How to make friends and influence people

themarkymark (78) · 7 years ago (edited)

13 thecryptodrive x x upmyvote/rando

thecryptodrive doesn't own either.

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abh12345 (76) · 7 years ago (edited)

Updated to just upmyvote, is this correct?

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idrisalban (20) · 7 years ago

it is amazing and memorable for my friends in your buddies steemit ..

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themarkymark (78) · 7 years ago (edited)

upmyvote got an 1,800 SP delegation from Minnowbooster market (today for the first time), but I assure you he doesn't own it. He delegates to a lot of people off the market.

ipromote isn't a bot , I own buildawhale and upmyvote

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stimialiti (60) · 7 years ago (edited)

Good that you brought it here, because I wanted to add that furion delegates 600SP (edit: now it is up to 15000 SP) to oceanwhale.
It seemed weird to me, that a big name witness delegates such a small (for him) amount to a medium sized bidbot, so I thought he decided to treat it as an experiment, but your comment made me think that he made it through the minnowbooster or smartsteem market, which is still weird due to quantities I mentioned before and in itself, due to him trying to benefit from a market, and while seemingly not an active member as an author or curator, he does need it at least for his political connections influence.
I guess he needs the small amounts of cash more than a small additional amount of political influence.

BTW, how do you rank these delegation markets, do you know about more, and how do you rank them including the additional markets you know ?
minnowbooster, smartsteem, blocktrades, neoxian.
I suppose minnowbooster and smartsteem can not be considered as single markets since they intermediate, but you can still have some input on them in other aspects, or measure them based on some weighted average of prices divided by time, which is what I meant in prices.

Does a longer delegation tend to be more expensive relative to its duration, or cheaper?
I assume that given the 1 week rest period a delegation has once its cancelled, a longer delegation should be cheaper relative to its duration, but there may be more factors to it, like risk premiums, bother premium, etc.

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themarkymark (78) · 7 years ago

Longer delegation is cheaper because with shorter delegation the 7-day cooldown hurts more.

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stimialiti (60) · 7 years ago

This is equivalent to a part of what I wrote.
How do you rank the delegation markets and do you know about more?

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themarkymark (78) · 7 years ago

I don't really rank them at all, that's why I didn't respond. I have only used MB and I only have a very tiny delegation from a market right now, everything I have done is individual.

As for more, there are no more public markets I know of, just private deals.

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adriatik (51) · 7 years ago

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dolphinbot (55) · 7 years ago

Great post! You've earned a 33.33% upvote from @dolphinbot

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adriatik (51) · 7 years ago

You got upvoted from @adriatik bot! Thank you to you for using our service. We really hope this will hope to promote your quality content!

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abh12345 (76) · 7 years ago

Thanks.

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taqi (53) · 7 years ago

Nice info.

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sajib7 (57) · 7 years ago

I have not understand all the post. What is the benefit by giving withness? Why i do that?

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wizardave (59) · 7 years ago

You can vote for 30 witnesses.

Click on the hamburger icon to the right of your icon at the very top right of any post.
- Click on Vote for Witnesses
  - Vote for up to 30 witnesses.
Please note: you can also vote witnesses that do not show up on this page.
- You might want to see @ura-soul's post about this situation
  - You vote for those not showing up on that page by entering their name at the bottom where it says
    If you would like to vote for a witness outside of the top 50, enter the account name below to cast a vote.

The idea of the witnesses is they represent you to Steemit, Inc.

So try to pick witnesses that are doing a lot for the entire Steemit platform.
- many have external websites that are very useful
- They all must run a server that supports the blockchain.
  - They make money for doing this.
    The higher they are on the list, the more money they can make.
    So by voting for those doing a lot for the platform, you are helping them do even more for the platform...

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amorrisreports (33) · 7 years ago

Thanks for this explanation. I'm really new on Steemit. I didn't at all understand voting for witnesses. I think I get it now. So the witnesses who are good to the community deserve our votes, while the self-serving witnesses don't deserve votes? Question--It seems like minnowbooster is good for the community because it encourages new users to stick around. But what do I know? This post suggests it's a bot and that bots are bad. How do you feel about it?

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abh12345 (76) · 7 years ago

So they can thank you :)

They keep the network alive, you should consider voting for some.

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sajib7 (57) · 7 years ago

I see. Thats great. Thanks for your information.

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playfulfoodie (68) · 7 years ago

After clicking through a couple of posts to find this handy list of yours, I'm finally here! Thanks for sharing it. I'm happy to see I only had to remove one witness vote for delegating to minnowbooster and this gives me the opportunity to cast my vote on a few others too!

Throwing you an upvote on your latest post, since this one has already paid out.

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abh12345 (76) · 7 years ago

Aww thank you! Glad you made it here through the Post jungle!

That's a really good set you had already having only needing to remove one vote, happy to see you have a similar criteria on how to pick 'em :)

playfulfoodie (68) · 7 years ago

Yeah, I haven't used all of my witness votes, because there are plenty of names in there that I don't know much about. I tend to only vote for those I know do good stuff, either because I've seen it with my own eyes, or heard it from a source I trust well.

Heck, I'm not even sure what exactly the votes do, but 'they' say it's important, so we should use them!

abh12345 (76) · 7 years ago

Would it be shameful for me to state that I have a shared witness with @paulag called @steemcommunity? 😊

We are 1 post in and 1 week old.

Basically, the more votes a witness has, the more blocks they produce and the more they are paid.

As myself and Paula delegate out a good amount of SP for free, and support communities like @curie, we think our witness is worth a look 😁

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playfulfoodie (68) · 7 years ago

That sounds good, you've got my vote!

Just don't start supporting voting bots ;-)

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abh12345 (76) · 7 years ago

Thank you very much! :D

ohh I've been called some names this week for being against them, don't worry about that!

lynncoyle1 (63) · 7 years ago

I really wanted to write "Good post" @abh12345, so you would give me the "HUH?!? " comment too! haha
....but this stuff is no laughing matter, is it?! I'm considering letting you be my proxy, which is huge for me because I'm big on controlling my own stuff, so to speak. I've got 15 or so voted on, but so many of those are on your list. I'm following this closely, but seriously, I'm private message you if I want you to take over, because truthfully, I trust your judgement and I trust your intentions even more.

I'm tagging @thedarkhorse here because he recently wrote a post wondering who to vote for so I know he's going to want to be in on this too.

Thanks for all you do Asher!

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abh12345 (76) · 7 years ago

Don't you dare 'good post' me! :D

My intentions are perhaps better than my judgement, but I think i'm on the right track with regards to Witness votes. I have a few spare but those will only be given once I know 'enough' to decide.

Thank you also for all the good vibes that you bring!

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lynncoyle1 (63) · 7 years ago

hahaha I just couldn't do that to you :)

My intentions are perhaps better than my judgement, but I think i'm on the right track with regards to Witness votes. I have a few spare but those will only be given once I know 'enough' to decide.

This has just made me decide, my new proxy buddy! I'll get Brian to do the same because I know he hasn't voted for any. And truthfully, change whatever you want on my list because, well, that's what proxy means haha See, it's hard for me to give up control ;)

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simplymike (67) · 7 years ago

Good call, @lynncoyle1.
If I would trust anyone with my list of witnesses (which for now, I don’t, ‘cos I’m a giant CTRL-freak myself -lol), it would be Asher!

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lynncoyle1 (63) · 7 years ago

I just know I'll never get around to researching them all! Sometimes it feels good to give a little control away :)

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simplymike (67) · 7 years ago

Ehm... I’m not sure I’m ready to agree with that, @lynncoyle1 ;0)

For now, I’ve voted for the people that have actively put in an effort when I was hacked. And some people that are providing services I use daily. I go slow, one witness at a time.

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lynncoyle1 (63) · 7 years ago

Yep I hear you loud and clear ;) I have about 15 selected, but I know Ash has the same ideals as me, and already knows a lot more than me, so...it seems like a win-win.

Scratch it off my list of to-do's. 'choosing witnesses'...done!

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thedarkhorse (67) · 7 years ago

Being tagged notifications really needs to be part of the steemit platform! Thanks for the message on discord to point me here.

@abh12345 thanks for taking the time to compile this list. I am going to have to review it against those I'm supporting.

Still not decided if bidbots are truly bad for steemit, but the way they are currently run isn't acceptable IMO.

I would love to be part of an account that is there to review content and give out downvotes for poor content that uses bots or other "arrangements" to get far to many rewards for the content provided. Stolen content and scammers getting not only the post reviewed nuked, but the entire account. Would need some serious delegations for this, but would be willing to put in time towards the efforts and give a list 2-3 times weekly of those who got flagged and why.

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simplymike (67) · 7 years ago

@thedarkhorse, nice to meet you. Any friend of @lynncoyle1 is my friend too ;0)

I’ve seen a post by @sneaky-ninja about setting up a new @sneaky-ninja abuse policy.
Basically, the post said that @sneaky-ninja will set up a team of people (called @steembotcleaners) to manually go through all votes that have been bought, and will deal with plagiarism and low-quality content.

I don’t know how they will manage to deal with it, but if you ask me, it is a step in the right direction...

thedarkhorse (67) · 7 years ago

Any friend of @lynncoyle1 is my friend too ;0)

Agreed and took a quick look at your latest posts. Added you to my follow list.

I have seen the post about the changes that sneaky-ninja is testing and very interested to see how that all plays out...and if it lasts. Really hoping that it will clean things up a little and maybe with less spammers buying votes there will be room for quality posts to use these services once and a while to get some exposure without loosing your butt doing so.

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simplymike (67) · 7 years ago (edited)

True.
But the question remains: who will decide what’s a quality post and what’s not? And why can’t a short post be of more quality than a long one?

Anyways, I’m just really glad to see that people are finally taking steps to do something about it. Because if nothing is done, SteemIt will go down. The trending page which is basically the main SteemIt advertisement, looks aweful. The wrong people and the wrong posts are being rewarded, and a wrong message is sent to the ‘outside world’.

Even if this @steembotcleaners experiment fails, it is good to see a bot owner being aware of the problem and willing to take steps to make a change. It might be the beginning of the future...

Btw, thanks for the follow ;0)

thedarkhorse (67) · 7 years ago

Quality is subjective, but cut & paste plagiarism and stolen photos/meme/videos don't deserve rewards. This is about original content not stealing from others and getting paid for it.

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lynncoyle1 (63) · 7 years ago

My pleasure @thedarkhorse; I'm glad you found it. I see that you've met @simplymike too...both of your introductions are very sweet...warms my heart.

It is good to see that at least it's all been noticed and something may be done about it. But I agree with @simplymike...some of it's pretty subjective, so who decides all of that? It would be nice however to get rid of the obvious spammy junk though!

simplymike (67) · 7 years ago

True. Often the difference between junk and ‘no-junk’ is like black and white, but there is also a grey zone.
I’ll just be happy if the real junk posts will be filtered out.

(I ust admit I do feel a little offended by being rejected by Smartsteem - that’s where the question about who decides what’s quality and what’s not came from, lol. I know I’m not a top notch writer, but I’m definitely not the worst...)

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lynncoyle1 (63) · 7 years ago

It should be easy to get rid of the obvious junk, right?!

I didn't know about you and Smartsteem. Their loss if you ask me! :)

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simplymike (67) · 7 years ago

There’s indeed a lot of crap that can be filtered out without having to look at it twice ...

And thanks, @lynncoyle1
Nice thing to say (but don’t you always - lol)

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lynncoyle1 (63) · 7 years ago

Well I mean every word of it missy! :)

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melvadg (54) · 7 years ago

I think I should update myself with my votes to the witnesses, I need a guide, I want to know everyone's work, I only voted for 20.

abh12345 (76) · 7 years ago

20 is a good start I think.

Here's the full list: https://steemian.info/witnesses

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melvadg (54) · 7 years ago

thanks :)

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anthonyadavisii (70) · 7 years ago

Thanks @abh12345,

Not only for the informative post but also the flags against that bid bot abuser we have been working on. I was able to get them blacklisted on maybe a few bots but doesn't seem to be enough.

I have a bit of ambivalence towards the abuse fighting witnesses that own bots so I retain a few votes that I otherwise would have pulled. Maybe these witnesses should use their amassed power to destroy the advances made by bid bot abusers. If I see anything less than decisive action from them, my bot supporting witness votes are going to be pulled. All of them.

abh12345 (76) · 7 years ago (edited)

Thanks for bringing them to the attention of the community.

Like many, I would rather use my VP/SP to upvote the good, and not down vote the bad, but I think everyone should not be afraid to down vote when the abuse is obvious, as it is in this case.

I have a bit of ambivalence towards the abuse fighting witnesses that own bots so I retain a few votes that I otherwise would have pulled.

Same.

Maybe these witnesses should use their amassed power to destroy the advances made by bid bot abusers.

This would be excellent. Slayer Sunday. The main bots join forces and wipe out all the junk that is compiled by the community each week.

I think @smartsteem have a 97% return rate on your investment. What if this was changed to 90%, and 7% was used to combat abuse?

And the other main Bots took a voting break for a round or two on a day of the week to also flag a community compiled list?

I'm sure the delegators to SS would not mind a small reduction in returns, and that the main bots are making enough to miss a round or two a week.

I think it would be a really positive move for the community and raise the positive profile of the Bid-bots.

Thanks!

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jeffjagoe (72) · 7 years ago

I know you are a master of data analysis here on STEEM and I woke up with an idea....

Is it possible to make a list of the top accounts utilizing bid-bots? The account name, how much total they spend, how much they receive back in votes, and which bots they are using... it seems like the trending pages and the top posts in all categories are from bid-botters

abh12345 (76) · 7 years ago

Hey Jeff

The first part would be quite easy - accounts and spends, but the 2nd part a bit tougher.

Most of Trending is fueled via the Bots for sure, and sadly I think this is likely to be the case for a while now...

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paulag (73) · 7 years ago

wow this is an eye opener and a great resource for those still trying to chose a witness

abh12345 (76) · 7 years ago

Cheers Paula!

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crypto-econom1st (57) · 7 years ago

Not many witnesses have or support bots. So I could conclude that witnesses are not really fans of the bots. On the other hand I could say they are not against bots. Cause as far as I know there is no witness that wants to do anything about it....

Hmzz, maybe I'm mistaking, one of them tried to prove a few times the ridiculously of the bots because you can basically get anything hot or trending. Perhaps that was markymark?

Anyways I'm against bots, but it seems I can not even do the smallest thing to get them whiped out of Town.

abh12345 (76) · 7 years ago

Yes you could say that from the numbers. You could also say that that 55% of the top 20 are very into Bidbots.

...because you can basically get anything hot or trending. Perhaps that was markymark?

Are you referring to this? https://steemit.com/trending/@themarkymark/trending-153

...but it seems I can not even do the smallest thing to get them wiped out of Town.

Indeed :/

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crypto-econom1st (57) · 7 years ago

Yup, that was the post from markymark I was referring to. I think yallapi is also against bots. But it looks like he is no witness. Or not in the top 50.

They normally say if you can't beat them, join them. So let me consider that for a while.
Issue with joining them is that I don't have any Steem or SBD, so that doesn't look like a possibility. Well I think I just concentrate on fun stuff 😀

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abh12345 (76) · 7 years ago

Sounds like a plan to me!

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pangoli (69) · 7 years ago

Keep being awesome bro. I'm fairly new to the platform as well, and the main idea behind vote bots (to push good contents up) was defeated long ago. i'm pretty sure we'll look into these issues as a community someday. who knows. In the mean time, The fun stuff it is.

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sathyasankar (63) · 7 years ago

What about using someone as a voting proxy? I use firepower who is from my country as my voting proxy...Is it a wrong way?

abh12345 (76) · 7 years ago

A proxy is fine. If you have faith they are doing the right thing then go for it :)

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buggedout (68) · 7 years ago

Great post mate. Very bold but important info.

I have a few of those guys.

abh12345 (76) · 7 years ago

Thanks man.

I have some on each side, but I think I know the future direction with the rest of my votes.

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buggedout (68) · 7 years ago

Yes, I think with this little consolidation in the STEEM price going on a few of these witnesses might need to clean up their act.

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funkit (60) · 7 years ago

With the witness pay AND a side-gig with either delegation, bid-bot or both, they don't have to worry about price.

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greenrun (66) · 7 years ago

I need to update my knowledge of bidbots as I'm just hearing of some of it now :)
You know how to dig out the good stuff. Excellent job here.

abh12345 (76) · 7 years ago

Have to make sure you get it 101% right though!

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taskmaster4450 (78) · 7 years ago

What does it mean if there is a name in the notes but no X in the owner or delegator box?

abh12345 (76) · 7 years ago (edited)

That means i forgot to add minnowbooster :) Thanks!

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wizardave (59) · 7 years ago

👏 Thanks @abh12345

You are helping the platform by adding to the transparency that should be top priority for the witnesses!
- Thanks for going out on a limb for We, the lil people...
  - Do any of the other witnesses run bots?

abh12345 (76) · 7 years ago

Thanks.

Do any of the other witnesses run bots?

Ohh yes :) This is only the top 50.

Many don't though too.

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deliberator (63) · 7 years ago

I think I am going to delegate my votes to you, if you do not mind? you seem to have a finger on the pulse so to speak.

abh12345 (76) · 7 years ago

I don't mind, it is your choice of course. I'm trying :)

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deliberator (63) · 7 years ago

already done, you are my proxy voter yay, saves me looking for 30 lol, Okay I know, lazy boy, nope just limited time, thanks my friend.

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abh12345 (76) · 7 years ago

No worries, I'll do my best!

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lynncoyle1 (63) · 7 years ago

That's a darn good idea @deliberator!

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deliberator (63) · 7 years ago

I was going to do a post proposing such idea last week, though never got around to it, not being sure if it was the kind of thing to promote.

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lynncoyle1 (63) · 7 years ago

Well I have always been one who prides herself on taking care of her own sh*t, but truthfully, @abh12345 seems to really have his finger on the pulse of this stuff and because of all he does on a regular basis to selflessly promote others and this platform, there is something to say for entrusting him with our votes! I am totally able to admit where my knowledge is lacking, and selecting witnesses is one of those areas. He obviously knows more than you and I, and I'm thankful that he is willing to do this for us :)

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cranium (76) · 7 years ago

Stunned. 18 with 50. What kind of life without bots can you say here ... It's time to adjust.

Оболдеть. 18 с 50-ти. О какой жизни без ботов тут можно говорить... Пора приспосабливаться.

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abh12345 (76) · 7 years ago

I thought it would be more to be honest!

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fr3eze (68) · 7 years ago

I can see bit bots have slowly become one of the most influential tools in Steem. Owner and delegator use it for profit, while vote buyer use it for visibility. We shall see how it is going to play out long term.

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sandrag89 (64) · 7 years ago

Today I was talking about that with a friend, and I think the information you share is helpful to the community. Thank you very much.

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maverickinvictus (64) · 7 years ago

Well I'm surprised that not everyone is involved in a bot because it basically printing money that is why a lot of huge SP holders delegate to it.

I have a couple of witnesses who are bot owners or involved as delegators as well and I also use bots because I am now at that point that its hard to get a curie vote because of my reputation and I have not yet seen a whale benefactor haha.

But I still try to get a good quality post.

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abh12345 (76) · 7 years ago

It's hard to see rubbish in trending and sit there not using Bots, I use them sometimes too.

Printing money now, so there is none left later?

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maverickinvictus (64) · 7 years ago

Interesting thought on the printing money and I had this kind of discussion with a mentor regarding the pros and cons of botting.

I rarely look at the trending because you either see heavily botted pieces there or self voted/circle jerked by certain individuals . There are certain people who are as high as 25%-80% in self voting and voting for about less than 5 people.

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abh12345 (76) · 7 years ago

Yes 'trending' has been ruined by both of the above. It is very rare that an article 'deserves' to be there due to community support/approval.

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ausharya (42) · 7 years ago

Despite being busy, it's a machine that works. Very good. Continue It will be good for everyone

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abh12345 (76) · 7 years ago

HUH?!

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lynncoyle1 (63) · 7 years ago

Good answer buddy! Although I do think you are a machine ;)

abh12345 (76) · 7 years ago

I know I'm not a machine because I feel the cold too much - so much so that I have coffee waiting but don't want to leave the bed to grab it!

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lynncoyle1 (63) · 7 years ago

hahaha sometimes it's sooo hard to get out of those covers right?!! Especially when you don't technically have too ;)

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abh12345 (76) · 7 years ago (edited)

Yes, I need that 'rallier' card above my head for encouragement :D

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lynncoyle1 (63) · 7 years ago

Right? You can hear him: "C'mon Ash, buddy, you got this, you can do it, I have faith in you! One step at a time! We're countin' on you!!" :)

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deliberator (63) · 7 years ago

and that comment above by nurmahdalena is a phishing attempt to get your master key.

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abh12345 (76) · 7 years ago

Thanks. It did look suspect.

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deliberator (63) · 7 years ago

Lol, you should do a post on the most inappropriate comments, now THAT would be fun. :-)

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abh12345 (76) · 7 years ago

I would not know where to start with collating that! :D

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beeyou (59) · 7 years ago

Huh is right. I see you are trying the busy tag today. Doesn't hurt to switch it around. I haven't tried busy site yet (it's actually blocked at my workplace). One day perhaps when I'm at home trying to figure what hobbies I have besides steemit.

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abh12345 (76) · 7 years ago

Yep. Didn't get a vote from them though! :D

Show us your home town in a blog!

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maverickinvictus (64) · 7 years ago

here you have a great conversation going on and we get this lol Huh indeed.

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munirahayati (43) · 7 years ago (edited)

Very good information it is amazing post like this.
😊😊
@abh12345

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enrique89 (63) · 7 years ago

Hello great report, I do not know if disappoint or keep fighting for the good of the platform without expecting anything in exchange for the big ones, which can make the difference by the principle of steemit, which is to support quality content from human visualization.

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rabeel (71) · 7 years ago

very Helpful Infos you shared .Thanks @abh12345

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mgood (53) · 7 years ago

Some questions if you have the time:

I understand that I have up to 30 votes. Is my entire SP added to each witness that I vote for or is it proportional?
Ex; If I have 300 SP and vote for 30 witnesses, does each of the 30 witnesses receive 300 SP or just 10 SP?
If I delegate some of my SP, does that decrease the amount of SP that each of the witnesses receive?
You spend a lot of time on the Steemit platform and post great articles on analysis of very important and interesting statistics. Why don't you become a Witness?
Is there some place to find out which witnesses a specific person voted for? That is, I'd like to know who you voted for so I have a better idea who to consider. I started voting for witnesses last week and right now I have voted for 11 Witnesses.

Thanks.

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followforupvotes (64) · 7 years ago

As a follower of @followforupvotes this post has been randomly selected and upvoted! Enjoy your upvote and have a great day!

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roselover (57) · 7 years ago

Great menu and great too
Well done I will certainly benefit from them

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rrahim (52) · 7 years ago

Good information.
Thanks for sharing valuable post

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starboye (53) · 7 years ago

that's how to go and win heart hahah i like that lets see :)

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blazing (70) · 7 years ago

didn't used a bot till now so can't say how that will work out

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starving (55) · 7 years ago

almost everyone in the top witness list has a bot ready

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coulers (25) · 7 years ago

Good shearing.

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tommyrisker (34) · 7 years ago

I will only upvote for each whale if he post on steemit that he want to be a witness, if I see his post.

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adekunle5 (32) · 7 years ago

Nice post you have here

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adekunle5 (32) · 7 years ago

Nice post you have here

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teejayomonla (36) · 7 years ago

Thanks for this information......i appreciate u sir

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farazali1850 (37) · 7 years ago

Very good information it is amazing post i like this

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marianadagraca (38) · 7 years ago

Thanks for info!

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elear56 (5) · 7 years ago

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abh12345 (76) · 7 years ago

NO!

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carlgnash (69) · 7 years ago

Your photos, so lovely. Just what I was thinking.

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