Reality Check: Would Trump's New CIA Director Reinstate Torture Program?

benswann (65) in benswann • 7 years ago

Is Gina Haspel really the person who should run the Central Intelligence Agency? Let's give it a Reality Check.

7 years ago by benswann (65)

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anonymint (65) · 7 years ago (edited)

Could you please upload you video to site such as Youtube that can stream the video properly?

Dtube will not stream more than a second before stalling and remaining stuck.

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benswann (65) · 7 years ago

Yup, I also upload to YouTube. You can find the videos here: https://www.youtube.com/BenSwann

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anonymint (65) · 7 years ago

That might have just been a glitch on my end given I am in the Philippines. I was able to view a different HD video on Dtube yesterday. I haven’t actually looked at the technical aspects of Dtube, yet I was just presuming that maybe they don’t have as sophisticated of a mirroring scheme as I presume Google has.

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stadex (50) · 7 years ago (edited)

Torture is clearly illegal. Look I don't quite care if Abdul ends up on the wrong side of an electric switch but it remains illegal and as such neither Trump, Obama, GW Bush or anybody has any right to be doing shit like that. Trump said openly on the campaign trail that he would torture. Obama played hollier than though rockstar image Mr legal. Yet Obama used Jsoc to subvert detection of his torture.

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mepatriot (69) · 7 years ago

Ahhh...another Ben Swann fan! We are definitely peeps!

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fher (46) · 7 years ago

excellent video, it seems to me that the subject of torture is quite intense and delicate, but it must ask the question whether or not it is torture, since there are interrogation methods that can not necessarily be called torture, and torture They would be violating the human rights of any citizen, regardless of their nationality, but from a very personal point of view, any unconventional method used to extract information from a person who wants to harm a nation would be well regarded.

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orgoniteog (63) · 7 years ago

I hope whatever he decides it's in the flow

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themerge (40) · 7 years ago

I thought I heard that she was not involved when the program was active and was gone when the evidence was destroyed. I haven't dug into this but so what is she did. We know she was following orders. It doesn't mean she is going to give the same kind of orders she was given.

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stadex (50) · 7 years ago

Humanity established at the Nürnberg tribunals that a illegal order doesn't have to be followed. The person who follows such illegal orders is legally responsible for their actions. Nobody can hide behind orders anymore. You are not robots. You are human, use your own brain.

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themerge (40) · 7 years ago

Yes, but if I recall it wasn't illegal at the time. Old GWB made it legal, so she wasn't breaking any laws in the USA anyway. As for now and hopefully always we won't have any legislation on morality, but I would take some on integrity though.

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stadex (50) · 7 years ago (edited)

In WW2 it was probably legal because the legal precedent had not been created before. But there is no way a US President can legally torture anybody, even if it was Bin Ladin himself on the waterboard. Now mind you I sure as hell don't give a damn about them Islamterrorists, my issue is we Westerners must stand for something, we must have a moral honour code. We cannot become like the people the West is fighting. 911 could have been prevented anyways if the US intelligence didn't play games with people (some hijackers) they identified one year before 911 as and I quote "enemies of the United States". Cia wanted to recruit them instead of telling the FBI they are in the USA, that foolishness would have a high price in the end.
We have lots of morality laws eg the drug laws are based mostly on morality. Laws banning prostitution are text book morality laws. Some laws regulating language are in some ways morality laws.
I personally would prefer less unessesary laws but at the same time welcome laws if and when necessary. Everybody has their own idea of where the line is to be drawn.

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themerge (40) · 7 years ago

You forget how much power the patriot act gave the White House. The whole bill was designed to take away your rights. You also may not be aware that the Defense Authorization Act gave the president the power to call you a terrorist, not have to prove it to anyone and then detain you or kill you. Go watch the little video I posted call "Attorney General Eric Holder Defend Legality of Targeted Killing of US Citizens"

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el-los (25) · 7 years ago

Legal or illegal have no bearing on character. If this bitch "was just following orders, mein fuhrer," she has established herself as a piece of shit, severely lacking in morals, ethics and virtues. Trump promised to drain the swamp. Anyone who has engaged in torture, legal or not, is a vile fucking swamp creature who has no place in so called civil service.

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themerge (40) · 7 years ago

We weren't discussing ethics, morality or virtues. We were discussing (Or at least I was) the legality of what happened. I personally don't believe such things have a place in civilized society. I am sure we have reached a point in technology that chemicals and advanced form of lie detection equipment would have gotten them better results.

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el-los (25) · 7 years ago

Yeah, she's like a lovable little Auschwitz prison guard just failing her way up to the very top.

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zamanhuri14 (0) · 7 years ago

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everittdmickey (73) · 7 years ago (edited)

never WAS any torture to begin with.
not by any standards other than snowflakes.
if she does...good plan.

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anonymint (65) · 7 years ago (edited)

Are you willing to volunteer yourself for demonstration that it is not torture as you claim?

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stadex (50) · 7 years ago

Maybe @everittdmickey wants to vacation at Guantanamo. I'm sure they can arrange a free waterboard session if you are willing. The whole reason for the spaniards and others using the water technique was precisely because it was torture. America is a country with a selective morality, and you select based on what's most convenient to you hey I don't even blame you but it stinks of hypocrisy when you torture and then accuse others of being criminals for doing the same thing. Atleast if you torture be quiet about others who do it too. It's obvious the USA doesn't care about laws when laws stand in the way of what you want to do.

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el-los (25) · 7 years ago

Yep, you're right. Waterboarding was not considered torture by anyone until today's faggot snowflakes came along. Well, except for decent fucking human beings in Europe and North America for SEVERAL CENTURIES before current times. You fell for the Bush/Cheney psyop. Good job, numbnuts.
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a1947waterboardwarcrime
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/jul/06/torture-waterboarding-bush

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positivesynergy (43) · 7 years ago

Great video, @benswann, or at least the first portion, before it stops playing the feed - trying a half dozen times. That seems to happen a lot when watching DTube even on fiber optic 100MB connection. But on this I can't help but wonder, if there's more to the why... Liked and followed anyway... Take care