BREXIT: DECEIVED, LIED, CHEATED

in brexit •  8 years ago 


This morning one of Holland's prominent opinion makers Bernard Hammelburg published a very interesting article regarding the Brexit, the UK and Gibraltar / EU breakup.

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The article is originally published in the Dutch language. With the support of Google Translate, I present you the English version.

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Undoubtedly there are a lot of Brits overjoyed the Brexit has been finally launched. But in London - admittedly, not the same as the UK - I can not find them.

Everyone I speak with, yes and no voters to the referendum, says the same: we have been deceived, lied and cheated on in unimaginable ways.

Of course I'm more curious about the stories of the Brexiteers, so those who want out of the EU, and not the elite UKIP-kind. The 'normal' supporter had one major complaint: the overwhelming amount of foreigners. If you pressed, you always hear the same 'nuance': no, it was not about Syrian refugees, nor about migrant workers from Western Europe. But those from Eastern Europe: Poland, Czechs, Slovenes. Of these there are so many they are in our way.

Is that really true? A little bit. The second language in England and Wales is Polish - not Hindi, Urdu or Arabic - that marks the position of only one group very clear. And you notice it in everyday life. Almost everyone with whom you are dealing is a foreigner, and quite often Eastern European, from the maid and the waiter to the manager of the hotel, information desk and ticket seller at the museum, the teller at the subway station, fashionable women and men in Canary Wharf (the financial district of London), the director staff a large company. The supporters of the Brexit really thought the referendum was about that, a feeling that was enhanced by the opponents who did appear as if Armageddon was preferable to a departure from the European Union.

Theresa May has not played very convenient, by striking an uncompromising tone in its article 50 letter: it is a hard separation, so let's get straight to negotiate the visitation and alimony. The reaction of the EU also testified by no empathy and diplomatic skill: the Brits have no say, they also lost their cooperation on security, and if they do not realise this, they can leave immediately and completely. And the EU finance officer is ready to claim sixty billion Euro.

The size of the Brexit-procedure is so huge, and the consequences so unclear that they will moderate their tone of course. Whitehall arrogance is as unbearable as that of Brussels. How complicated it all is, is shown daily by all the details that are under discussion already. What's it really like to be working in the field of security and counter-terrorism? Nobody knows, and so politicians and negotiators should not pretend to know. And what happens to British territories, such as Northern Ireland and Gibraltar? Spain claims Gibraltar for three hundred years, and now of course sees a golden opportunity. If that little piece of land with its 30,000 inhabitants remain British and do not belong to the EU, it is obvious by Spain the "British occupation" will be ended. The European response to May's letter states in the small print that Spain gets some kind of veto over the adoption of the final Brexit-treaty. All parliaments of the 27 EU countries shall indeed approve the treaty, and if that does not happen, the United Kingdom is actually removed from the Union without further pardon. That's not a good plan, but the Spaniards smell their victory and so will get straight on to a kind of blackmail.

What is a realistic expectation? The negotiating the Brexit-treaty probably is not going to happen in two years. But even if it does work, the negotiators may choose to take a very long implementation period, say ten years. If this is the aim - and that seems to be the case - the harsh tone will stop quickly.



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It's certainly not going to be a cheap process. One of the big complaints was how much money we send to the EU (which they lied about). It will cost billions to get out

  ·  8 years ago (edited)

It'll not be cheap indeed!

I wished for the British people they voted to stay with the EU. I really believe that would be better for the long term.

Note: the UK always had a very special deal, paying into the EU with a much lower amount per citizen compared to for instance The Netherlands and Germany with all the same benefits of free trade zone with EU and all the other benefits.

Pants on fire!

Typical Politicians, and underwriting my post. Pffff. Unfortunately all of this happened.

Brexit took me by a big surprise.

Even tough i dont support the way the EU is being managed by people who is not elected into office.

I still believe in the advantages of a united Europe for mutual gains for all member countries in the trade business, and i fear what will happen if other countries like France opt to leave also.

Agree; But may what is now hapening with the UK will move more French voters to stay in the EU. In our recent general elections also voters in Netherlands changes their votes to parties in favour of staying with the EU, while before the elections this was not the case. The mass may get wise :)

yes hopefully :)

Interesting post, I enjoyed reading your analysis. I am working on a post regarding the EU and cryptocurrency at the moment, hopefully out soon. Would like to see your opinions of it.
I have to say from my perspective the European Union seems very outdated, the idea of extreme centralization in a world that is moving towards decentralization seems bizarre. It seems a bit ironic writing about the future of the EU and its centralized control in Brussels on a decentralized blockchain based social media platform.
Thanks for your post

I do not think it'll make too much of a difference if blockchain type of decentralisation is applied to a world society or at smaller scales, ie scale doesn't matter too much. Certain things needs to be central in some way, not everybody can be an enforcer of the society rules, even if this is 'just' taking a murder in and put that person away from society.

I'm looking forward how you see blockchain applied to societies.

Enforcing law does not require a central authority in Brussels.
I am going to write about block chain and gov as well as cryptocurrency and the current financial situation in Europe. There are some exciting things happening in regard to blockchain! I would like your opinion for my article. As someone who lives in Amsterdam and the EU, do you find that people are discussing the potential for disruption to the Euro currency because of political uncertainty ? How much discussion about cryptocurrency is there within the Netherlands or amongst your family and freinds? I have talked to ppl from the UK and France but would like to have a Dutch perspective as well. I think it is important to listen to a diverse group of opinions. Thanks!

  ·  8 years ago (edited)

Enforcing law does not require a central authority in Brussels.

The ideal would be to have this on world scale, but I suppose this is quite far away if we would ever be able to reach that; With my comment that enforcement shall be somehow centralised, I didn't mean this should be EU and Brussels, it is more a general remark. I'm quite struggling with the fully distributed model with open and transparent information through Blockchain technology, and maybe even democratic type of voting, and the topic of enforcement that is inevitable for anything we all define as being bad and needs counter measurements, such as murderers; I really would like to read opinions and solutions to solve that part of the equation.

I am going to write about block chain and gov as well as cryptocurrency and the current financial situation in Europe. There are some exciting things happening in regard to blockchain!

Looking forward to your posts on this topic.

do you find that people are discussing the potential for disruption to the Euro currency because of political uncertainty ? How much discussion about cryptocurrency is there within the Netherlands or amongst your family and freinds?

Great, and like to give you my experience. In my circle of friends, almost nobody discusses this. I have some friends in the age group of 20-30yrs who know about Bitcoin more than just: "ow that is what criminals use, right?". I know of one friend who has Bitcoins. But most of my friends find crypto currency something that they heard of on TV/News, but complex and don't look at it all. The older generation: 35 and older, don't really talk about this; and our parents and grandparent in age group 60+ really do not talk about this at all! The news talks about Bitcoin, but mainly when something big happens, when lots of Bitcoins get stolen (like a couple of years ago), when Bitcoin jumps 100%+ in price level, when Darknet is discussed around topics of Silk Road closed down and so on, generally when something negative happens.

It is strange that we have this amazing technology blockchain and cryptocurrency, which could change the world and still hardly anyone knows about it!Thank you for your input! Your experiences will be useful in writing my article. Do you mind if I quote part of your response?
Thanks,
Digicrypt

  ·  8 years ago (edited)

You may quote, no probs. A reference would be appreciated :)

Reason that people do not really know about blockchains and crypto currencies is that nobody explains this in simple words.

Blockchain: "it is a database with history tracking and open to the public"; Why do we not explain it like that? Database is a term many more people understand, than blockchain.

Crypto Currency: well, same as before, ie we do not tell the world in simple wordings what this is. Why it is so special. In addition, crypto currencies had a rocky start, and still is for a large part. 100% value in/decrease on daily mass, hardly a currency type the mass will want to work with. Only recently financial investors from traditional part of their segment are looking to invest in crypto, BUT only in companies (not in the currency itself) AND only through trackers, not in owning stock directly. The market is also very very fragmented; Many companies will not survive, Many currencies will die. I actually think that CryptoLand (how I like to call it) is still to immature, to much in the criminal section of society (note: also the scams, the pump and dump) for the mass to be willing to listen honestly to good information. Keep in mind as well that it is not that easy to buy and sell crypto currencies using fiat currencies with the added complexity for most cryptos you need to go through the Bitcoin route. How impractical. It is like buying US$ with Euro's, but to be able to do that, you first need to buy the Chinese Yuan.

I will absolutely give you a reference! Yes we need to as a community do a better job of explaining both blockchain and crypto, the trouble is balancing a simple explanation with accurate info.
As far as volatility I agree with you yo a certain degree. There needs to be more price stability in order for it to be used every day. However, it is also a matter of perspective, if you live in Venezuela where they are experiencing hyper inflation BTC makes sense. But you are right about some of these alt coins that are pump and dump scams, I agree with that.
"How impractical. It is like buying US$ with Euro's, but to be able to do that, you first need to buy the Chinese Yuan."
Interestingly enough the USD is the worlds reserve currency meaning most countries have USD in order to settle international debts or trade in commodities like oil. Many commodities are price in USD not so dissimilar from how BTC is used. This is why I think BTC will be more a vehicle for settlement rather than an everyday currency in the future. Good points! Great discussion! I look forward to your thoughts on my article!

looking fwd

It's going to be a complete mess! On the upside, it'll pretty much ensure Scottish independence! :D

And after the Scots succeed, Catalonia is going for it as well, happy Spain, getting back Gibraltar, but loosing another part of the country. A complete mess as you say! :)

Spain will still have to justify Ceuta and Melilla.

And if Spain is really that hot on properties they owned before the War of Spanish Succession, then they should really be going after Sicily and Sardinia.

But Gibraltar is British, and Ceuta and Melilla are Spanish. And Sicily and Sardinia are Italian. You can't change that, no matter what flag flies over them.

I fully agree with you! Lets stop divorcing each other, splitting up and more of that. What good will it do? No nation will become more happy by doing so. Lets just see how (un)happy the British will be after a little while when being on their own.