if they so choose. Another alternative is night school courses to become specialised in a certain area.

I have to admit that an apprenticeship is by all standard of what I believe to be the fastest and most efficient way to teach children from the age of 13 or so! Schools, in the format we find them now, simply can't compete with the efficiency of such an idea and, thus, slows down our progress as a society. As you can red, I am highly positively biased toward apprenticeships and it is by the studies and documentaries I came across that I am aware of such fact.

I'm glad you son was able to find a shoe that fits to his liking, so to speak. Even more interesting are the side effects of this program which allows him to mature so much faster and in a very healthy manner, including the work ethics. Everyone wins! Joy... I strongly believe such programs are highly suited for any levels from high school and higher levels and everyone would win if we were to apply this method to all levels of teaching as it increases the leaning retention, speeds it up and also brings about a facet of the human relationships that are not only urgent to look at right now, but almost mandatory: People NEED to work with others, we can't forgo that one. Therefore, learning to work with others, even if the group is very small, definitely enhances our potential toward more sustainable human relationships!

You ask the question about the state of the apprenticeships programs in our country, I wish I'd know. Maybe this coming summer will be this perfect timing for me to delve in to this matter as I'll be looking for a job, now that' I'll be living on Vancouver Island with my Sweet Beloved. Maybe someone reading this post is from Canada and would have a clear answer positively pushing me toward a program I'd love to dive into?!?

Thanks for another good post that poked my interest. All for one and one for all! Namaste :)

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I have to admit, I have been known to be a motivator and even sometimes a trouble maker because of it. I do prefer your coined new title though!

Thanks, namaste :)

Hmmm, let me think??? I can get a Liberal Arts degree (with a focus on Lesbian Dance Theory) and spend the rest of my life living in my parent's basement...or, I can go to welding school and earn $50 an hour right out of the blocks...Sounds like too much work- Lesbian Dance Theory, hands down!

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No, but I am now...honest!!!

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When I was 14, I would chose this type of apprenticeship without hesitation. However, we don't have such option in Hungary.

Apprenticeship here is pretty much equal with study theories all day and doing some free work for the school and be happy if you can do some labor or real work sometimes... And they (the gov.) are wondering why apprenticeship is not popular.

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Yes when I was in Canada it wasn't very developed either. That was 22 years ago. Thanks for having a look!

a flying post Mr. Bones - good one - I actually thought moving to Switzerland some years ago. Nice little country with some hurdles to overcome but the pros are more as the cons!

Thanks @uwelang! So good to have you take a look and comment!

Wao! You are really correct man. I was even researching on an equivalent topic which i will post soon.

As for me college degree is important. Our people said ""he who lack education missed alot"". But education is not all about going to school. Even as an applentice is still part of education but in the other way round. But all in all everyone must not have college degree, the most important thing is for one to know that no profession will stand on its own.

Thanks @bushman!

All depends in which country you live, I'd add. :/

Very true. I must say that I am very impressed with the Swiss system. It's well organised and the training is great. Really it's instead of the last 3 years of high school and then by adding the so called one year of maturity schooling the graduate can still go to University.

Imagine studying to be an electrical engineer at University and you are altready a licensed electrician. It could be very advantageous.

Great post! I reside in the USA and the environment here seems to be that a degree is becoming more important for a larger percentage of jobs. The most interesting thing about this is that I was predict that there are many more job opportunities than prior that simply require a degree, but not necessarily in that specific feild. Of course for many jobs such as doctors, lawyers, accountants, ect. a college study of that subject is important, but for Fields such as sales, management, general business the nature of the study in college is much less important.
One of the biggest thriving industries within the US is computer engineering, programming, and general computer related fields, and friends have expressed that these fields are much more interested in an individuals skills and abilities rather than their education. In my opinion, unless an individual is planning to enter into a computer field a degree of some form is still very important for securing many jobs.
There is also still a relatively high demand for manual labor and trade workers, which can turn out to be high paying and steady jobs. Trade school is still currently a viable option, but with the advancement of robotic and AI technology, I predict that the demand for trade labor will steeply fall in the upcoming years.

Great comment thanks for the input.

I have a friend who is at the highest level as an accountant and he did it through an apprenticeship and then some evening courses. My nephew has the equivalent title through University and night school courses. I think that perhaps here are a few more options.

The interesting thing is that after an apprenticeship program one can still go to college. Different roads to choose from.

Thanks for chiming in!

This is an interesting misunderstanding: "One of the biggest thriving industries within the US is computer engineering, programming, and general computer related fields".

What is happening is just that information technology is entering almost any field of industry, so you need that skills almost everywhere. But is not that this is the new industry: this is just being part of the common skills required in almost all jobs.

In the very near future, to say "I don't speak computers" could be like saying "I don't know how to power the light in my room".

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Nice post! So many college degrees in the USA seem not to be akin to getting a good job unless you are a professional such as a physician or lawyer. It is as though the education system has become a typical "business". I am a small business owner and my college work surely contributes but actually working in the field that interest me has had a more direct impact.

A good combination of the two sounds about right.

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The issue is: "In this moment I am not using anything that I learned".

School is not supposed to tell you how to work. This is more a training. School is based on the idea that "if you stretch a brain, likely it will not come back to the same size". So the idea is to stretch your brain to make it bigger, plus some background and good practices - by example, to learn "how to study, how to learn more".

So yes, school is useful not because the things you study are useful: school is more like jogging. You go nowhere useful, but you make your body better. Just applied to the brain.

Good points. For me college and University did stretch my brain. Now I just need a bigger head! :)

Thanks for your comments.

The trades i think here in Canada as well is the best choice ! University and college if just far to expensive for many and we have an awesome university and trades college as well here in Kelowna ! Even to take a trades course is very expensive my sons cant afford it nor can I , and you need great credit for a student loan! But it is still much more affordable then university , and theres more high in demand jobs available once your done ! Great story ! 😉👍

Good points @karnemckersie

  ·  8 years ago (edited)

Haha interesting

Apprenticeship is very good and it pays too, and it is also good to be self employed, so that you can be your own boss. Nice post

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I like this article as I can identify with the experience of learning a trade as a young man. I was a sheet metal worker once and spent my young adult years installing air conditioning in Los Angeles.

I don't have a college degree, but managed to learn enough to get a job as a software analyst, so I'd say that learning a trade built my work ethic and skills of dexterity. I like to put things together, too.

To me, the take away for this article is that learning a trade teaches many skills, not just building things, but to work together, too. I wish we had programs like that in the US that were more comprehensive and could teach many more kids how to work with their hands. Someone has to do that work.

As to the robots, I think there is pretty good evidence that is not happening as fast as the press would like us to believe. One economist I follow is Dean Baker and he says that productivity growth in America has been relatively flat for the last decade or so. That doesn't sound like robots to me.

This is a great post and from it, I learned how apprenticeships are done right.

Thanks so much for your interesting input. Your path seems to have served you well!