EVONY, Play For Free, Does Not Equal Pay To Win...

in busy •  5 years ago  (edited)

For a while I played a game called Evony. Let's face it I've always enjoyed hanging out with geeks and nerds. I enjoy and admire intelligence and strategy. That is who played Evony.

Evony, Free Forever.. was the games tagline at the time... and it was true you could play for free, but most didn't.

It's a pretty simple game a bit like DrugWars only more mature. The interface wasn't very graphically intense, but had enough to it if you had an imagination you could picture the battles taking place. Stage one of the game was to build resources and armies and join strong alliances for protection and shared resources. There were war units like archers and cavalry. There were march times from different places on the maps. Once the building phase of a server was complete it was pure warfare.

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However, you could speed up the building phase by buying things from the company that built the game. You could buy a daily package that reduced your building time and fed your troops free food you didn't need to farm that day and could spend time and resources building instead. Once a new server started the building phase went faster and faster and the race for owning map started.

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Of course those who bought Speed Ups and other advantages USUALLY ended up ahead. They called us "Coiners" and it was meant to be derogatory. The "coiners" will always win, they said. The non-coiners failed to understand the "Coiners" were paying for the game developers, the new servers and the limited customer support the company provided.

There were some who were so good at the game they figured out how to win anyway, but to be fair it wasn't often.

We also had several live chat options. At any given time you could be in World Chat or Alliance Chat also private chat. WorldChat was a huge and highly entertaining place for banter between alliances, calling others bad players or virtue signalling that you were a non-coiner.

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After a new server was launched on Evony there were specific phases, building, conquering the map, holding territory and once one alliance was too far ahead, the other groups would go join new servers. There was a rhythm to it and if you played for any length of time you knew who everyone was and who they played with.

The bots came and changed everything. So, if you could automate the building process and keep troops building at all time, while sending out farming troops you could win without coining.

Many didn't like this phase, but I thought it was fun. We declared our server a botting server so that those who didn't like the bots wouldn't waste their time playing and the game changed entirely. Now the game changed to whatever alliance had the best bots to automate building, farming and even attacks was the strongest alliance, and would ultimately own the server.

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The team I played with had a guy who figured out the power of every troop, the marching time, how many troops you needed of which type to conquer anything and the most effective farming techniques.
We dominated every server we went to and we no longer had to buy Speed ups to win. We never took over non-botting servers and we always were honest about the fact we botted, but honestly the game became boring. We all had 5 bots running on our computer all the time and there was no need to watch the game. David (the intelligent hacker) even programmed our defense if we were getting attacked. I would hear my bot notifying me... "You are getting attacked"... and I knew that David's bot could play my defense better than I could, even though only few months before I was considered a strong attacker and a strong defender.

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We downloaded Sharkwire and tried to figure out how to send data back and forth to the game servers... Our bots became so user friendly the some of the UIs were better than the games UI, because you needed 200 every day people in your alliance to be able to use the bots effectively to have the greatest alliance.

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So, they (the company) added some things to the game which broke our bots, started new servers that were botless and the cycle began again.

People are going to figure out how to game every economy whether it is in the US or Evony or on Steem. The key is to change it up and keep it fresh. There is no perfect math and there is no bot free online settings. You have to change things up to keep it interesting you need fresh players to keep it fun and you need to constantly change things up so that people have something to work on.

Steem isn't meant to be easy, you can play for free and do well, but you are unlikely to dominate. There will always be bots and alliances and gaming the system.

Change it up, bring new people on, market it, be honest about it... Content matters, but only a little.

Again I realize Steem isn't a simple internet game, but there are some elements that remain the same.

You can play for free, but it is slower and that isn't wrong. You can network, but it gets boring without new faces and things get stale if the rules don't change from time to time to stop you from getting too comfortable.

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Completely agree.

If I start around the same time as someone else on the platform and I like they're content why wouldn't I continue to support them as long as they don't post crap.

People will always chase the easy money. That's life. If it wasn't the get rich loose weight fast schemes would never take off or make money.

Long term investment takes time and as a person who refuses to play free 2 play games I appreciate the "coiners" who keep my fun free.

Yep. Some who have better than average talent will do fine, most will have to build an audience.

Nothing new and crypto doesn't change human behavior

oh ffs. so i know you from that damned game? it all becomes clear why i feel i've met you all before...

Haha I played several servers. My name was MissK or MrsK usually

twas so long ago i dont remember which name i used. i do remember flirting outrageously and making crude witty jokes about hard wood. face burns

Hahaha... I learned how to make many boob shaped text messages. So, at least we all picked up some skills! :)

that's hilarious

always wondered where i picked up those skills. im pretty sure i learned how to flirt on the internet..

  ·  5 years ago (edited)

Interesting read. I believe that what you wrote could be applied to many other games.Especially the bot part.

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Agreed. Glad you stopped by, I can't read most of your posts. :) lol

Coiners is a funny term. We called them pay2win or p2w in a game I was into. I was p2w to save time, get better and support development.
I feel the same way about people who refuse to buy Steem on 'principle'. Even stranger, it's a currency and not a contest.

Yeah, strange name, strange game...

Yeah, people are going to play the games here and there.

thanks for the Steem, you didn't have to do that :)

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Yeah, so this is all about steem, which you seemingly did not tag..

Do you know there's a whole universe outside steem?

I've heard rumors of life beyond Steem, are they true?

Yeah but who cares, did you hear about the smooth cool thing @smooth did, sending two awesome people to Bangkok (minus the footballs)?

@whatsup,
Is this a blockchain based game or a strategic game like Ikariam? I played Ikariam and was a big name there! but now left those things and focus here!
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Crap @whatsup!!

This post is pure solid gold. Wadda aloud allegory and metaphor!!

Now I can't help but ReSteem it. Hahahaha };)

Thats a cheap way out. Let him downvote. If people think its not deserved they will counter.
Bots arent the answer.
The more he downvotes the higher the chance for others to counter him. 50/50 means that the attack on the author is as much as an attack on the curator.

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It is an attack on the curators, but they have already voted and can't vote it again.

I restored the value at a cost for 2 reasons. 1. To restore the value to the curators and 2. So, haejin doesn't think he is beating me.

I will not lose to him. He's an idiot throwing a childish temper tantrum.

  1. You cant win this way because your liquid steem isnt indefinite and his downvotes are free.
  2. You need to find another way to fix this. This way youre just botting and thats futile.

Youll just lose all your liquid steem and be no better off for it.
He will just see this as a attempt to fight him which you cannot do, just encouraging him to continue and break you.
The longer this persists the more invested both sides will be in the feud and the harder will it be to make it stop.
Egos and all.

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He has already declared war on too many to sustain. His dv power is in the negative.

He can gray out others, I will choose to support my own content.

I don't care whether or not I have your full support. :)

I find your opinions interesting and worthy of consideration nearly every time.

I do agree with some of your views and not others.

I don't choose to substitute your judgement for my own, which really triggers people who think they know whatever one should do and how they should do it.

I hope you never stop sharing your views and opinions, but I reserve the right to disagree and to not obey you. :)

All i can do is share my opinion. Its always on the person to decide whats best for them.

A few months back i was targeted by @berniesanders. He greyed out a number of my posts and comments.
I talked to him, it did hurt my ego, how could it not?
When you think youre in the right and you think you havent nearly deserved the same treatment as some of the absolute dipshits that harrass him day in day out, taking the "L" doesnt feel good.
But we came to an agreement of sorts (if you can even call it that), id basically fuck off, and the flags stopped.

Reach out is all im saying or wait for help. Dolphins like us cant fight the tide. Its what steem is. Its what we signed up for.
Ignoring and waiting for help is superior to trying to prove that you can fight a major whale with bots when you cant. Not alone at least.
Thats why i pinged Bernie. Maybe he is willing to help.

Youll do what you want ofc.
I dont agree with you on many things. But unfair is unfair no matter what we agree on.

Nothing is fair. Everything is unfair to someone.

You don't get to make up rules and impose them on others.

You get to do exactly that if you have enough stake. And Haejin does have enough stake to do so.

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lol, and here we are at agreement again. :)

have you played tribal wars? :)

No, I haven't

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