The narrative is that content creators are being over-rewarded. I've heard it from several of the top witnesses, who have stated in different ways in different places. Witnesses can't afford to take a pay cut, the inflation interest can't afford to take a pay cut, but the content creators are overpaid.
Before I get into it though, I want to state that the stakeholders absolutely have the right to make whatever changes they want. DPOS is clear - stake makes the decisions.
top 35 accounts graphed only against each other.
The Value is in The Community
The use of the words Content Creators isn't enough, because what they/we are is the active community. The people playing the games, providing traffic, shilling Steem and doing anything that is close to Marketing. The community is the reason the games are on the State of Dapps and doing well. We are the traffic and we are what makes Steem different from any other token out there. Many people here developed art and stories inexpensively for Splinterlands. We bought and played the game. I think more Steem Community Members participated in the TRON launch than TRON users. So, don't be so quick to think more development without a community is going to assist Steem.
Meanwhile, many stakeholders decided the inflation pool was their ROI and instead of viewing it as adding value to their investment, they decided voting was an act of altruism. Well, I don't need or accept charity, so you can take your altruism and ROI and shove it. :)
I've never accepted charity in my life and your shitty vote is not an act of altruism, it is an act of investment. You better get your thinking straight before you rekt this place.
That is why you will find me over supporting SCOT tokens and Palnet.
I am both of these things, but I also consider myself to be the third thing too. What that actually makes me, I don't know... but I do know that the best way to get people actually thinking, doing, and listening is to talk directly to them instead of at them, around them, or over them. It's a lesson that I hope we see more people in both ecosystems learn and put into practice.
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You are all those things, and more, but I observe you are not a profiteer, seeking to maximize how much value you can extract from other's posts and insert into your wallet. Those folks, and those mechanisms that allow unrestrained profiteering, are the ones claiming creators are overvalued and causing Steem to fall on CMC, and the price of tokens to not increase.
There are communities even you, dear joiner, don't want to be part of.
Thanks!
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YOU DA SUPER STEEMIAN!
Give this girl a medal! :)
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I talk in all of the places all of the time. Anyone can feel free to start up a conversation any time.
I engage with you and others that are also engaged every day. I can't talk to people who don't engage. So, yeah... I'll talk at them
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mmm. This was less a condemnation of you and more an acknowledgement that those of us upon high (imposter syndrome for myself kicks in here) cannot do that — because it is pissing the community off.
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You are here and engaged. I was mentioning to Marky, he gets a lot of shit from me because he is actually engaged..
It's those who aren't here and have no idea what is going on that drive me crazy.
Hey Guys I popped in to see if we could change the rewards yet, so I can stop upvoting all my accounts. Grrrrr. :) lol
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What are SCOT tokens and Palnet
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Palnet.io is the first community token which has provided airdropped tokens for the current community. It's a pretty great project.
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@whatsup,
Supporting SCOT, yeah a good idea! But somehow I feel SCOT will replace SMT and sometimes they might go for a new blockchain! I have got this dirty feeling, but don't know why was that! Probably due to my past experience with STEEM platform!
Cheers~
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Couldn't agree more. Actually, in one of the endless debates on this issue I came across a comment saying content creators were a 'drain' on this platform... what else is there to say?
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yep, i've been hearing that too.
Of course, it is you who drained it... Not Heijin, not Traf, not those who wouldn't downvote. It was you gentle content creator.
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....and lets not forget the customer service mantra ...'if they don't like it, they can fuck off'
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I wish you better luck dying on this cross than I had, but I think the disconnect is so great that they just don't see it. I spent so much time trying to get this point across and push fixing curation, but short sighted people are just short sighted I guess.
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I thought about that before I posted this. This wasn't me thinking I would change them.
It was me talking to the rest of you! I see you. I see what you've done. I know who adds the value and it sure as hell isn't those pushing for financial changes.
This was to and for the community. They will not hear it, for they can not see it.
They don't log in they don't engage and they have no fucking idea what is happening here and why it is special.
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You can explain math all day to a rock, it still wont be able to add anything up....
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Too late, by two years, imo.
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Riggedy rekt son!
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Palnet is already 50/50 authors/curators.
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I didn't talk about 50/50 at all. I am not for or against 50/50. I am opposed to the way the conversation is happening. I am opposed to hail mary hardforks.
But mostly I am sick of the attitude.
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Ding ding ding!!!
It's like dragon/gold sickness in Lord Of The Rings, minus any cool plot line where they snap out of it to save the realm.
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We should make a compilation - wise words of whatsup~
Exactly my point in few conversations out there but somehow - they find their own reasons why it is not really that and explaining all sorts of stuffs and excuses.
Anyway, well summed up.
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Thanks. The funny part is mostly it will only be the community who hears it.
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we should, i find hard to find them :D "One thing I am sure of, if you have to pay yourself to take care of your own investment... It's not much of an investment, it's a scheme."
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They will never get it, the number of times I see the comment that content creators are overrewarded does my head in. It usually comes from people who can't create content worth a fuck. They then assume that everyone is like them and can't create anything worth a fuck therefore any that get rewarded for it is getting overpaid for shitty content.
Baah, dicks.
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They will not get it, I agree.
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Hear hear
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You preach it!!
Along these lines, you know what struck me this week? Participating in a The Ramble/The Inner Blocks radio show and @shadowspub said that steemit inc sells 900k steem every month right at the beginning of the month.
I understand covering expenses but that is a huge, programmed sell off of a blockchain currency that doesn’t add value!
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Very counter productive 😒... did they ever think of banking some traditional fiat and using traditional lines of credit to run the traditional side of business 🤔
'Selling off' for day to day biz opps is what killed most of the legit ICO's last year. Many learned the hard way when the market went south. It's just not a sustainable approach.
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yea, would be great to get paid each week no matter how effective you are....
It seriously reminds me of bank bail outs.
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The way the blogging/social frontends are built on the steem blockchain make content creators into non-value adding entities. In order for content creators to add value their presence needs to attract resources from outside the network.
Just having some people posting on steemit, busy, palnet, etc does not generate value. So in the current enviornment content producers are a financial drain. I dare to say that the majority only take money out but do not bring money in (directly or indirectly).
Steemit is doing this now with ad placement (you would have thought that this was a no-brainer considering that it's a proven model to monetize the traffic that it generates...but I digress). Althought their ad revenue does not bring additional value to us (other than their reduced need to sell stake to cover their costs).
So the real question...is can we create ventures that can capture value from the outside for all of us?
Other than blogging platforms can we take advantage of the blockchain as fast, zero fee and immutable record keeping tool to offer something to the outside world?
Maybe we should start brainstorming of ways that we can use the properties of steem to offer services to the "real world".
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What you are saying about content is simply about content.
You are forgetting those people who create the content, create the traffic, play the successful games, gamble, market, volunteer to do things like the foundation.
They hold the eyes that people buy bids on the bots to see up and coming projects, they hold steem, they do all the things that are the only value steem currently holds.
No one comes here for the posts, they come here for the community.
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Not exactly, of course all those things have some value. Without them steem would be at zero. The fact that I use my voting power to support the spanish speaking community and seldom do it on myself means that I think that it's in my best interest to have a more widespread distribution (however small my contribution maybe). I am hoping that some of them are smarter than me and can make things happen (you never know).
I am just exaggerating to make the point that rewarding people here is not enough. We must give to those that work on bringing resources from outside of our steem bubble. With some notable exceptions most of the "projects" built here are just geared towards milking the reward pool (directly or indirectly).
If I had the resources I would meet and backup anyone who is willing to come up with out of the box ways of using this tool (steem) to acomplish what I outlined above while increasing the value of my holdings. Unfortunately I have neither the funds nor the time to do it.
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Oh! I missed your point. I agree, we need to market, do PR, highlight our top features, but first we need a sellable vision. We don't have that.
Anyway, thanks for clarifying what you meant, I agree we need people outside of our bubble.
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Anything that needs to query a reliable record of any piece of data is a candidate to take advantage of the properties of the steem blockchain. We could even run a payment procesing service with a fiat backed asset at a fraction of the cost of visa (regulations aside).
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This right here folks are what we'll look back as the version of , The Shot heard around the world , re: Steem & Stakeholders. Sit back and think slowly what Whatsup is saying. It packs a punch!
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They can't hear it. They look at math graph and think it's going to ad value. I mean it's a waste of words other than the community deserves to hear it.
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They say the "SteemIt Killer" is out there, like EOS. The irony is it's right in front of us.
It could end up being its own community. Kill the community, and you kill Steem/it.
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I will keep saying it, steem is cannibalism...im also not convinced there was ever a long view. Get in get out, do other things while the leftovers are left to toil and trouble themselves with a platform that was a stepping stone for those that got in on the ground-floor and knew the game
If Ron Swanson is correct and I'm not saying he is it stands to reason smart investors would've come here by now and marketed this platform to the internet Normies and we wouldn't be the 60+ ranked coin and our top landing page wouldn't be ranked 5320 !
I posted a ranking thingy the other day and also expressed concern that one our best assets for adoption a good mobile interface seems to have abandoned it's baby @partiko.
Marky said it the other day, "Hemingway if alive could drop a novel on us and it would make pennies" (paraphrasing) The point is that content discovery isn't working and the 7 day window of opportunity makes it an act in futility to make great stuff in a system that clearly doesn't support the cause from any angle.
Riggedy rekt son!
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@partiko quit?
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I only know I can't get in touch with what used to be a very active creator @cryoto.talk and the discord has nobody at the wheel either. No updates, no news, no posts. Nada
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......I might be 'woke', but I still can't smell any coffee
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I see that you have bought some PAL tokens, which is putting your money were your mouth is! Great to see!
Communities are indeed the way to go. I was always hoping that steem.inc would have given it a higher priority above SMT.
What we do see here is more or less and SMT but than without the SMT functionality of steem.inc!
Keep on blogging!
Cheers,
Peter
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I know some people invested serious money and are looking to make a return, but I am here for the community. I make a little, but it's not such a big deal really. We normal users outnumber the investors, but we lack the power to influence where Steem goes. Even if we all change our witness votes it may not make much difference.
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Can you drop some names plz?
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I'm not going to make it personal, let's look at it the other way....
When is the last time you heard a witness thank the community for support?
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I think the only time I heard it was by Aggroed and that's only because, pumpkin removed his vote....etc etc...you probably know the story.It's been months since then...
Other than that when you hear top witnesses stating that community members are over payed, I think community needs to know who makes these allegations...
I mean ffs who is over payed around here other than a handful of people. Those aren't the whole community. In fact community is earning pennies...the majority at least.
But I respect your decision not to expose that sort of stuff in public view.
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They never say it because they don't answer to the community they don't acknowledge the value in the community and they don't talk to the community.
They answer to those stakeholders in the graph and who the hell are they anyway?
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They are nobodies. Some have some technical skills and some were fortunate enough to be here since the beginning. Some might also have ninja mined SP too....
What bothers me most though is that everyone around here used to complain about Steemit’s lack of communication and while this is sort of fixed, they (witnesses) have zero communication with the rest of us.
In fact now that Mira has launched they are the ones who are over payed
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Can you splain that to this plankton? I see PALNet getting a bunch of support, but as a front end it ... looks like barely steemit level (which is why I'm typing this through busy.org right now) - I mean, I followed the instructions and trusted that browser extension with my keys like it wanted so I could claim my 48 Pal (tokens?) - and then I staked them because wtf...no one splains any of this...
... but why does the people with the most steem being terrible humans point toward the use and support of PALNet?
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Okay, so when we vote on PAL we use our PAL to vote.
The PAL distribution cut out or limited many of the largest stakeholders and was geared to those who use the site. I guess the hope is we can test how distribution works if it is spread across more users.
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!dramatoken
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Some great points : do you know what % the Top35 have of the total pie?
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I don't exactly..
Here is a visual courtesy of @arcange
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Top35 have 53% of SP that’s huge!
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Spot on, as always, with your criticisms and your solutions! I seriously am starting to think we, as a community, should just fork Steem before the #HF21 occurs, take the stake currently held by the top “stakeholders” and use it to onboard new users seamlessly, and assign new witnesses to any current witnesses that disapprove of #HF21 and/or witnesses of projects that would be crucial to the new platforms survival, such as @Partiko or @Steempeak! It’d be a lot of work, but I think as a community we could make it happen! It would be a chance to, not start over, but, begin starting again. :)
#MakeSteemGreatAgain #Spork2019
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I consider palnet a sporklet. It isn't the full on spork I was talking about but it does many of the same things.
Make sure you go to steem-engine.com and grab your tokens.
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Very true, and that might be a way of getting around any stupidity that arises from #HF21!
Also, I did claim them, or at least I clicked the button and Steem Keychain confirmed the transaction occurred. But nothing happened, I didn't get any tokens in my wallet. Is there something else I needed to do? :/
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I had to log out and log back in before I could see them.
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Ah, cool! I just checked and they now show up in my wallet! Thanks! :)
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Think if you could fork out all pre-1000th-account funds, STEEM-NG would be a much better place. But what you really need for a succesfull community fork is some way to truly compete with add revenue sharing platforms for onboarding top content creators.
Anyhow, if EIP happens as proposed and something like a community fork takes off, I'll chip in 10 hrs a week (without pay) for any C++,Python or infosec work that needs to be done.
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You'll be in the naughty corner with posts like this.....
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yeah, sigh, I know... thus the cute picture of my face before I say these things.
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We won't be seeing this post as featured post on steemit.com, that's for sure😜
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Without the people, projects die and become worthless. Many whales don’t understand that 😀
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They will just get a new community, with hookers and blow. :) That's the attitude of a couple.
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There's nothing wrong with entrepreneurial girls and the non regulated pharmacological industry!
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👀
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:D
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I like That and So TRUE @lucylin
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I have taken the approach that my vote can be used to add value to the ecosystem for those engaging. I have stopped upvoting myself to try to spread it even more. As distribution improves and alternatives continue to expand, I think those engaging will focus on adding value instead of extracting it.
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I think content creators is the right word, and the thing most influential accounts here seem to miss about the STEEM economy is that STEEM is competing with add revenue sharing platforms for top content providers, that it is losing (badly), and that by reducing author share and new-user rewards, STEEM is condemning itself to being a platform for mediocre content, something that will end up being reflected by the market cap.
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Amen.
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The 0. sbds I earn or? SMH!
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This is why I chose to quit bloghing and power down what few dollars I made and what few dollars I invested. The system does not reward the plankton. I make more in a month taking stupid 15 minute surveys on Qmee than I ever did for the hours of work here
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Hear hear on the SCOT tokens and Palnet.
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Don't you want to become a witness? I think that would be a good thing...
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If you sell your soul to get ahead it will cost more than you bargained for. When you earn your success and never take something for nothing, no one can lay claim to what’s rightfully yours.
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I really will never put in the time to be so well versed in the steem infrastructure. I will use it until ipfs stops being so partnered with it. Super excited for voice. Murmur is getting better. Piepie sucks. Brave browser is a+++. Honestly ill crawl aboard any vessel that lets me work out of my laptop. I understand why it is important to engage in internet politic democracy, but also what a drag. Appreciate the post. Barely comprehended it though.
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When creating an article, the author should be able the percentage which goes to curation. The steemit.com website should display the split information. Problem solved.
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by depending other people to support you is not that reliable. It will help you to earn if you invest, that's reality..
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No one is depending on anyone else. there has to be a value. Why would anyone come to play a game on Steem?
Because there are other people doing interesting things here.
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maybe but others didn't here for interesting things, they are here for 100% all about money
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Sure there are some, but that is what the holders are supposed to do, determine if a contribution is valuable or not.
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ah okay, you explained it well, haha anyway thanks
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I love this blockchain and I believe the future will be great despite the drama and endless debate.
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All stats say we are headed the other way, I tried the faith and hope routine for 3 years.
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Stay positive!
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I think with more Steem side seams, (not sure exactly what PALnet is), like PALnet here, it is giving people a chance to try steem blockchain in a different manner. I am very curious to see how PALnet is going to be working in a month, and to see how many of the content creators/users of steem blockchain fare over here.
One thing I already like, is that as a smaller account I actually have a vote slider, I can vote at 50% and it provides a 50% vote on steem pages and with my steem. I can expand my curation efforts right away. I know my vote right now carries nothing of value, but it is carrying a two coin vote Pal and Steem, so that works for me.
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Such drama, you've earned a DRAMA!
To view or trade
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