RE: Busy v2.4 Release: New features that will make you love Busy.org

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Busy v2.4 Release: New features that will make you love Busy.org

in busy •  7 years ago  (edited)

I love everything you did except... a referral program.

Busy now allows you to earn rewards by inviting your friends into the Busy ecosystem. Sending your referral link (http://busy.org/i/@your-username) will grant you 10% of the rewards of the new member for a period of 30 days. You can find your referral link on this page if you already logged on: https://busy.org/invite.

Referral links always are sending a wrong message to invited people. It is like saying implicitly "I will earn money thanks to you!".

Steem is already mind blowing for 99% people. Most of us didn't believe that Steem was legit, before we truly understand it. New people do not trust Steem by default, because Steem offers something they think is impossible. It is almost impossible to grasp from where those money came from...

A referral link will be yet another thing which will make Busy.org and Steem looking even more suspicious.

Whenever someone gives me a referral link (especially in crypto space) I am asking myself a question: "how this person is going to screw me over?"

Referral links are not needed

Steem is a blockchain-based social network. Every good social network is all about informal connections. Not technical connections like "referral links".

Steem already has much better a referral program - organic one

Do you remember the person who introduced you to bitcoin & crypto? Of course you do! Those kinds of events for many people become life changing events. You do not forget who made your live potentially better and for sure much more interesting.

This mean, that probably there is very high chance, that you feel very high sentiment to this person. And of course you are going to be biased when you will judge everything what this person will do, therefore people vote more often for people, which introduce them to Steem.

Also, if I invited someone to Steem and this person is successful, this person knows that I do not benefit from that directly, therefore my actions were from the beginning truly altruistic.

If I am a good and active Steemian there is very high chance, that this person will not only follow me, but also will support me by voting on my good posts.

Organic referral program is safer and more efficient to the network

But imagine a scenario that for any reason I become a bad actor of Steem. With organic referral program, a person who used to upvote my stuff will simply stop doing this. This person will have a chance to stop support me - and this is safer approach. I know that I need to behave in a good way to continue benefit from being a Steemian. This is safer to the network.

Also, this is more efficient for the network. Why? Because I need to still be active Steemian, to have a chance to be rewarded from my activity. If I will invite 1000 people and decide to abandon Steem, why I should still get rewards thanks to other people for next 30 days?

Referral links will be yet another reason to abandon Busy and move to Steemit

We all now, that you can execute the rules of referral program only with rewards beneficiers feature (please correct me if I am wrong), so that means, that referral program works only if a person will use Busy to publish a post.

That means, that to maximize a rewards people will be actually incentive to move to Steemit. It will not take long for someone to build a "helpful bot" which will publish a comments like "do you know that you can increase your earning by 10% simply by moving to Steemit from busy". Such bot will bring potentially useful message to people, so there is a high change, that actually those people will upvote those comments - so there is a big incentive to actually build such a bot.

If not a referral program, then what?

Well... you can create a lot of potentially much better features, which will benefit a users and system in the long run. For example:

Favorites Authors (exclusive following)

You already have great notification system - use it! When a new user setup an account, ask him which people he would like to add to "favorites authors". They you can suggest this with a message:

"It is not a bad idea, to add to favorites a person which invited you to Busy. Then you will be notified about all new entries of this person. Busy will also check what are favorites authors of this person and we will suggest them to you, so you will be able to decide whether you would like to follow them or maybe even add them to favorites authors as well."

Option to split rewards with someone

When someone write a post, you can ask this person, whether he would like to split a reward with someone. If that will be a first post, you can suggest that it is not a bad idea, to split a reward with someone, who invited you to Busy. This should be voluntary... and a people should be able to give any percentage to this person. So maybe someone will decide to give 20%, 50% or 100% from a post to someone.

With such a feature users will be incentivized to focus first on bringing big players to Steem and onboarding them as they were kings, because 50% or 100% from introduceyourself-post of some big star can be much much more than 10% from a lot of small fishes.

Other options

I am pretty sure, that there are planty of other better ways to increase acquisition of new users by Busy. It is also obvious that referral systems have a bad connotation and... for sure and not very innovative. I believe that team of Busy.org can do much better than that.

Sincerely, big fan of Busy.org,
@noisy

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From a purely idealistic standpoint, I would agree with you. However, I'm very disappointed with the organic growth STEEM and steemit has had since the summer. We are approaching 1 million accounts created, which is a very low number considering that the blockchain is as revolutionary as it is and provides opportunities to people that are really unheard of elsewhere. My expectations were at least 5 times the current numbers with or without HF20.

While I agree that steemit inc should not themselves run a referral program for the reasons that you stated, I think it is good if Dapps and alternative STEEM front-ends tries this out. While you may very well be right in how it may result in adverse selection of people and thus declining quality, you might also be wrong. Having some different branches of the STEEM ecosystem try out something new for the rest to observe and take notes is something that I am all for, even when I am not convinced 100% of the idea.

in this interview

Watch @ned @sneak and @pkattera talk about the future of Steemit at the Austin meetup - video by Ruwan Perera

@pkattera hinted (8:40) that the onboarding processing will be more automated soon. I think it's near completion and needs just a bit patience.

Too bad they give us "soon" instead of clear timeframe.

I think that's a pretty big deal. People tend very strongly towards inaction, and anything that can smooth it out and make people wait less or do less is a great change.

I just heard about someone in Africa that spent since JAN waiting?
YES, this need to get fixed sooner than later and has been in waiting FAR TOO LONG, and I have made many posts about this fact as well, and will START TO DO SO AGAIN.

Good Best Great and Woooooooooooow

However, I'm very disappointed with the organic growth STEEM and steemit has had since the summer.

the question is... how many people are waiting for account activation. From my experience, a lot! This is what slows our growth.

Having some different branches of the STEEM ecosystem try out something new for the rest to observe and take notes is something that I am all for

I totally understand that. That's why I decided to also share my ideas for alternative approaches. Actually we can test multiple things at the same time.

the question is... how many people are waiting for account activation.

Less than 5 million. I wish we were at 10-20m.

Actually we can test multiple things at the same time.

This is exactly why I believe so strongly in STEEM and similar blockchain projects, the opportunity to have both benefit from decentralization that enables and allows open innovation which only occurs when many small agents are allowed to create what they think is the best solution, while at the same time having a "central" standard for data that is the blockchain which all apps relate to. But that's also why I felt the urge to write in support of them trying out this approach. While I agree with your points that the best on-boarding is those that are done organically by people being excited to share STEEM with others, I still see room for both. After all, PayPal used to literally pay their first new users and did aggressive marketing saying "sign up now and get 20$ worth of credits for free!" and look where they've gotten. Similarly, many successful StartUps that managed to ScaleUp, as well as list builders, did so by clever referral programs.

Let's both allow dapps to try different ways of obtaining new users while we at the core can foster and encourage what we see as a best-practice for onboarding.

Scale-by-Pay is a VERY dangerous move.
Also it brings even more toxic traffic than referrals.

I agreed with your comment

Agreed, although I don't think referrals will help all that much. The number 1 gameplan atm should be to make the sign-up and onboarding as quick and good as possible..

It is certainly true that while the existing bottle-neck exists, any referral program will be less effective. So yeah, that must be done first.

completely agreed! however once this is solved referrals will definitely be the way forward.

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Excuse me, but I don’t get the point you want to say. Maybe it’s lack of my understanding or maybe a vague and paradox in your comment. I tend to the former probability ( lack of my understanding) 😊

I can't agree more.
Referrals bring much toxic traffic and is not a wise marketing choice

A really good point 👍🏼

how sure are you?

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@bronevik i think you are right. Referrals will make it look like networking and people are very skeptical about networking.

What did you expect when money is the incentive. The referral system is based on pure greed.
If a system is useful there is no need of a referral system.

If really useful, there is no need paying someone else to promote it.
Referral links are just evil.

Not mention all the tracking by busy.org

See this screen of all the scripts on a random Busy post:
busy01a.png

Most people will just make it all about racking up many referrals who do not do anything, and others just join so there would be referrer leaves them alone. Nice contribution @noisy.

Perfect ! Here I am doing the same as you. You inspired me!good post:)

wow really such a gre idea busyorg.will be busy for sure.

hopefull @lorner

Ahh ok thanks for the respond. @deditwing

I hate referrals too

Agreed

@dhouse

URGENT: @amirtheawesome account has been compromised, he's not awake now but he has reported to steem. please undelegate your Steem until he can get his active key restored from Steemit Inc.

oh geez.

it's not his fault, in fact he was smart about it, he had busy open and removed all the scammer's messages, upvotes, flags, and did drained all the VP so the scammer can't use it to hurt others.

I think referral program is very good, because a lot of people are very active in steemit but they still earn cents, I invited a lot of people in steemit and I keep inviting them, but I didn't earn nothing from that, even all those 3800 followers I have are mostly new people invited by and and I post everyday for more than 10 months, but keep earning cents, I like the idea of busy now because I will be happy to earn those 10% because I think I really deserve it, it's not my fault if whales think that I care only about money if my login is clixmoney, I just choosed it because the first website where I ever earned money was clixsense, and my youtube channel had the same name before I joined steemit and it's only a marketing plan. Even people who I invite more than 50% from them are not earning so much like me, they like this option that busy provide as well. I hope I will not be flaged because I am not agree with you, I am just saying my opinion, thanks.

The cost benefit ratio is off anyways. It's a referral program that, while the negative image effect's magnitude is debatable, definitely has the cons you mentioned. I think you could say, maybe if the referral system really drives people to put a lot of time and effort into getting people to join, maybe the negative image would be worth it (I still don't think so, but just for the sake of the argument). You are not going to have people going out and working hard to get people to join for this referral program.
The only people I can see who would benefit are those who have huge audiences, but if they use STEEM they already have an incentive that is far greater to get people to join, which is the potential upvotes of all of their fans.
I can see the cons being there, even if I can't see exactly how big they are. I don't see the pros. Maybe a different program would make them clear, but not this one.

Good post:)