Some thoughts I've been having lately

in blog •  7 years ago 

I had a friendly,jokingly while maybe a little passive aggressive chat with @aggroed today about vote buying and that the current hardfork allows it. Maybe allows it is the wrong use, let's say makes it possible.

I understand that he came from the same thought process as I have and it basically ended with us agreeing that if we not everyone buys votes and uses these services, than the few doing so will have an edge over the rest of the community. Although most people have heard the saying "if your friends jump off a cliff, would you also jump?" I'm starting to see this a bit from a different perspective.

The last hardfork that created linear rewards did make things a lot more fair in my opinion, even though it is now enabling such services and letting them exist I believe that in the end it will allow for way more services to bloom through it such as @utopian-io. I started thinking of the usecase of Bitcoin, many know that in the beginning most people that used Bitcoin only used it for purchasing illegal substances or stuff like ransom payments and we all know how often Media likes to remind us of that. Still to this day they keep pushing that into our faces in a recent The Guardian article: Since it is only widely used as a currency in drug deals or for ransom payments, there is either a huge boom in criminal activities outside the world of cryptocurrencies, or one within unregulated exchanges where these tokens are traded. Many of us understood that the underlying tech is still valid and has a lot more to offer than just this even if it enabled it.

The same way I view Steem lately and what the hardfork has enabled, although right now it looks bad with the vote selling services, if we all started using them or more people started offering them while undercutting eachother - we will probably reach an equilibrium that will also make that fair and less profitable for the few that currently use it and enable it. There is not really a way around it, non-linear curve would make things less fair again and minnows would probably not even see any rewards at all for a long time like we witnessed happening in the past.

There's also been some discussion popping up again, I think it was @ats-david mentioning the diminishing returns we once used to have on posts. If you post more than 4 within 24 hours it will cause the next ones to reward you a smaller percentage of the post rewards it receives - the rest going back to the pool. "But then people would just post on alt accounts and vote on them" would be the logical abuse/solution to the diminishing returns, depending from which perspective you see it. I think that increasing the amount of votes you have to cast daily would help with this combined with the diminishing returns. I've seen a handful of people lately post 8-10 posts per day and ride those autovotes to profits while constantly being powered down and it sure doesn't feel right nor fair to the rest of the users. Especially those being cheated off rewards that are here to witness the long term of the platform, and even worse seeing how those "abusers" use vote selling services which cause rewards to become even lower to those that don't buy votes.

We have to remember that the platform is still very young, some other currencies are struggling to switch algorithms from proof-of-work to proof-of-stake and hoping to reach and increased transaction output, while others are still trying to come up with solutions to scaling their blockchain and causing a big rift in communities supporting them.

It is important for us to stick together as a community and think of the best solutions forward and how it will be most fair for everyone and the people yet to join us. MSP recently announced a vote bidding bot so I suggest all minnows to check it out if you need assistance with visibility. OCD will still function as usual and I decided to buy some more delegation to help me with supporting it and the newcomers the awesome curation team behind it nominates. I really hope that a good chunk of the community will also support the non-profit OCD-bot that will vote on a wide variety of authors we have chosen even though they could probably earn more by selling their votes instead of settling for the curation rewards.

There are more and more services popping up due to linear rewards, even though many are focusing on vote selling and trying to maintain a big part of the market or reward pool with it I think its only the beginning much like illegal markets and gambling were for Bitcoin at the start. I am looking forward to the ideas yet to come and spring to life and the doors SMT's will open for our blockchain.

I'm going to try and not be as negatively oriented towards vote selling in the future, although I may not use them myself (even though I was going to do that today just to prove a point of what it would look like if I used all of them at once) I will accept that they are a part of us now and instead keep doing my thing of curating without getting paid for it by other means than curation rewards.

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The solution lies in handing out rewards for those who flag spam posts and spam comments. Then we would see bots flagging bots.

interesting -
OR ...would it be possible to limit any bot activity relative to reputaion? ( ie only available on reputations under 35)
That would keep them all one place....I dunno, just throwing things out there, in the hope it sparks possibilities with people far more techy know how than me..

(like i said elsewhere - my techy talent is less than an amoeba - that's never been to school.)

a grim bladerunner future

I hope this platform is social-centred and not money centred. A minnow myself and I see here many accounts existing solely for selling upvotes in return for SBD irrespective of the post.

If it's just to be social centered there's no reason for any money to be involved. But that's not how or why steemit was created. Steemit IS money centered, that's the point of being social on steemit at all.

It shouldn't be "more" money focused than social imo, or we might as well just call it the Steem developers/commerce union bullet board.

Not entirely about the money but Yes money is a bonus and I agree. I believe the devs will soon figure out what's best for all of us and the platform :)

Steemit should have a quality rating system with no rewards. Keep the upvotes for money. That would allow users to judge each other on the quality of the posts instead of only the amount of money. Quality would bring followers and vice versa.

I agree. I see many posts here that are just trash with a tonne of shout-outs and ads at the bottom about communities people are in, but the content is garbage, with upvotes and 140$ in cash.

ah, I have been looking into vote buying and have tried it a few times. I spent around 4 SBD and gained around $7 on a post. If SBD wasn't exploding right now, that would be pretty effective.

I think the problem is those that use it on posts that are just a picture or a video with no attempt at ANY type of original thought or content.

I think it would be nice to have a bot that had certain requirements. Maybe requiring a certain Steem level. 35+? Since that seems to be really easy to get. On top of that, including a blacklist on these bidbots. I have seen a lot of people constantly getting these up votes that have absolutely no benefit to there post. They could easily be blacklisted and since they can't just make another Alt and use it right away, I feel it makes it at least a hassle for them to use instead of how easy it is to use now.

Just my thoughts.

If SBD wasn't exploding right now, that would be pretty effective.

If SBD would stay like this for a while (like it did for some time way back when Steem was pumping) I think it will make most vote selling services that rely on SBD not be able to function cause users will just sell the SBD instead.

nice post.

Yeah, I have stopped 100%ing my posts to get some extra SBD. I didn't know SBD pumped like this during random pumps.

The only only way to stop explotation from vote bots (imo) is to check the posts manually. Which still is doable right now with the userbase, but still costs somewhat of an effort.
Getting a rep 50+ ain't that hard, especially if you can invest some money.

I see vote bots just as a way to promote myself and (make a slight bit of money) for now, but in all honesty it's just a symptom of a much bigger problem.
Can't wait for the SMTs to arrive either, curious what it will bring, what kind of communities it will shape. Don't get me wrong, I love Steemit and its opportunities, but sometimes this whole resemblance it has to the real world just turns me off... (even though I am a part of it ^.^)

Good points, I keep reminding myself that the platform is young and developing. I'm optimistic about Steemit for the next 4-6 months, we'll see how the team rolls out a few of these announcements.

OCD and Curie are some of the few projects that are operating organically. Less Steem/SBD outflow from the Steemit ecosystem is better right now but it seems that many users want to extract value. I'm sure they have reasons that vary but I sometimes wonder if the platform incentives users to invest and stay for long times well enough.

I think the platform could greatly benefit from more iniatives to spend your Steem by "burning" it. Like the promotion tab, or spending it for commodities/services. With that being said, the promotion tab seems kinda bad right now the way its implemented...

Yes, I completely agree with you on that point. The company could convince users to spend on promotional items better, which would help spread the word.

There are a few other ideas along these lines that I am writing about and will be publishing on the platform soon. I like your thinking!

I think @noisy mentioned the idea of placing posts that have been promoted randomly in the hot/trending section such as ads and giving them more visibility.

There's definitely a need for improved curation and display on the Steemit platform. I use it primarily on a laptop browser, so my experience may be different than many users.

That's actually something I've been thinking about. But a bit more radical ^^ Something like; Whenever someone promotes its post, instead of the promoted tab, it gets like 10x (or whatever feels reasonable) the value of trending/hot page value.

Absoulately @mdf-365 Thats a great comments i am happy for your good comments seeing...Keep it up @mdf-365

All this tech stuff,and crypto is not common knowledge.
We have a lot of turn over(deadfish) that found it to confusing or were disappointed that they did not make the big bucks,and a lot of other issues.
I personally would rather stick with it,see what it becomes,and make a penny-dollar fiffty... lol..
It is still beta and I can't wait to see it mature.long for the day I can get a tutorial that explains it all,w/ guides for non tech. I know there are some ,but nothing that is complete...nothing "official" here is how.
No easy answer,But the rich buy more power is not a thing I like to see,or help,yet would love to know more about the bots and things helping minnows.
Make it so whales can't abuse...
Way over my head in tech,no voice because just a minnow,with no real skills..lol...just trying to help build a better world.
Namaste!

I'm new here (about five weeks?) and have no idea how it all works ;)

Sticking with it for now but it needs to be a lot more newby-friendly before we can get a mass-market going...

Be happy w/ the community,try and engage in topics you knowledgeable about or passionate about.Do not focus on the $,sure way to be disappointed...
If you are tech savvy you have a good chance of making $ using bots...we seem to have a kind of class warfare going on...the techs/$$ vs the common average person.
See how it goes here, maybe greed is good will loose this time..
;-)
Namaste!

Yeah, I am not very tech savvy unfortunately. I'll just keep posting my stuff and see how things turn out :)

I hear you on not being tech savvy, I make more on comments than post...
;-)

Normally to take advantage of this beautiful platform you have to focus more on good content so that everyone benefits in every way and not only to earn money, other than that I can say that I appreciated your point of view regarding the sale of upvotes and I wish you a good continuation and more success on this website.

We need to go back, Marty.
(to 50/50 author/curators post rewards)
Full argument ~here~

Well sir the topic on which you had written here is a big issue and does it is not possible to stop this vote selling, it causes a big harm to this platform. Not only that but also stop new users to join the platform because I never look into it and they see what happening here it automatically demotivate. Everytime individual how to make their content best but most of the time not get response on it. All I do appreciate your project that you had started and me it will send that contribute to the Welfare of this platform.

Yeah, I can see the vote bot problem is a bit out of hand, but there's not much you can do about it currently. I've cut back a lot on using them because I don't really agree with most of them. The only one I've been using still is minnowbooster, and that's only in hopes to help promote my posts and maybe grab a few peoples attention so I can find some loyal followers who enjoy what I post. I think just accepting it and focusing on rewarding content which you enjoy is the best thing to do, man.

I never use bots. I write for the pleasure of writing and the good of mankind. Yes, I sometimes vote for my own post, or comment, but bots are an annoying no-no.

Cool.

Impressive post buddy, no one knows what could be consequences of these bots offering upvote for sbd, how you view it depends upon which side you are in,
One off the topic question : is there any contact channel for OCD

There is not, its a closed discord server for the curators only. They will either find you or resteem your posts now and then if you use #ocd-resteem. :)

Thnx for quick response, I did seen #ocd-resteem earlier, how u recruit curators then, I mean as no one can contact OCD it's only you mentioned there.

Call me an idealist -- too many anime with MC's covered in plot armor will do that to you -- but I will never buy votes for poor content! It's my ninja way! I think we should enable more bid bots like the OCD and MSP examples, because the automation keeps the process out of the hands of the sinister, considering bots don't have their own will, the users do. The only way to really discourage poor vote buying usage is by educating the people on the negative implications it carries.

many of the upvote bots lease SP to operate, some are given through delegation for a promise of return on their investment. If there are better investment opportunities for investors looking to delegate SP, we would see a large backdown on the votebots. They are really only a product of what the market allows.

Some people are indeed misusing the bots and getting a lump-sum.While new users are facing difficulty to obtain a place in the community despite giving out quality content.!!

It honestly comes down to an even playing field in my own opinion. I feel like bots will destroy steemit and its main goal but the only way to fix this is going to be to totally remove the ability all around.

What I mean by all around is there should be no auto voter that I can setup and auto vote steemians for any post they make in where I don't have to be logged in or even read the post it just auto votes up for me. To me this single thing totally destroys steemit and its main mission.

Then paying for auto votes seems unfair however most of these operate at a negative rewards in return as so many people use them. Its almost like paying for ad space is how I look at it now as it is a cost to do so and not a profit besides gaining exposure for the post.

Unless both of these are kicked out of the system and removed I feel they both should remain as anyone is capable of using them. However I do feel the damage the overall mission that steemit has.

I would love for people to engage by commenting of value and then voting their comments up and doing these types of valued actions are what should be rewarded instead of the auto pilot bot systems. Not being a programmer myself though I have no idea if that will be possible but if it is I would love to see this change in a upcoming fork/vote.

@bitcoinflood, what you are suggesting needs to exist on a code level, and it becomes extremely complicated problem of coding the ability to classify something as a bot and still be decentralized. thats part of the difficulty in everything, how can you create an environment, that is neutral by code?

Until then, you can only do as much as abiding by the original mission statement of steemit, which is to curate the best content, and create the best content you can.

i loved your attached photo!!

Totally agree with you. There will always be people who exploit something good for self-gain. I hope the community will understand the after effects of such actions that exploit steemit. Appreciate your work for helping the poor minnows :). Wishing you a good day!

Indeed, there are always two side, one is to sustain and one is to exploit. How to manage and find the equilibrium point is always the hardest. I would hope Steemit can be a sustainable one than a short period beta experiment.

Apologize for some grammar and typos, its 6 am here.

Hehe, I was wondering what was up with the grammar today... I'm all for SP delegation provided it's not being abused but I get what you're saying. Let's hope it gets adopted in a much more positively contributing way.

What about 5:25 am and a few drinks?

Resteemed for visibility of Acidyo starting to agree with me and it's recorded on the block!

:)

I love you brother. I'm proud to share the chain with you!

I've never understood why content uses a linear scale but curation uses a square root scale.

Also, I've assumed that the square root scale means that someone with 40,000 SP can earn twice as much for curation as someone with 10,000 SP rather than four times as much. Is that a correct assumption?

The vote bot is good and bad. I think it should be regulated by 2 official steemit vote bots and that's it ;)

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It is another tool that has its pro, but also its good, nice share!

Thanks @acidyo I appreciated your article.

I read through @aggroed's post and the comments. One interesting comment thread was between @themarkymakr and @em3
And then @limabeing (or @limabean?) mentioned that ESL speakers (english as a second language) are led to use the vote bid bots without understanding them. And when they don't use them smartly, it is just a pillage of the poor, ignorant by the rich(over dramatization is mine). AND I have seen this! $0.05 and $0.85 bids on bots that say, minimum bid $1sbd. That doesn't get refunded.

Anyway.... I agree with @em3 that, if vote bots are to serve an acceptable service, they should operate with a whitelist. Or at least a well maintained blacklist. Because abuse now is and has been bad.

I would offer, that any respectable, ethical witness that also has a vote bot would consider the community and put forth the efforts and expenses in order to 98%-prevent abuse of these services. Otherwise, I don't want to vote for them as witness.

And, what is up with BID VOTE BOTS anyway??? Why not just have a price like minnowbooster. Wouldn't that do better about at least giving honest, content creators a fair price (or a price they find acceptable)? Some idiot bidding huge in the last 5 min of a bid bot's window can screw over all the other earlier bidders. I don't get it.

There must be a solution and i hope the community find it fast

Excellent! I really like your conclusion. Everyone money centered of being social on steemit at all. Good points, that the platform is young and developing! I'm optimistic about development Steemit!

Hey @acidyo,

I started to write a big comment but ended up turning it into a post.

My thoughts on bidding bots as the owner of @buildawhale, a minnow, and a Steemian

Hey @acidyo, what I had seen here is the platform is not working in that way, for which it has been created. And here you had talk an issue of vote selling and what I had observe this vote selling is running because people will not get the desired result what they want, does in the same way as you have created a post these bot also created such post, hey the talk about the same issue which you had raised and telling us, Hey it's very hard to get recognise your in this platform if you are new because there are many many many big wheels and others and people usually want them, so if you want to recognise here on this platform use our service and blah blah blah....... And thus this problem already support this idea of vote selling and other bots ...... I my view the first thing which is needed is to stop all these Bots, and if this happens it automatically generated a trust among users.....

  ·  7 years ago (edited)

I have to say, as a new user who really loves the idea of steem and wants it to succeed, it seems like there are some major challenges to getting the rewards system just right.

I think the randomization of what hits the front pageneeds to be a lot higher, because vote buying your way onto the front page then ensures that you get money from other users simply due to the visibility of your content. The same mediocre content can make solid money if it hits the front page and will go no where if it doesn't get an initial pump.

The edge that vote buying gives you right now is primarily an edge in visibility.

With the current system, it seems like a lot of the content is spammy and people basically grubbing for votes. I REALLY want to like steem but honestly, atm I feel like even if you browse "hot" or "trending" a lot of the content is obviously low effort and purely designed to make money. I think overcoming this issue is one of the primary problems steem needs to solve to take off.

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@acidyo congratulations on your 10000th post
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I don't know much on it but in my first 8 days i have understand something that is very important which is staying in one track if you can stay in one track then surely you will be successful one day but the track you will go must be in honest and corruption less track then you could attain the success but if you din not work and stay in the same place and dreaming to become a billionaire then you will not be successful in your life so don't lose your valuable time and work hard until you gett to your goal try harder to hardest then success will come to you you don't have to go to it.

Take it easy

  ·  7 years ago (edited)

Your thoughts speak of integrity, a rare and admirable character trait! Please excuse the digression from the topic!

i think you should hafta prove you are a individual human. i'm thinking alt accounts are not in our best interest.

i don't care to live with bots, and i'll leave if things aren't figured out.. because our value will be forfeit, bots don't change their mind, bots never realize the error of their ways, bots never grow up.

but people do, people will get tired of posting the same shit... just prove to me your a real person, and i'd never question you posting the same shit, or voting on stupid things.

bots are bribes for upvote.

that is corruption, that is how it starts, small. rust is like that.

i'll have you guess who will be the biggest bot owners...

it won't be an individual, it will be a corporation, they will have an agenda.

united states founding fathers had rules against corporations, there was a reason for that. they knew the power needed to remain in the hands of the individuals, and if allowed to concentrate the people lose.

every time.

right now the net neutrality is under attack by those very type of people.

great

i think we need not auto bots, but bots who upvote good content for x2-x3 and bad content dont upvote, something like this, so people will produce not crap and we will evolve, or we need to do something with delegation power, because of it bots are working

I love this.... Am quite learning alot here. It's been really unbelievable.... Smiles

As time goes on, everything will be more balanced out. When you say that I think of newly released characters that start off overpowered, but eventually make their way to work with the rest of the game. Seeing vote buying as not a 100% negative would be a refreshing shift of mentality, and making it more costly to "cheat" to shoot for in the future.

many of the upvote bots lease SP to comport yourself, some are unmovable through delegation for a pact of recompense vis--vis their investment. If there are enlarged investment opportunities for investors looking to delegate SP, we would see a large backdown regarding the votebots. They are in want of fact abandoned a product of what the assist allows.

I've been trying to figure this out the last couple days as well, I've noticed several people trying get steem donations so they can buy more SP and then turn around and supposedly pay everyone back. Just seems like a death spiral to me even though its tempting in the short term. I even considered it myself for a moment.

yeah we have to stick together as a community for our all of steemit member and we need to make sure that we will stay in this world as a strong community under steemit family.....

nice.sun

we will probably reach an equilibrium that will also make that fair and less profitable for the few that currently use it

Maybe, but surely this would require initially a lot of people with a lot of cash investment to be a notable and worthwhile delegator, before competition drives it down. It could happen, but a long way from now

i am really confused about the arguments about whether voting bots are good or bad or just useful tools. everyone seems to have a conflicting opinion, and i am concerned because most treat them as a get rich quick scheme without weighing the costs. the question is, do bots negate the need to power up as heavily in the platform? shouldn't we be incentivizing curation instead?

I think an even bigger problem is the curation services, which only reward posts by authors under a certain rep, leaving anyone just getting a handle on steemit earning less than the person who has been around two weeks. they skip over some subsets of people entirely, those who dont have the proper skills, equipment or opportunity to write these dream posts that curators look for. the people who tend to get rewarded are (well off) authors who put out like water. aren't we then rewarding the tech writer over the poor farmer? i think we need to widen our gaze as a community, and work together to reward ALL good work, not just those in our own tiny cliques.

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  ·  7 years ago (edited)

I used to really love the voting Bots. now that they've gotten a bit out of hand I see some of them disappearing and being replaced by other things. I think the solution to figuring out how to get steem to rise is a difficult one.

Nice thought.

Nice comment.

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Yeah I know.. too tired to flag.. :P

I’m going to write a post inviting short spam comments only, in return for a free flag at 100% full power.

Nice warning

Nice thought

Nice reply

Nice reply

I will never buy a upvote, I believe that our work should be enough to get us promoted. I have faith in steemit, that's why I joined it :)

Very good point, I am still conflicted about all of this. On one hand, since my posts receive very little at the moment, It feel like I might as well do the vote buying or else be left behind. On the other hand though I would like for people to be actually connecting with my post and rewarding me instead of the artificial creation of it. O_o Yet at the same time I don't want to be left behind and let the scammers win >_<

I am also one of those people that doesn't use bots. I have used them maybe twice myself since being on this platform (July 2017). I wanted to see how well I could do without them, and perhaps that is naive of me. I did invest a sum (decent enough for me, although not in the scheme of things I suppose), but sometimes I feel like I am not utilizing the system the right was as I know many others who use bots constantly and it seems to be working enough for them. I will continue on my path at least for a bit more.

It will sound strange, but I'm an opponent and a supporter of buying votes at the same time! I use this service for really meaningful and important messages for me. I do not know if this is useful for the community, but it's an experience that will improve the platform in the future.

Well, I might not be able to analyze the economics behind it yet due to inadequate knowledge of the platform but it does not sound good. Unless non-profit projects like ocd increase progressively along with vote selling accounts, the future looks bleak for newbies without which I do not see steem appreciating in value.

Hey @acidyo -- we can try and explain and rationalize voting bots and vote selling/buying all day long -- after all, anything can be rationalized, even war! But make no mistake about it this current situation on steemit is driving away quality content. As @hitmeasap commented -- why spend hours creating a simple meme or even copy-n-paste will make you the and in many cases more rewards... I've been on steemit since Aug of 2016 and have, in my own way, tried to create, spent time creating what I like to believe is quality content -- non-steemit, non-crypto content that would appeal to the "average" person. And yes, I've made a little bit of money from.., and unfortunately have had to power down due to some unforeseen financial difficulties -- I would love to have kept it all in the system and had some more power... But without a wide range of quality content I truly don't see much of a future for steemit... Sure there will be the crypto folks and the other people that come to try and game the system.., but where's the value in that... Where's the incentive for the average person to invest their time or money... Regardless of how this comment comes off, I am trying to remain positive, but I used to post everyday, religiously, a year ago.., and just seeing the same names day in and day out on the trending page, is like seeing a perfect example of "insider trading" (if that makes any sense) -- but I do know my posting has decreased because of it. And while there has always been a certain group dominating the trending page, now add in vote buying/selling.., it seems to make little to no sense at all to put any time or effort into creating quality content. Cheers, to better days ahead -- hopefully.

friendship is never forgotten, friends are hard to find friends, the enemy is a lot, but my friend did not.sukses selau for you, hopefully you @ocidyo healthy always.

Vote buying is complicated as it does not always give what you expect

Its this kind of post that initially got me interested in this platform. Although there is lots I still dont understand, the fact that people like you can be out here critically thinking about the process is promising.

I'm totally agree with you. Some of people doing this but it's not correct. We need work but consciously. Then we can get success. And this site is not old it's newcomer. So, we have to with it always by doing right way.
Lastly I want to tell you @acidyo. Thanks for share your opinion.

Great article, @acidyo. I learn something new about Steemit every time I read one of your articles. I love how you narrate your thought process, and are willing to share your thoughts and opinions in a helpful way that benefits the reader. I have upvoted and resteemed this. Cheers!

Nice sir :) .. Thanks for the concern for us minnows ...

excellent work dear friend @acidyo very good the issue you have addressed, lately there are many people who are talking about this.
I do not agree with the bots and much less with the purchase of votes, it does not seem good, this is a social network, it is assumed what makes a social network are contact with people, bots are used for everything , finally cease to be a social network, I visit and vote manually, never share a vote, I need it since I live on the reward I get here on the platform, even so I never would, I do not say it is wrong to buy votes, I say that is not the true essence of the platform.
Thank you very much for the good work done
I wish you a great day

Amazing content, keep up the good work!
Thats interesting. Thank you for sharing.
upvote back please
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Lol how does your post have like 20 dollars in the first 4 minutes

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awesome ..............

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So...very beautifull photography.And wonderfull sun.I like your all post!