Two or three times this week in various ways the conversation about Quality Content came up.
Just today someone asked me what I vote on and why, so here it is.
My voting level is determined by time, current voting power and what I want to reward.
From day three I've thought that Quality Content is not what we should push, and I still haven't changed my mind. Most have stopped pushing it, but it sometimes takes a bad idea some time to die.
If you are a great writer or love to write, please feel free to publish some Shakespeare like work and hopefully, people will see it and accept it for the greatness that it is.
Personally, I am not a great writer... I don't think social media has anything to do with being a good writer.
For some reason, I have never understood why some thought a good business model would be to find the absolute best work out there and vote it up.
Quality Content is as many say often... is Subjective, but additionally, there is no reason to believe that there is a Demand for it and a lack of Supply. If I want a quality article on the finer points of "Under Water Basket Weaving", I can google it.
Proof of Google:
While I do like a clean readable post and struggle with broken English... If I can understand what the author is saying and I find it interesting I will likely upvote it.
I came here and continue to come here to learn about crypto, to meet some people who are out of my normal circle and hopefully to earn a bit of Steem.
I do not ever look for or try to vote on the BEST DARN ARTICLE of the day. I vote for people who say interesting things. If they post often and decided a short post or something they wanted to share today was what they posted... I will likely upvote it.
Even though some say we shouldn't talk about Steem, I love to talk about Steem and I like to hear other people's thoughts and ideas on Steem, so I reject that advice as well. I vote for Steem Articles pretty often.
Just giving upvotes takes a certain amount of budgeting and consideration as we don't have an endless supply of votes and hence can only support a limited number of posts. In addition, I like to manually curate, because I think eyes on the site are important.
I like to upvote success posts. To the effect of.. "Hey I Powered Up"... Well because I think we should celebrate success.
I no longer go through NEW. It's too messy. So, I have to learn to know your name or see a really interesting title or picture before to see it before I can vote at all.
So, that is what I vote for, no I don't have a well thought out plan for voting, I just vote as I go around reading things on Steem.
I upvote people I met or want to meet IRL. Cool people. They can post awesome content or shit post. I still want to drink a beer with them, and my upvote might once become of a certain value that buys beers (and plane tickets).
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I want my vote to buy plane tickets please
Haha I still remember when Postpromoter's vote was worth like $1000 wtf
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The good ole days!
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Speaking my mind here girl. 100% actually...
In fact I like to upvote shitposts often too. Things that make me laugh...if more people weren’t afraid of spoiling their image...this place would have been way better imo
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The problem with that is, in my opinion and from what I have observed, who gets to post shit post or continually short worthless stuff like Whatsup does is determined by those who hold the most power. They are obviously somehow all linked together somehow or they've determined they just happen to like you. As a matter of fact, to be honest about it, that's why I don't pay much heed to stuff Whatsup post, though I started following he/she/whoever/whatever was because the post were light and airy but after seeing so many others get flagged for such stuff it's just really hard to watch how a selected few get away with it while others suffer for it.
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I don't think people get flagged for the style of posts that I make, at least not often.
People get flagged for things with one picture and no context. :)
My feelings are not hurt by your critical feedback. I don't want to be serious on social media and my goal since the beginning has been to help others feel comfortable just posting.
If you follow me you know, it certainly wasn't an easy sell. :)
Anyway cheers for your refreshing honesty.
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Thisssssssss
I even go through intentional shitposters and upvote the funniest. I love satire, self-deprecating humour and the crazy Steemians who just come here to have a great time.
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:D
Quality content is subjective. Quality does not have to equate with meeting a standard (of appearance, erudition, scholarship etc etc). Unless perhaps 'Quality' be defined objectively - however, this looks suspiciously like a process of defining something that may relate to an individual's, or a group's, subjective preferences.
Robert Pirsig went nuts trying to understand, dissect and explain 'Quality' in Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance lol.
Quality being subjective, I can only speak for my take on my stuff:
With regard to perceived quality in the posts of others on the blockchain, again, subjective and without formula. The wonderful thing about blockchain multimedia blogging is the range and variety of creative potential we have at our disposal - this may take any form, short or long.
To have earnings/growth etc at the forefront of my mind would dilute creativity - I am aware of these factors and I welcome them, but they do not drive my blockchain car. Since experiencing the above 'reversal' of priorities, I have been enjoying blockchain life a lot more :)
People state and say many many things about this and that, much of it expressed as dissatisfaction. I think that if I can accept my own shit (tokens and all lol), then I am closer to not being knocked off balance by anyone else's 'shit' (pretty or ugly). Conversely, if I have some level of dissatisfaction with my own stuff (life, blog, growth blah blah), I am likely to project this outwards and find some blockchain bones to pick apart for this mysterious substance called 'Quality'.
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OMG, make this a post! Pease! :) I love it.
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Done with pleasure :D
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"Personally, I am not a great writer."
Don't sell yourself short. You have a voice and you get the point across. That's like 80% of being a great writer lol.
I like to up vote things that took work but that isn't all I upvote and it shouldn't be. Ideally, I'd like to see both social posts and more formal works have the ability to earn here. The important thing, though, is not making people feel like they have to post in one way or the other because that will drive potental users away from a site that really needs them in order to thrive.
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I am a decent communicator, but if you get down to the "art" of writing that has never been an interest of mine.
I admire it though.
I totally agree that we have to allow people to just be themselves. We don't have to reward it, but we shouldn't shame or intimidate them.
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Truth. This place should be fun and shame isn't fun for anyone...unless the person is into that sort of thing lol.
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Lol, I don't know anyone who is into shame but I do know that they exist.
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I do love the art of writing! I like to do art sometimes but most of the time I just want to say things. So I say things. I would like to write more artistic texts, though, but effort requires time and I don't have time.
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Exactly this.
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I upvote a lot of shitposts just because I want to support the people who are fun. I also don't spend a long time on each post because I have a short attention span, so I tend to upvote poems, memes, jokes, pictures and articles that are really really easy to read (I upvoted a 4000-word article yesterday but it was very easy to read).
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The reason I follow you is that you can get such a great conversion started! I don't know whether you're a great writer or not, but you're a great starter of discussion and that's easily valuable.
I can't say I agree with everything you say (I don't even upvote everything you post), but I'm with you on a lot of things. I like to read and talk about Steem, but not all the time. So in the aftermath of HF20 I started to get a bit fed up of all the Steem posts, because there wasn't much else to read and I wanted some variety. I like quality content, if its information I'm looking for or interested in. Unfortunately, we don't have enough writers on Steem for me to find everything I might want, so searching on the site will likely not bring up specific things. Therefore, I have to agree that a Google search does the trick better. Maybe we'll start to get some articles from Steem appearing in those searches.
I agree that this is a social site, so it's fun to share in people's experiences and fun crap they post about. I enjoy the conversations they raise and I like to be entertained or given a laugh.
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Some of the most valuable and interesting conversations I have are with people who disagree. If I just wanted agreement, no reason to post.
I like to discuss things. I often write about things I am still sorting out and I like to hear other opinions.
:) Never hesitate to disagree! :)
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As long as it doesn't just turn into a slanging match, they are the best conversations. Variety is the spice of life, after all. You get to see new perspectives and quite often learn new things.
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I've always been this way things when social media was a new thing and even when I was a livejournal fanatic. Post and support things I am interested in. A few people outside my usual scope, and tons of new online friends...
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Most people do this, just vote within their circles I think that's OK, that's the point of social networks. Lots of discussion and the positive reinforcement keeps the community going.
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!dramatoken
that is just for your name.
:) I agree, just read and react to what you like and are interested in.
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Thank you for the drama!
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DRAMA!To view or trade
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LiveJournal, Xanga, Diary-X and a few others... yup, those were "the days." I think most people who were already into social content back then are more oriented to "content that interests me" than worry over whether or not something will earn an extra 1/2 cent.
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I rather have comments than votes all day. A post with 5 legit comments vs 5 sbd in upvotes. I go with those 5 comments.
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Agreed! Comments matter!
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As I'm poor I prefer money, but I'm also sad when I don't have comments. If I weren't poor I'd prefer comments too.
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There's pretty much NO market for "great writing." I learned that back in creative writing courses in college, in the early 1980's... for one class, we had a field trip to a bookstore where the "assignment" was to find high quality writing, and compare how much "high quality" ("Literature") writing we found, as a ratio of all books in the store. About 2%. And that was generous, because it was a college bookstore with educational texts.
I'm a proponent of adding value. Which is a pretty broad concept... a picture of a beach with no context adds ZERO value for me, a picture of the same beach with "This was my favorite beach during our 2013 trip to Greece" as the caption probably does.
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I like the way you say that. I've been saying engagement. But I think adds value is even better. :)
I agree with your example as well.
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I like "engagement," too... as long as engagement is also about the content being interesting enough that I want to engage with it.
My big no-no's are zero originality, zero effort posts. If the OP can't be bothered, why should I be bothered... the whole expectation of "something for nothing" bugs me.
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We really don't have the privilege to really distinguish any type of content as this is a decentralized medium meant to really engage and community seems fit to do so. There will always be consequences, but to stop and/or limit content creation is shooting ourselves in the foot to creating value and fostering community.
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Totally agree. Why intimidate users, especially when most of the time the complaints are about jealousy, unfairness or ego.
Crypto will not solve any of those issues.
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I don't think it's exactly wrong...but it's not the full picture. We should upvote content we want to see more of. We should support people making awesome drawings and stories and putting it out there. I'm not so sure about wiki-bullshit though. But, there's more than just that that we should support. We should support people that have stuck around and made friends and continue to share their thoughts and a bit of their life as well. It's not always about "quality content", but it is sometimes. Our obsession over quality content kinda shot us in the foot. We had people looking so hard for good posts at the same time as utter shit was being pushed up to trending and it drove a lot of us mad.
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Yeah, I tend to vote for people who have stuck around also.
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I agree with you about the quality content myth. Want me to spoil another myth for you?
You can vote as much as you want
Now, technically there are some really low VPs <5% where the numbers get quite wonky, but there is absolutely no missed value by having a low VP. Sure your maximum out put is down, but you can vote more times per day.
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Yeah, but I like budgeting it better. Sometimes I go low... but it take a long time to recover.
Usually if I have big plans I'll run it down a lot. Usually though, I hate it when I rekt my voting power.
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Heh, your voting regimen is even more strict than mine is... I just upvote things I like and/or support! I don't think you have to be a "Perfect Curator" with how you vote, unless you just really wanna be a curator. Sometimes I upvote strings of posts from an author, other times I might only upvote one thing, but never upvote something from them again, if that one post was something I like and enjoyed. Other times I might offer an upvote to a user who's content I support as a way to help them (and maybe get a small reward for myself as well by upvoting their content).
I agree with you, people take the idea of "Quality" on here way to seriously... The same issues affects sites like Medium and DeviantArt as well though, so it's not totally unique to Steem as a whole. I mean... if you want a good argument for why "Quality" isn't always the best route you can take in creating content, look at the meme community! Overall though, I think you should vote for content you wanna vote for and create content you like.
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Speaking of Memes we had a great Meme site for a while that I loved, but those who take themselves too seriously killed it. :(
I loved it.
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Which site was that? Memestagram? I thought Memestagram was still up and running? Or... are you talking about a different site?
But yeah... self-righteousness and memes mix like oil and water. A shame a good meme site got killed by it... Especially if it was here on Steem.
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Actually it is still operational, but a mess. It is dmania.com on Steem. At one time it had a nice delegation and was a lot of fun.
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Honestly, a "quality post" is the last thing I'd expect from a Steemian, Including myself.
Throw us out into the real blogging world and we won't last 2 days.
I'm just happy with the fact that we found this super cool faucet that requires us to improve our writing and social skills.
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I dislike most of the plastic sounding serious articles. I know you are a human just talk to me....
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I vote content I like. It might be 2 words or 2 pages. Its stuff I like.
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I find going through the new tab write a dispiriting affair and yes, it is messy, so I am the same in seeing what I vote for
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I only go through new in a few tags I like, but it's usually just spam and it's unreadable in most bigger tags.
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True and it's a shame as lots of us used to trawl through it but the spammieness is too much
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New is too messy to look at.
Just find some interesting things and give them an upvote.
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Yes indeed, that's the way to do it!
Oh no, I sound like Punch out of Punch and Judy!
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I feel like calling for quality content is the wrong strat for several reasons.
1- As you said, its highly subjective. If Justin Beiber releases his greatest song yet tomorrow, it still wouldn't be interesting to me.
2- We want mass adoption, most people aren't content creators, so if the masses start to pour in, they won't be bringing a bunch of "high quality content" with them.
I think a better thing to ask for is "genuine" content ie not spam. If you are a human, writing, vloging, streaming, singing, showing your boobies, whatever. If it's you doing you, it's great in my book.
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I love your description of it. That is great. Real people doing people things.
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I also don't go looking for the best content I can find to upvote. (Does anyone?) I upvote cool content created by some cool people I like to hang out with.
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I don't either. Although I appreciate good content, I'm more interested in reading short and fun stuff like jokes, memes and satire. I rarely find something that is both good and appealing to my eye.
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I don't know if anyone does. Now I am curious.
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Curators :D
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ooo Underwater basketweaving!! where do I sign up?? Honestly, I can barely read a 'quality content' post, much less create one.
Oftentimes, it is simply a matter of time. I work a full time job and try to build up my little homestead in my off time, so there isn't as much time to devote to reading and creating as I would like.
I know there are many many people deserving of my meager upvote, and if I happen upon them during my quick forays to the world of steemit I will pull the trigger, but mostly I just flip through my feed and let it be.
One day I will have more time to steem lol
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What's your job?
I only earn through Steem haha, so it's like a job, but I love it. Right now I'm making a bot to help me earn more on the blockchain.
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hahaaa retail cashier...at Walmart, no less! If that isn't fodder for shitposts I don't know what is lol. With the recent wave of automation I may be joining you in earning solely from the blockchain!
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I live in Venezuela so I can sustain myself with the blockchain. I earn less than $150 a month and about 80% is SP and I reinvest everything but around $30 a month or so depending on whether I need to go out.
I don't know if I could be a cashier and be satisfied. Anyway, I would still do it if I needed a job. Cashiers here earn around $5 per month. I've been thinking of leaving the country and taking any job that comes, and cashier is one of the strongest possibilities because I don't have a uni degree yet. I've been trying to get my degree, though, and I could get a student visa for a Masters or something, and then I could teach in a school or university! I hope I can get a scholarship, even if it only pays my stay and my food, because I really can't pay a foreign uni with my scrawny savings.
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Funny, when starting out on Steemit I wanted to do quality content and thought this is the best! Now, my mindset naturally changed to pretty much everything you said here!
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I still like both. I like writing both long and short articles. And I like reading interesting stuff and fun stuff. I want Steem to have all of it!
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Also True, just Express yourself and look for like minded people :)
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Alright this seems to be the theme for the day and Ill bite and write my own post. If I call everyone dumb for writing these posts maybe I can stir up some drama.
I think its good for larger older accounts to write posts like this everyonce in a while. Too many minnows get certain ideas of if I do this and place this many pictures and never self upvote and on and on theyll get upvotes when really its just a mixture of engagement and shear luck.
Nothing beats time spent comment and engaging with others and it will be hard pressed to change my mind.
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I always appreciate your votes, anyone's really, and your interaction that comes with it. I'm not sure all my posts are "quality" however I usually put some effort in. Usually. It's users like yourself who engage with me that keeps me actively posting so thank you.
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I post quality sometimes. It gets more interactions. Sometimes I just want to talk about my life, though, or say what's in my mind. I try to have a balance to both keep readers in and keep myself satisfied.
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Quality is subjective. What I see as good you may see as average or bad. It's all good though. We have the choice to post as we see fit. I like to think mine are all ok as I put some effort into them with the actual content, layout, spelling and punctuation but if you don't like the topic you may see it as poor quality.
It's all good though right? I mean we have the power to vote or not. I don't vote on steemmonsters for instance as it doesn't make sense to me; To others it means everything.
I have my favourites though and I'll generally vote their content and comment irrespective of whether I agree or even like it. It all depends. I'm also open to adding new favourites after reviewing their work.
If I follow someone who writes something interesting as their first blog then simply posts a photo of a tree at their local bus stop from then on...I'll unfollow. It's quite simple. We have the choice.
You chose to comment and I really appreciate the engagement. Thanks so much. I will check out your blog.
Have a go at owning the weekend huh? Have a good one.
Peace.
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Well, yes, quality is subjective, but it can be trained and there are general patterns. I can appreciate a quality work even if I disagree and think the author is a moron 😂😂
I posted a few debates a couple days ago but now I'm posting about the music I listen to and the bots I make. I try to keep some standards, though. No less than 600 words, no less than two posts a week.
I love antagonising, trolling and shitposting, though, it's just very subtle. Some posts I make are just "inside jokes" that only I understand, and I laugh as I post them and everyone takes them seriously. But I consider that it all has above average quality standards, even the dumbest posts I make. It's one of the perks of being good: even the bad stuff is better than the good stuff others make. 😉😊 And the good stuff makes me really happy. Sadly I can't make it everyday or I would die from frustration (I have a biological need to shitpost).
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One of my best posts was a shitpost about a lego block and how stepping on one is the most intense pain in the world. Absolute gold it was! I think it went for about 25 words with a Lego block image. Such insight is rare to find these days.
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That's because everyone can relate. I want to upvote it just hearing about it!
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Haha...It was galenkp gold. 🙄
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I agree with you. If someone posts something that is wonderfully written but is 10,000 words long, I am extremely unlikely to read it all. I prefer things that have a good pic or two and some wit mixed in there. I never respond TL;DR to posts, but there are a lot of times that I want to.
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