Steem Retention Rate: What Are The Facts?steemCreated with Sketch.

in busy •  6 years ago 

I see people posting quite often how bad the Steem retention rate is. There are many who complain that we are losing so many people and that this is a total failure. But my question is it?

Thus, I decided to look into it a bit more.

There are two things we need to look at:

  • What is Steem's retention rate?

  • What is the typical retention rate for social media?

I will take the second one first. In doing a search, I did not come up with a lot of stats. I imagine the reason is the same as we are going to have to confront in answering our first question.

The data that I came across was rather old but I imagine it still holds somewhat true. The best source seems to be Statista which tends to have fairly reliable numbers.

According to that site, in 2015, the average retention rate for all social media is 8.7%. That is it.

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https://www.statista.com/statistics/523845/highest-retention-social-android-apps/

What jumps out is the rate for Facebook nearing 70%. We all know that Steem is not Facebook so using that is not really comparable. Neither are many of the other social media applications since they have been around for many years.

The other thing to keep in mind is that the 8.7% is an average. If we remove the biggest ones, we find that the average of the "also-rans" would be much lower. Nevertheless, we can go with the 8.7%.

Now we get to the fun stuff.

What is Steem's retention rate?

At present we have roughly 1.1M accounts. According to the stats that @penguinpablo puts together, there are roughly 50K daily transacting users each day. Doing some rough math, that give us a retention rate of 4.5%.

There are a couple points here to consider. We know that the 1.1.M is accounts, not people. There are a number of people on here with multiple accounts, especially from the early days. I have come across many accounts that joined in mid 2016, late 2016, or early 2017; their first post, 3 minutes ago.

I surmise the first 100K people or so had multiple accounts. Many of these people are developers who keep opening things up under different names. This is conservative but we will presume that there are 100K duplicate accounts leaving us with 1M people.

The 50K accounts mentioned before is those that actually transact. Thus, we need a different way to look at this.

Fortunately, @vlemon recently did a post which analyzed the traffic on Steemit. We will use this which excludes the other applications.

In the post, it was shown that Steemit traffic is way down from the start of the year. It went from 1.5M daily visits to 500K. This should surprise nobody as we know traffic is down. So, according to this research, there are 500K visitors to Steemit each day.

But there is a catch.

Also, remember that if you connect from a different device (home/work computer, mobile phone, tablet) you will count as a "new visitor" on each of these devices.

Thus, we cannot conclude there are 500K each day. Hence, we are going to have to make an assumption. Let us say that each person who visited Steemit in October averaged 2 devices. We know there are some who use one device like a mobile while some others will use 3 or 4. But I think an average of two is fairly accurate.

This leaves us with 250K visitors a day. Of these visitors, how many of them are users. I look to this chart to tell the story.

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https://busy.org/@vlemon/steemit-statistics-and-big-data-end-of-october-2018-update

I am going to presume account holders access Steemit directly as opposed to using search or social media referral. This is 34.4% of all traffic. Using our 250K visitors, that means we are at 86K. Of course, there could be some people who type in Steemit for a variety of reasons, so let us knock 6K off that total, leaving us with 80K.

Hence, I conclude (with some presumptions made) that roughly 80K Steemians are on here a day. If we feel there are 1M actually account when eliminating duplicates, we are at a retention rate of 8%. This is slightly below the 8.7% average that Statista came up with.

Of course, we need to remember this is Steemit only. @vlemon did a follow up analysis using a few of the apps. The conclusion there were another couple millions visits added through the month which might affect the numbers. I am going to omit adding any of this because I will conclude that, of all those using other apps, many also use Steemit.

To read that post:

https://busy.org/@vlemon/steem-ecosystem-statistics-and-bigdatas-end-of-october-2018-update

So what is Steem's retention rate?

Based upon this, I think it is safe to say it is somewhere between 7%-9%. This is not outstanding by any stretch of the imagination nor is it going to send Facebook into a panic. Certainly, there is a lot of room for progress.

However, I do not think it accurate to say the rate is abysmal. The rate is close to the average retention rate for all social media sites.

Also, many say that this is after 2.5 years, insisting that Steem should be further along. The truth is that it is ONLY after 2.5 years. Steem is still a very new entity. Most of the social media sites that compile those stats are a lot more than 2.5 years old. We need to remember how long it takes for word to spread.

One final thought: this is the world of cryptocurrency which adds another layer. People do not understand. The vast percentage of people have no idea what it is or how it works. This will change over time.


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as soon as the price starts going up and up and up we will get a lot more people transacting daily

sure, but then we fight the losing war of "always rising profits". Once Steem stagnates, or drops a little bit, the people who were only here for profits will leave.

We need something other than money to keep people coming back.

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money was what brought most people here

yup, and most people are leaving.

ask any startup, ask any rich person, ask any cash-filled entity, they'll all tell you the same thing:
Money will not keep people around forever.

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Humans are not needed anymore. AI and Robotics can handle Human tasks.

This is exactly why AI and bots should not be assuming human/social roles. They're useful tools for people - not people.

Society is people.

Thanks!

AI and Robotics can do all the data processing tasks. That will say all the Internet stuff. Anything that takes Brain or Body can be done by machine

as soon as the price starts going up and up and up we will get a lot more people transacting daily

i don't really understand the numbers or to be more exact what they represent and why should we care that much for specifically these numbers as i believe the problem lies elsewhere. I'll try to be more clear and explain what i mean.

Sure it's really important to count the number of visits we have in daily,weekly,monthly basis as we can understand and see how popular steemit is but how accurate those numbers can be?

Also, remember that if you connect from a different device (home/work computer, mobile phone, tablet) you will count as a "new visitor" on each of these devices.

You will also count as a new visitor if you delete the cookie, change the ip address which can be easily done if you are using wifi from cafeterias,restaurants,free town wifi etc etc. There is also a maximum visit length for all the people that don't have an account and i don't know the timeline it is set. If for example is 5 minutes, every 5 minutes it will count as a new visitor, if it's 6 hours then every 6 hours and it goes like this. There are also more ways that the number of visitors can be misleading but let's go with the above for now.

Now let's go to the 50k daily active users that i think is way more important to know the exact number as we can understand better what we missing and where some "problems or answers" lie. As we all know by now and you mentioned in your post too this number is tied with the every transaction. That means that if someone does a simple upvote,comment,resteem,buy/sell,power up/down,reply,post etc etc will count as an active account.

From that number i think it will be ok to exclude around 10k (most think it's more) that are bots and atl accounts. So we are left with 40k daily active accounts. Here is the catch A lot of people for many reasons use autovoting services and curation trails. Where does this leads? The answer is simple: to be counted as daily active users even though they might be in a deserted island with no internet connection! My speculation is that the daily active accounts are around 10k even less

Now if we check a little back at the netcoin's contest that was hugely promoted by anyone even in the form of rewards/upvotes for simple votes which attracted a lot of people that are characterized by this phrase "good post sir", we can clearly see that there is something in common. In that contest were the average person voted 3-4 times the total result shows that the actual users that voter were less than 10k

In other words the reality show us that the actual daily active users are around 10k or less. Those users are the way we can get more visitors but first we need to find ways for more engagement, dapps are a good solution in an extend but users need to bond more. Finally, if we had 80k visitors per day and exclude the daily active steemians why nobody registers? The stats show that the number of daily active users is quite stable between 49k-52k . Thus i highly doubt that we have 80k of visitors in daily basis or that we should care a lot by that

Sorry for the long post

"Sorry for the long post"

You relayed some good information and thinking highly relevant to the discussion, and I can't imagine doing it with a shorter comment.

Thanks!

Totally agree with you.
500k looks totally inaccurate to me. Especially if you don't have the main source to do some traffic analysis.
10k or less seems more realistic.
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thanks for checking it out! (cause i think mostly nobody else did :P)

Your comment was super interesting, and you should write some kind of reply-post ;-)

i don't like doing reply-posts it reminds me of diss tracks :P Also, i consider it a lost case cause mostly nothing gonna change. The fact that the person who am actually commenting on his post a long-ass comment that thanks to you and another person is the first comment and still don't get a response shows me exactly that. I will pretend that he is busy and will reply later (till the 7 days payout, or after see this comment as well :P) but i highly doubt that. I have also made 1-2 comments like that to people with a bunch of sp and same again nobody replied, there is nothing more to say i will just basically stop commenting to their posts!

Yep! I know exactly what you mean ;-)
I was thinking... "Why is this guy - @taskmaster4450 - not replying to this comment... and to all the other comments?!?!" ... lost case, you are right!

hehehe i see what you did there :P

Also, i wanna suggest to take the comment upvote back cause after hf20 if the upvote worth 0,01$ then it goes back to the reward pool (so nobody wins :P), only in post worth even if it's 1cent. I use to vote mostly every comment too but now with the extreme drop in prices even my 0,02 will soon become 0,01, so you if you will take back and use them to post of some other person, it will surely add value than way!!

Thanks ;-) I will try to avoid that.

I always enjoy reading your posts.

@taskmaster4450 I am Just Curious how you feel about the Future of Steemit ? I read this Post by @hilarski yesterday and He Thinks we are in the Rear View Mirror as he put it, What say you ??

https://steemit.com/steemit/@hilarski/krakow-is-in-the-rear-view-mirror-and-i-have-a-feeling-steemit-is-as-well

Hi @stokjockey. I give him credit, he is consistent. He was saying a similar thing in the past.

I think he is missing most of the story that is here. The app developers are telling a much different tale. We are seeing a ton of progress in my view based upon the development.

It is easy to knock things when they are starting.

Thank You @taskmaster4450 and I agree. I Think Steemit will be just Fine and I actually would not have Delegated to different Projects like @steemhunt and @dlike if I thought that Steemit would be Closing the Doors and was Failing.............

You probably need to account for the fact that about 3/4 of the people have multiple accounts also so that probably knocks retention down to about 3% on a good day. I know I log in on my home laptop, phone, work laptop and I use different interfaces likd busy to write posts and I run my curation trail so hell I may account for 1% of the traffic. lol

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I would upvote you but I am at less than 80% at the moment for some reason.

This post made me really happy it gets rid of a lot of that speculation and moaning about whether or not people are staying around and actually is far more positive than that. I think it is really good news.

Can't you put bacon and tomatoes in a pan?

Sorry, I was using my dictaphone but I'll leave that in there because it amuses me.

Thanks for this post.. cheered me up, especially coz I bought steem last night. Oh.. and 4 accounts, me. One is husbands and he doesn't use it. Another I lost password for and don't use. This one, and @naturalmedicine.

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I've been so addicted to your blog lately, the rate at which you shun news out concerning Steemit is mind blowing.
As usual, am resteeming.

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I think that retention rates are improving with the increased engagement of DApps and how they interact with their communities. I remember reading a post by @paulag where she did some retention analysis of the overall community and the @steemjet community if I am not mistaken. Maybe she will be able to shed some more light on your thoughts.

Excellent analysis! I found your blog a few weeks ago and it helped me a lot to understand aspects of steemit that I didn't know.

The problem with steem is partly its strength. Decentralization. The method of creating users is a very big limitation. Internet people are lazy. Without an agile system, many give up. I am like a preacher of cryptos and many complain about it. (Two friends registered this week @asadito and @niillaa ) and a scientist who writes very well ( @severianx )

But you will probably find some way as steem is growing and evolving quite a bit in recent times. There is the claim account but I don't have enough SP for this yet!

Sounds so accurate.
Keep adding value to the platform!

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So in reality, we're better than the average given that there is the crypto layer surrounding the whole thing? Or would you say that the two cancel each other out since Steem somewhat offers the monetary incentive straight off the bat?

Nevertheless, great read as always It's nice to be back after a few months away from the platform to see you're still putting out the truth. Maybe this is a question that you might not want to answer, but I'll shoot anyway...

If you could choose 3 of your articles from the last 3 months to share with a reader, which 3 would they be? (doesn't need links if it's a hassle, a rough idea of the title would suffice)

Nice investigative reporting @taskmaster4450 ! I just felt it was important to add my cliche two cents here, quality over quantity. While there are certainly some shit posts floating in the fish bowl, the majority of my feed is filled with interesting and pertinent information in regards to making blockchain life better for one and all. Aside from that there is just plain cool shit and plenty of great communication when compared and contrasted to the other guys. If I want to see a grilled cheese sandwich or someone complain about things they can't ever hope to comprehend I know where to log in and it ain't here in the steem pool.

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Steem is novel technology, and faces novel impediments and potential. Stinc is probably highly informed as to these matters, and focused on negotiating that terrain to the best of their abilities. I whine with the best when my particular expectations aren't met, but at the end of the day I reckon Stinc is doing a pretty good job of negotiating in unknown territory, all things considered.

I appreciate very much your cogent analysis, and that this conversation is undertaken. Folks generally discount non-financial matters, but in truth the best reasons for Steem aren't financial, but societal. Given the reality of censorship, propaganda, and the threat of war and existential catastrophe that ever loom, a global platform able to resist censorship has very strong non-financial support. When the SHTF, Steem will prove highly resilient, and I would expect use to skyrocket. Failing SHTF, Steem is the gorilla king in the space of tokenized social media, and I expect market forces to continue to deliver market share to that new space, as it provides benefits that aren't potential to competing social media.

I remain reasonably confident that Steem will continue to grow, and highly confident that game-changing external conditions, or internal development, may well potentiate viral growth at some point, and probably not too far into the future.

Thanks!

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