Mob Mentality On Display And Bitshares Loses A Good Man: Good Job People

in bitshares •  7 years ago 

For those of you who are involved in Bitshares, the community lost a strong advocate yesterday and it is all due to the mob mentality.

There was a situation with AriseBank, self-touted as the world's first decentralized bank, being raided by the government and shut down. This was an entity that was supposedly "partnering" with Bitshares to create a decentralized financial warehouse of sorts. Obviously, this is not going to happen since AriseBank is basically no more.

Of course, this led to the posts and attack that AriseBank is nothing but a scam and the founder is fraud. That might well be the case, I cannot say. What I can tell you is that I am not going to believe they are a fraud because of government action.

What is scary is how many people all over the social media world do. My head is spinning at all the people who suddenly trust the government. People are claim to be anti-establishment are railing against this "scam" believing the government's actions. Do you know who runs the government? Banksters. Do you know who could be obliterated by the a decentralized bank? Bankster.

And suddenly they are trustworthy?

Sadly, one of Bitshares biggest advocates was the target of many of these attacks. I, myself, saw some of these posts on here where he was called out by name and answers demanded. Of course, this wasn't just the result of one or two people but an entire mob. The troubling part is I am certain 90% of the people have no idea what is going on. Simply more piling on that we see in some other instances.

Anyway, people asked @stan for his views, so he gave them. Here is what he had to say about AriseBank:

On that brave little team of entrepreneurs at Arise. I'm quite appalled at the treatment of them by the community and others. I'm shocked at the current feeding frenzy that was, and is, being so carefully engineered during the single month that I was trying to get to know them. No doubt, Arise made many mistakes, but I don't believe they were a scam. That word has become like the word "racist". You always know that the true scammers and racists are those who indiscriminately apply those terms to others.

From my limited perspective, it appeared that they had the resources, ability, and intent to deliver on everything they described in the Vision they painted on their web site. Like the Wright Brothers, their plans were ambitious. Maybe unrealistically ambitious. But that was for their supporters to decide.

Arise stakeholders were gravely and universally harmed by the authorities, not by Arise. Any harm by the Arise team remains a theoretical potential, permanently rendered unprovable at this point. It was a mere possibility, not even a probability. The probability of harm caused by the government, however, was 100%. Arise is dead. With no chance to demonstrate whether they could or could not deliver. Now supporters will have to sit out from participating in the industry for years waiting to get their money back. The opportunity cost for them is staggering! If the government had quietly investigated, maybe even asking for a briefing on what Arise was doing, supporters from around the world would have remained fully liquid, able to ask for refunds or sell their positions in the open market. Now they can't. Is that the kind of "protection" we want?

Notice @stan said "From my limited perspective...". I am certain he is closer to the situation than 90% of the people who were popping off at their keyboards. They have absolutely no perspective. Certainly, there are some out there who researched the topic and concluded that is was a fraud. I am also sure there are those who delved into it just as thoroughly who have a different conclusion. As for me, I cannot say one way or another since I didn't study the company.

What I can say is I was not calling out @stan for answers. I also was not engaging in a mob lynching of a company I know little about. And finally, I am not going to draw any conclusions based upon the actions of the government.

In fact, please tell me how often the government goes full Rambo on white collar criminals:

"I got woke up with guns pointed at me. So, you know, put your hands where we can see 'em, so obviously we did. It was pretty weird. At first, we didn't even know why they were here. They bought us outside, handcuffed us."

He goes on to say that the agents who arrived were all armed, one even carrying a shield. In the interview, he states that it was overkill.

"... they showed up, wanting to know where everything was. We gave them everything they asked for. They asked for passwords to accounts. We gave it to them."

You would think from reading that it was a raid on a Cartel drug lord. Instead, this is how the government raided AriseBank.

Here is a write up about that:

https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@holoz0r/arise-bank-raided-by-sec-interview-with-j-rice-snr-confirms

As I said, I have no idea if AriseBank was a total hoax and this Jared Rice a snakeoil salesman. What I do know is that neither do many who posted their attacks online.

Getting back to @stan, he also shared this:

Anyhow, I've concluded this is not the environment in which I want to continue to practice open transparency and exercise free speech, sharing my hopes and dreams and visions and plans.

This is Stan Larimer, signing off,
"from the land of Mordor, where the shadows lie."

Here is his full article:

https://steemit.com/bitshares/@stan/bitshares-enterprise-alliance-part-12-the-godfather-shrugged

That is right. @stan has decided to exit the world of cryptocurrency, at least in his role as ambassador and promoter.

And this all happened because the emotionalism of the mob. People jump onto one side or the other and start screaming. I am not on other social media sites but I can just imagine what was being tossed back and forth about Bitshares and AriseBank. It is evident @stan's name was dragged into it. Hell, I saw that on here a few times.

So here are some facts:

  1. Bitshares price did not rise simply based upon the AriseBank announcement.
  2. Bitshares price did not fall based upon the AriseBank issue.
  3. Bitshares pricing, throughout the month of January, followed the cryptomarket in general. It took off the early part of the month, pulled back, waffled up and down, and then took a plunge this week.
  4. @stan worked tirelessly at promoting Bitshares even embracing being the face tied to the blockchain.
  5. I do not know him but he seems like a decent man who had big aspirations for BTS.

So what got people so up in arms?

Did the AriseBank deal going bad cause people to lose money? I guess for those who invested in AriseBank it did. But the Bitshares hodlers are doing just fine. Yet they were the ones screaming from the rooftop. As I type this, BTS is at $.45, up 17% in the last 24 hours.

Fortunately, this is blockchain and Bitshares, like other blockchains, is not just one person. There is an entire community that is responsible for the direction of that blockchain. That is one of the strengths of decentralization.

However, it does sadden me to see @stan leave. It isn't because I fear that BTS will suffer, I do not think it will. It is the circumstances that led to his decision which is painful. Naturally, I am not surprised at this behavior on the likes of Twitter or Facebook. Those people are cyber bullies who engage in behavior that is borderline barbaric. What is surprising is to see some of the same behavior on here. People who profess to be operating on a different plane yet still grabbing a megaphone and condemning. And for what reason?

Because they are afraid. Fear is at the core once again.

I hope @stan enjoys his the next phase of his life. He did a lot for Bitshares and the community should be thankful. I only hope we all use this as an opportunity to do some serious soul searching. Does our behavior match what we post or talk about with others?

It is easy to profess to be elevated, enlightened, spiritual, cultured, advanced, independent, strong, and a free-thinker. Yet the proof is in our actions. When we call for people's heads or starting engaging in toxic behavior, especially without the facts, how are we exhibiting any of those characteristics? Even worse, how are we any different than Facebook, Twitter, or The President of the United States.

AriseBank most certainly will go down in flames and, maybe, rightly so. Unfortunately, a casualty of this is @stan and that is a shame, at least the manner in which it occurred.

I think Steemians are better served if they ponder the Rumi's Three Gates of Speech:

Before speaking (or typing) ask:

Is it true?
Is it necessary?
Is it kind?

If the answer is no to any of the three, then practice "silence is golden".

Restraint of keyboard and tongue is very difficult...something we all need to be mindful of.

To change the world, we must first change ourselves.

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Stan didn't leave. Gandalf did. Read the comment thread on that post and you'll see it.

Stan is just not going to go public with information and wait for trolls.

We didn't lose him, we just ended up with a more dynamic Stan.

Glad to hear that. I didn't feel like he was providing answers to questions so much as giving dismissive and vague platitudes.

what happened to him?

I share many of your concerns my friend. These sorts of events are going to happen and the mob mentality is a huge concern. I've seen people here attack others and I've witnessed their demeanor turn from a loving, caring individual to a vial and venomous hatred. It is astounding the changes I've witnessed and the hatred, violence and coercion that results brings great sadness to my heart.

Fear really does lead to the dark side and platforms like this can magnify and accelerate the path as there is little to no 'authority' to stop them. However, it will shift over time and I am confident that with people like yourself walking the path of peace and leading by example, we can influence them onto a path of peace when we confront their behaviour and shine a light on the ugliness we witness.

Mob mentality will diminish over time, but the transition will be ugly. As the government continue to attack the infrastructure that threatens their very survival, we will see more instances like this. We are confronted with the reality that violence and coercion will continue for some time until this all settles out. It could take years. In the mean time, we stand our ground and shine a light on the abhorrent behaviour of those who choose to attack when they are angry, scared or hurting.

I've lost friends to the dark side and I pray that we can bring them back. Peace to you my friend for having the courage to call people out on their violence. I support you in your drive for peace and prosperity.

Thank you @wwf.

I felt the same thing. There are people on here that I see talking about love and peace....about improving humanity and then, boom, they turn on a dime. Unfortunately, that is part of acceptance, accepting where other people are at this moment. As much as we want to change others, we cannot. Even changing ourselves is difficult at time.

The government attacks are going to really put a monkey wrench in the march towards peace. You are right, that entity is going to attack that which threatens its survival. It will take a long time for all of this to pan out. I only hope I live long enough to see the next phase completed.

We need STEEM to be priced higher....it seems the world is a better place when STEEM is more valuable. 😁

I think we are on the same page. The only thing that I question is your view that STEEM is the answer. For me, I see it as a tool and if we use it right, it can liberate people from the grips of the fictional constructs. But in order for that to happen, we need to use this tool to help empower people, educate them and provide the means within which to be free. That requires land, knowledge, experience, tools, seeds, animals, housing and all the other tools one needs to be able to live off the land and be independent of the body politic and the corporate empire. Steem itself will not 'make' us free but rather can be a tool that we can leverage to work towards freedom.

For me, if it all shut down tomorrow I would still be able to survive and thrive. Even those with a million steem, if it all shut down tomorrow, they would perish. Our needs come directly from Mother Earth, not tokens. All the tokens do is allow us to trade so that we can acquire what we need. However, there is still a huge dependency on the system to deliver those goods and services. Any disruption in that, and people starve or freeze to death. The state still controls the infrastructure. So it is our job to replace that infrastructure so that we are no longer dependent upon the corporate empire. Steem could be the grease to get that wheel turning. Lots of work to do to accomplish that level of freedom if we use the tools for that end.

I suspect people will use steem to just pay their bills and keep the dependencies going. As such, it will not save them at all.

I think @taskmaster4450's comment about the STEEM price was just a joke.

I absolutely agree with what you are saying here and have started following you based on this comment.

FUD is unfortunately mostly just based on some short statements people get from social media and the further it goes the more the facts delude after all... Sadly like you outlined there are just still too many brainwashed people without a clue what crypto could actually do for them. That being said it´s a shame to loose such a great person and asset to the cryptosphere like @stan.

I hope everyone who blamed him even just a little will at least regret that behaviour one day!

I agree with you @steembusiness.

Sadly, to have regret, I think, takes some reflection, something I do not believe most engage upon. In fact, I believe most are completely clueless as to the carnage their actions created.

It is the way of the world I guess today.

Sadly not many people really do their homework before blaming others these days... It´s just ways easier for most of them to just join the mob to be part of the movement rather than against it... I mean you gotta be brave to walk the other way.

Very true...it is as if people just want to be heard...not caring about the facts whatsoever.

It isnt surprising considering the US has a guy in the White House who is like that...he will launch attacks regardless of the circumstances and what the facts are.

I guess it is part of being in politics and the public spotlight. But on here, I just dont get it.

Does it make people feel better to do that?

Nicely said. 👍

hehe thank you :)

I wasn’t familiar with Stan but i hodl bitshares and I totally agree i dislike the mob mentality lynchings. I guess some whales in steem did that to the bitconnect blogger Trevon. Do i agree with somethings that person did, no but I just dont like the mob mentality lynchings would rather not see it in our community.

What is scary is how many people all over the social media world do. My head is spinning at all the people who suddenly trust the government. People are claim to be anti-establishment are railing against this "scam" believing the government's actions. Do you know who runs the government? Banksters. Do you know who could be obliterated by the a decentralized bank? Bankster.

And suddenly they are trustworthy?

We live in a world of multi faceted people . Today they are with you and tomorrow they turn against you like they never knew you. I wouldn't say I am surprised at how bad things have panned out because that's generally humans for you.

Sadly, It's quite so unfortunate though .

I understand what you are saying @sistem and I have to agree with you. It shouldnt be surprising but, overall, I think it is. There is still a lot of fear out there, even on here.

People feel the "right" these days to attack others. It is really sad to see how humanity, at least in the west, is conditioned. The Internet only made things worse with cyberbullies and internet muscles.

Hopefully we are can moving in the other direction as a community.

Even if something where to be a scam, the raiding and pillaging that went on is harmful to the whole crypto community...

And people forgot about healthy competition, if you do not agree with Arise... than why not let it come out and fail than, instead it seems people did everything they could to take it down.

The lesson learned here is to be careful on what you announce, make sure its after FUD can cause this many problems.

Unfortunately, a casualty of this is @stan and that is a shame, at least the manner in which it occurred.

This is so unfortunate and so unfair. This is a far cry from the way we are meant to treat people. How can one reach such conclusions without proofs. I hope this is not about to become the order of the day here?

How can one reach such conclusions without proofs.

I guess the facts and the truth means little anymore. People have an agenda which is the only thing that is important. As long as you hear me roaring, this is what counts.

IT IS SAD ..., always the government with its hands involved in everything and spoiling any attempt to be self-sustaining and autonomous, without depending on the big companies that have dealings with the government ... this situation happens everywhere.
for that reason in a writing of an author that I do not remember it said "the governments are the weapon of their own destruction"

A follow-up statement from Jared Rice:
https://steemit.com/crypto-news/@wakeupworldnews/arise-bank-founder-jared-rice-sr-makes-statement-following-sec-and-fbi-raid-c5eb46c95b52

I really hope @stan comes back to be a strong voice for BTS again.

I do too...BTS has a lot going for it....

Agreed, walk the talk.

I always find it hilarious that people from the "truth" community will rightly criticize governments and warn others not to blindly trust them.

And then some ominous "document" is released from the CIA allegedly from 50 years ago, and everybody flips and goes with it, believing everything it says because of "top secret" or whatever.

These moves are never just happening out of the blue, they are concerted efforts to achieve a goal, planned for the long term, most often in the realm of public relations. They serve to keep the system ideologies intact in the minds of people that are easily manipulated, and to keep us busy with BS.

As for Arise: I have no idea what went down with Arise, never heard of stan. And I don't care much either.

BTS seems more solid than most projects I have come across, and until a good and solid case is made against BTS the rest seems like politics and picthfork agendas. Which is a waste of time more than anything.

It's always a shame when the pitchforks come out, and usually no one benefits. In this case @stan certainly did not. The government very well may have benefited from the mob mentality surrounding this issue though. Is that what we want in place of reasoned conversations? I hope not.

MOB + FUD = DUMP
The crypto economy is very volatile because of that, people are moved by mob. If people focusing in the main ideia of the project and start to ask... Is that news really important for the project? will that impacted in any way the project? ... it won't be more FUD or MOB. But, just a few people try to do that.

It's really saddening to see the downfall of AriseBank .
I wish it did not end this way . Fud and mob reaction made it worse.
Attacking at everything they could get their hands on , reacting like bunch of 12 year old .

It is shameful to see our crypto community like this . When will we mature ? This community only cares about profit , not about tech not about vision of a project .

I was excited to see if Arise could pull off what they were trying to pull off. I wanted so much for this to be for real, and thanks to blockchain tech, your post about altering the way I think, and just a positive feeling about the way this tech could move the world, I believed they could do it. Then I read an article on Reddit by someone who did some serious due diligence to show Arise did not seem legitimate and I was mad. And though I was not mad at @stan, I felt sad that an old guy got duped....and for that I am sorry. @stan is a very smart man and was a wonderful advocate of blockchain and I am sorry to see him go. I wish him the best.
As for me, I hope this helps me NOT make assumptions about others when I don't know a thing about them other than what they show publicly.
Here is a tweet from Bitshares twitter yesterday that most people (including me) seemed not to know:
bitsharetweet.PNG

@taskmaster4450
The mob, yes I looked at the comments and it seemed to be based in mere ideation.
I guess what some people call free speech is what I would surmise is Conditioned Speech
Alot more education is needed to break the fear of Fiat thinking, it been drilled in the population that "Real Banks have real,paper money" so does Monopoly.
There will be more start ups like this in the near future.
Maybe the show of force is showing the real fear behind this raid, wither or not the bank was a fraud, the Banksters are scared. And I guess should be, they can munipulate, and falsely leverage for so long in ever growing flood of cryptonite.
Great Article
L

It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.
J.Krishnamurti

Well stated! 2018 seems to be a year of cryptos going to the mainstream, which means we are subject to the mob for better or worse.

Being kind and fair is so important!

I think, that many people believe in what they show. They dont want to enable their own brains to think. It is much easier for them to succumb to the herd instinct, to take the opinion of the majority and begin to attack.

I guess government does not want competition from private money. That is logical that you "kill" competition and label it the way you wish. Otherwise you loose control over the money machine and you loose control over people.

What is real anymore?
Thanks for bringing this situation to light and it seems the 'system' is a little on edge these days.
But they fail to see not everyone is in this to launder money, some of us believe it's the future.

However, there will always be bad actors, but standing on the stage with one doesn't mean you are one too.

"I got woke up with guns pointed at me. So, you know, put your hands where we can see 'em, so obviously we did. It was pretty weird. At first, we didn't even know why they were here. They bought us outside, handcuffed us."

This is so disheartening. What proofs existed for such accusations. It is so sad that we are still having the mentality of the banksters. I hope we know that by this attitude, we are shooting ourselves in the foot.
Thank you for sharing.

Seriously this is not expected . one second mob praises the guy like a god other second they lash out at him without analyzing anything . Behaving like this is the sole reason we see FOMO , FUD , DIP , weak hand in the cryptocurrency market . It wasn't his fault , the government destroyed the project . People should blame the real culprit . I hope @stan comes back , we need people like him in cryptoworld .

Good article. I am somewhat aware of who @stan is, and have a little knowledge of Bitshares, but not fully. However, I never saw anything from him that would suggest malicious behavior.

I, fortunately haven't delved into the depths enough yet to see this gang mentality here, but I'm sure I will. Like many, I think, getting away from that was one of the many appeals of this platform. This is a great place to practice kindness and understanding, and it sucks some people just use it to be assholes.

Sounds like another #metoo movement.

Our country has changed from "innocent until proven guilty" to "he/she did this"

Reputations and careers are ruined with a stroke of a Tweet.

Everything was fine when they got paid or when the money was flowing in, but once it stops, anything goes.

Let's get that money going again, whether it's a book, movie, tv show, whatever...

Thanks for the insight Task. 😎

  ·  7 years ago (edited)

Terrorist, racist, scammers. All words to stick to someone or something and with one effortless throw, it's out into the public eye and mauled at like a mangled carcass in the Arctic.

It's a real shame that this happens but without any means of a filter, it's no surprise that it happens on FB and Titter.

The problem is that people are so worried about losing their fiat assets. If they found a way to invest over time or just made crypto without even having to invest fiat, they wouldn't have to worry about losing money. I'm probably saying this from the position where I didnt have money in Arise, but it's across the board, if you are taking a risk you should be prepared to do hard research and not lose your mind if you lose everything. It is an extremely volatile market after all.

It's a real shame to hear that @stan has left, I didn't follow him but I can tell from your words and how you speak of him that he was a strong asset to the movement.

You are correct @calumam.

It is incredible how people do not want to take responsibility for their actions. Like you, I had no skin in Arise but I had deals similar to that over the years. At the end of the day, I had to accept that nobody make me put my money where I did. I was the one who pushed the buy button.

Yes there are people who run cons and mislead. But the way people throw out the word scam, it is an easy way to degrade from which, the person, really has little way to defend him or herself. Yes it is like racist or terrorist...once branded, it is next to impossible to lose the Scarlet A.

  ·  7 years ago (edited)

It's something we are going to battle with for generations to come. Probably at a heightened rate as this movement progresses since the onslaught from the Governments -> Public is going to get more and more drastic when they try to clutch onto their broken system.

It's always the people who are willing to open the door who get shot first, but they pave the way for the rest of us to come through and push change. They are the most remarkable people on the planet and people need to wake up and support these heroes.

Cons and scams are ages old, they will be around until the day the world blows up. It's just a damn shame that people can't think for themselves. The impulsive, irrational behavior is everything the banksters have programmed into the majority of our population. It's gut-wrenching, but it's what happens when smart malicious people have power and massive influence and they learn how to control the weak.

I'm just listening in to the @bluerocktalk show from the other day with Jared Rice and you can tell from the sincerity in the guys voice that he was a man of the people. It's a shame that Arise took the hit, but like I said it's the guy who opens the door.

The change that Arise would of potentially made would of rocked the crypto world. It's no wonder it's been burned.

Magnificent article. At such moments as with AriseBank, I'm very glad that I chose one of the most reliable crypto currency - steem. Thank you for this article, good luck to you.

Великолепная статья. В такие моменты как с AriseBank, я очень рад, что выбрал одну из самых надежных криптовалют – steem. Спасибо за эту статью, удачи Вам.

This is what you get in an environment that encourages and defends reward pool rape at the highest levels.
When the circle jerk at the top looks for friends they don't get them from folks that are rational deep thinkers, they get them from the dregs of humanity that are excited at the idea of a feeding frenzy.

Don't look for that to change anytime soon.
The reward pools rape will go on.
The vicious attacks from positions of ignorance will continue.
Hell, it is encouraged because the vote sellers like it.

It is a shame to see so many people are still just sheep, blindly believing whatever people tell them. They can't think for themselves and they just congregate and hate on others without knowing an ounce of the truth. I'm glad steemit doesn't have this mob mentality so prevalent. However, that's not good enough, people need to become educated about blockchain or stay silent. They should not just hate on something they don't understand. Hopefully, arise can rise from the ashes.

  ·  7 years ago (edited)

A decentralized bank that shut down by gov? I dont get it. If it was trully decentralized no one should be able to shut it down.

Considering they are in the US, the website was closed down and the offices were raided.

I am not sure there banking was actually taking place.

They were in the process of moving towards that I believe.

It is the same thing, Steemit can be shut down but the STEEM blockchain cannot.

Oh, so the Arisebank is like the frontend for whatever backend it was based upon? Then it all make sense now. If it all takes is a gov decision to shut down a decentralized project, that project is total BS to me.

This does suck. I remeber the Age of Empires 3 community doing this to new players. The new players who didnt know how to play got scorned for not knowing all the terms and all the hot keys. This drove a lot of pepole away from the game.

We still have a long ways to go in when it comes to mentality even here on steemit. Fortunately I was away today hiking in the mountains (post coming soon) and I avoided all the drama.
Reading about this c**p makes me regret returning to "civilisation" - whatever that's supposed to mean.
Good job keeping a level head man.

actually I myself do not understand the name arisebank. but reading from your writing is terrible. thank you friends have shared knowledge and knowledge with us here.

So massacre their sustainability

i don't know about others but yes i find it really informative... 👍☺

It's a really big loss.And crypto curreny market are so down.
Thanks for share.

nice share

this is great to spread, so they know the truth.
thank you for writing this.

Keyboard courage strikes again. The people here who are concerned about liberty should be worried about this. When a major advocate of freedom with enough clout to make a difference gets put off with a community and walks away it can be seriously damaging.

I don't actually think he quit but he might have a major lack of confidence in Steem now.

This was a tough one to see, @stan has been a huge advocate for bitshares, I don't get people when it comes to crypto, they get so emotional. The one piece of advice I always see is don't invest more than you can lose, which is great advice. People shouldn't get so worked up when these dips happen, it just increases the FUD mentality which worsens their own position. It's not fun, but pointing fingers before knowing the facts is a big issue.

good one.
thanks for sharing

I'm sorry...but if one wants to be a "spokesperson" for a product and lets a situation like this cause them to "run away"...then...they aren't the person I thought they were to begin with...

Do I blame Stan for BTS value decreasing? Perhaps a bit...just like his positive promotions may have helped increase the price at times....how much did it impact price? Probably little...but just like major league coaches...they unfortunately get too much credit when winning and too much blame when losing...it goes with the territory...

As far as Arise goes...I admit...it was an exciting concept...one that could become a reality down the line...and I did invest some in that token somewhat based on some association with Stan and BTS....did I misread that association? Not necessarily....I just assumed...wrongly it appears...that Stan knew enough about these folks to somewhat vouch for their plan and I trusted that...unfortunately it appears it was run by individuals who hyped more than helped the concept...so perhaps Stan was duped himself...I'll never know...for me...its just another crypto lesson learned...