Chess problem 61 / Schachaufgabe 61

jaki01 (74) in chess • 7 years ago (edited)

English

Hi, chess fans! This time I created an artificial chess position for you again. Even if it didn't arise in a real chess game, it closely reminds on one of these typical attacking situations in which we feel that we could win if we just were able to find the correct variation ...
In order to avoid missing possible victories again and again at the crucial moments, let's practice a little bit: now it's on you to find the winning moves for white - have fun! :)

Deutsch

Hallo Schachfreunde! Diesmal habe ich wieder eine künstliche Schachstellung für euch kreiert. Obwohl sie nicht in einer realen Schachpartie entstand, erinnert sie doch sehr an eine der typischen Angriffssituationen, in denen wir fühlen, dass wir gewinnen könnten, wenn wir doch nur die richtige Variante finden würden ...
Damit es nicht immer wieder geschieht, in den entscheidenden Momenten mögliche Siege zu verpassen, lasst uns ein wenig üben: Nun ist es an euch, die Gewinnzüge für Weiß zu entdecken - viel Spaß! :)

FEN: 3q1r1k/5pp1/1nb1pN1p/3pP2Q/6RP/3np1P1/5R1K/8 w - - 0 1

White to move:

Weiß am Zug:

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ralk98 (52) · 7 years ago

Sooorry I was wrong!

I can't find a mate, but if whites play knight E8, after QxE8 Rf6
If black captures, Qxh6 #

So the best movement is G6 and after Qxh6, Kg6, R(f)xg6, Fxg6, Rxg6 and whites have to sacrife their Queen and lose the knight after Qxg6 playing with advantage.

I'm just getting started with chess, maybe I'm wrong, I tried my best :)

Also Rxg7 leads to a draw, after Qg4 the king moves to H8 and Qh5 endlessly or otherwise it's a checkmate.
But I don't think a draw is the solution hehe, just mentioning it in case it's correct :)

Tried my best!

jaki01 (74) · 7 years ago

Ne8 Qxe8
Rf6 g6
Qxh6+ Kg8

Can white win now?

iceblue (54) · 7 years ago (edited)

Yes, White can with 4. Rg5. The idea is to play 5.Rh5 next - if the rook is taken then the mate sequence is 6.Qg5+ Kh8/h7 7.Rh6 mate!
If Black plays 1...Bxe8 (idea: 2.Rg5 Nxe5! 3.Rh5? Ng4! check and the queen on h6 will be taken on next move) instead of 1...Qxe8 (idea: Qd8 keeps in touch with rook on f6 to enable the defence Nxe5 as shown) then 2.R5xg6 wins as the rook on f8 is unprotected now (no queen on e8!)
If this is the right solution 1.Ne8 is a wonderful move and very hard to be seen :-)

ralk98 (52) · 7 years ago

After Rg5, Nxf2 and nothing is threatened. Blacks can promote their pawn peacefully while drinking soda and there is no way to avoid it unless whites move one of the pieces threatening a checkmate, losing the game.

iceblue (54) · 7 years ago (edited)

Good objection :-) If I play 5. h5 then? Blacks position is pretty cramped and I don't see a defence against 6.hxg6 and mate soon. In that case White will drink soda :-)
By the way: One white rook is on f6, so there is no piece taking on f2. The whole line we discuss is:
1.Ne8 Qxe8
2.Rf6 g6
3.Qxh6+ Kg8
4.Rg5 now if
a) 4...Nf2 5.h5
b) 4...Nxe5 5.Rxe5 renewing the threat Rh5

jaki01 (74) · 7 years ago

h5! wins even faster!

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ralk98 (52) · 7 years ago (edited)

After Kg8,

1)Rxg6 + Fxg6
2)Rxg6 + Qxg6
3)Qxg6 + Kh8
4)QxD3

But I think the best solution (taking into account blacks are about to promote a pawn and can defend the position) is a draw like this:

1)Rxg7+ HxG7
2)Qg4+ Kh8
3)Qh5 (again threatening mate in one) + Kg7 (to avoid the mate) and so on...

Is it an unavoidable draw if black plays correctly?

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jaki01 (74) · 7 years ago

No! The aim is to win as white! :)

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ralk98 (52) · 7 years ago (edited)

@jaki01 I'm 99.9% sure this is a draw. Since no one has answered yet, I had plenty of time to study this game and even downloaded a chess program to my computer and it says this game is a draw, after that I asked a friend from Canada who is 1900 ELO (not a lot but still better than me) and he couldn't see a mate either. After that I asked GM Vallejo (it was a great honor for me that he answered,lol) and he said this.

In English it means "Hello, I don't know. It's easy to make a draw here..but if a computer doesn't find a solution...I don't think I can."

Sorry haha, I did everything I could, but at the end of the day it seems like the right solution is a draw unless black pieces make a mistake. I couldn't have figured this out by myself, but this puzzle blew me out of the water, very difficult...

Going to sleep now that I finally found the answer, thank you for making me think a lot to solve this puzzle :)

jaki01 (74) · 7 years ago

@jaki01 I'm 99.9% sure this is a draw.

Please check the solution above!
Greetings to GM Vallejo. :-)

theaustrianguy (72) · 7 years ago

Maybe it's a belated Aprils fool joke 🤪
Now that I know that far superior players also don't seem to find the solution I can stop thinking - or is use it as extra motivation? :D
Well, I will give it a few more minutes with my afternoon coffee!

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jaki01 (74) · 7 years ago

Just check the solution above. :)

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ralk98 (52) · 7 years ago

I meant Rxg7 already corrected it.

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theaustrianguy (72) · 7 years ago

Morgen :)

Habe mich jetzt beim Kaffee einige Zeit daran probiert, was besseres als diese Stellung wo ich ein Unentschieden erzwingen kann, geht sich aber nicht aus für mich :/

Nachdem der weiße Turm von g4 den schwarzen Bauern von g7 schlägt, schlägt der schwarze König den Turm - danach setzte ich mittels Dame von h5 auf g4 schach und es ergibt sich folgendes Bild:

Der König hat mit h8 ja eh nur eine Fluchtmöglichkeit. Etwas gefährlicheres als mit der Dame von g5 auf h4 zurückzuziehen, um mit der Bedrohung von h6 ein Matt anzudrohen, fällt mir aber nicht ein.

Schwarz sieht diese Bedrohung jedoch und geht mit dem König von h8 wieder auf g7 und wir sind wieder bei der Ausgangssituation. Mittels der Wiederholung dieses Spiels kann ich zwar das Unentschieden erzwingen, eine Siegoption finde ich jedoch keine.

Bin gespannt, wie du oder jemand anderes hier gewinnt :) Schönen Tag!

ralk98 (52) · 7 years ago

This is also the solution I keep getting, a draw....

Great chessboard by the way :) I used to have one like this when I wasa child and didn't even know how to play chess, and my best friend at that time put it under a car and guess what happened next.... Since that day he was not my friend anymore haha.
(Not true, I got mad for 1 week and talked to him again)

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theaustrianguy (72) · 7 years ago

Actually it's just a small and old one - But it was great for the beach with my dad - and it fits smoothly on my kitchen table (tried Jaki's quiz while enjoying breakfast) :D

Have a nice day - looking forward to who is smarter than us here and finds the solution :P

ralk98 (52) · 7 years ago

It sounds very relaxing! And I hope Magnus Carlsen doesn't have Steemit haha :)

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jaki01 (74) · 7 years ago

Freut mich, dass dich meine Schachaufgaben beschäftigen. :)

Wie du richtig erkannt hast, sichert 1. Txg7 Weiß ein Unentschieden. Das ist aber nicht das Ziel hier ... :)

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theaustrianguy (72) · 7 years ago (edited)

Ich weiß, dass es nicht das Ziel ist :D Ich weiß aber leider auch, dass ich die Lösung nicht zusammenbringe :(

Kannst du vielleicht einen kleinen Tipp rausgeben, bevor du auflöst? :)

EDIT: Hab jetzt noch mit Turm von g4 auf g6 als ersten Zug durchprobiert, sah vielversprechend aus - aber auch da gelingt mir nichts zwingendes danach.

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jaki01 (74) · 7 years ago

Bin in den nächsten Stunden ziemlich beschäftigt, werde aber dann (später) noch mal einen Tipp geben, falls niemand das Problem bis dahin gelöst haben sollte. :)

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theaustrianguy (72) · 7 years ago

Bin gespannt - nocht nicht gesehen bei deinen Posts, dass so lange keine Lösung kam :) - also hast du wohl gut gewählt!

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jaki01 (74) · 7 years ago

Es gab schon ab und zu ein paar ziemlich harte Nüsse, aber der Schwierigkeitsgrad wechselt (absichtlich) von Aufgabe zu Aufgabe ...

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stayoutoftherz (68) · 7 years ago (edited)

Sg8! Txg8 (Kxg8 2.Dxh6 g6 3.Txg6 fxg6 4. Dxg6+ Kh8 5. Dh6+ Kg8und 6. Tf6 nebst matt in 2)
Txf7 und Gewinn (der Einschlag auf g7 nebst Dxh6+ ist nicht zu verhindern, 2...Df8 3.Txf8 und Gewinn)

1...exf2 2. Sxh6

jaki01 (74) · 7 years ago

Sg8 Sxf2
Sxh6 Sxg4+
Sxg4+ Kg8
Sf6+ gxf6
Dg4+ Kh7
Dh5+ Kg7
Dg4+ Kh6 und Schwarz gewinnt.

afrog (70) · 7 years ago (edited)

g4xg7
h1xg7
h5 g4!
g7 h8
g4 e2
Black is in sorrow now…
when d3xf2
then Qe2
the white Queen will be always 2 steps before exitus of black king. Whatever black will do…
No more chance.

jaki01 (74) · 7 years ago

Txg7 Kxg7
Qg4+ Kh8
Qe2 Nxf2
Qxe3 Qxf6
exf6 Ng4+ and black wins.

theguruasia (67) · 7 years ago

@jaki01,
A good problem and I hope a genius will solve this and win the contest!

Cheers~

stardivine (57) · 7 years ago

Great and amazing game.
I love to play chess.
Its my favourite game.

Thanks @jaki01 for sharing this post.

Upvoted + resteemed your post.

rajaduttablogs (39) · 7 years ago (edited)

Haha this chess game reminds me of my childhood we used to have a Logo and QBasic Practical in our computer labs of our school and I used to choose the very last desk of the lab and I and my best friend we used to paint or play chess and when sir used to say what are you both doing then we used to pretend and say sir that we have completed 3 practicals of logo and we are now with the QBasic Practical work but we used to paint for half and hour and the other half an hour we used to play chess in our school computer though we both dint knew C of chess but still used to play randomly and the rest was no one used to win...

Best part I still don't know how to play chess so sorry @jaki01 no idea about the moves hahaha

jaki01 (74) · 7 years ago

You may check out the rules. :)

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rajaduttablogs (39) · 7 years ago (edited)

Thankyou @jaki01 its helpful guide ...Lets learn then ...Tough for me cause am a beginer..I surely update about my practice hahahaha lol 😂😂😂

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goldcoin (66) · 7 years ago

Thanks for your chess article. It is a good work
Thanks @jaki01
have a great day

spiritualpower (55) · 7 years ago (edited)

Good chess post , I would move elephant which is beside the king

jaki01 (74) · 7 years ago

Please use any correct chess notation ...

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pardeepkumar (56) · 7 years ago

Am not good in chess , but I thinking if white turn then elephant move is good becoz black horse can out him to the game .

jaki01 (74) · 7 years ago

Later today I will present you the solution.

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henryrider (52) · 7 years ago

it's very hard to play..

digitalis (68) · 7 years ago

Hi, used to play chess in high school :)
I was late and already saw the posted solution.
It's a force mate, whatever black moves it will be mated. eventhou black has more pieces.

denysatika (51) · 7 years ago

Nice post 👍

anikearn (65) · 7 years ago

It is very good game and i play this game with my friend but i can not play good this game and result i loss loss loss or loss.But I belive slow and stady win the race and i said that,this possition win chance 50/50

fad.saleh17 (52) · 7 years ago

Postings that made our brains think hard to find solutions to problems of chess, sorry I couldn't find his solution @jaki01

jaki01 (74) · 7 years ago

Just check the solution above ... :)

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longberry (61) · 7 years ago

games are tough, I like us face to face at the chess table.

jaki01 (74) · 7 years ago

Just create a lichess account ... :)

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longberry (61) · 7 years ago

Thank you very much. I have not played chess either with people or with computers. thanks information, I am excited again.

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american-pie (53) · 7 years ago

Nice.... Thanks for sharing

cinaa (44) · 7 years ago

Harus memiliki pikiran jernih baru bisa menyelesaikan ini

resteemia (56) · 7 years ago

impressive idea & excellent question. @jaki01

@resteemia
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longberry (61) · 7 years ago

hahaha, its very funny

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shuvo39 (43) · 7 years ago

Change of win for 50% You can win the chess game with a little head. This game can win white and black from this position

jaki01 (74) · 7 years ago

No, in this position white wins.

Later today I will present you the solution.

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marzensteem (43) · 7 years ago

Game yang menyenangkan @jaki01 saya senang 😊😊😊

omze (48) · 7 years ago

the best game, I think a lot of likes with this game ...

martin897 (43) · 7 years ago

It takes a lot of sense to play chess.It is prudent to play.Everyone can not play this game.However, the status of the black better......Black team more likely to win...I love this game since childhood......upvote done.......... @jaki01

jaki01 (74) · 7 years ago

Actually white can win here.

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shuvo39 (43) · 7 years ago

Change of win for 50% You can win the chess game with a little head. This game can win white and black from this position

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jaki01 (74) · 7 years ago

I gave you this self-composed position to solve, from which I know that and how white can win. This is a chess riddle, and if you think that either side wins, you should prove your claim with specific variations!

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martin897 (43) · 7 years ago

I will bring to this position Black is win @jaki01

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jaki01 (74) · 7 years ago

Lol, want to bet with me? Why do you think I gave you this riddle and stated that white wins?

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jaki01 (74) · 7 years ago

Please, check the solution above.

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nahid05 (53) · 7 years ago

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jaki01 (74) · 7 years ago

Why do you solely upvote yourself (@nahid05, @nirob05) but not the articles of other steeminans?

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altafwani (49) · 7 years ago

chess was always out of my mind

arcange (73) · 7 years ago

Congratulations @jaki01!
Your post was mentioned in the Steemit Hit Parade in the following category:

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aishatigerlady (54) · 7 years ago

Chess game is a brain sharpening game is great for training brain intelligence @jaki01

Unfortunately I do not understand playing chess.

jaki01 (74) · 7 years ago

Maybe just start with reading the rules? :)

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munawar87 (57) · 7 years ago

Frankly, I thought about this all day. But still unable to answer. Because I do not know how to play chess. hehe

munawar87 (57) · 7 years ago

I am only able to share to others. so they come to answer.

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jaki01 (74) · 7 years ago

Just check the solution above ... :)

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munawar87 (57) · 7 years ago

oohh thank you Sir

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armiden (52) · 7 years ago

Very complicated game is chess, I really like chess game but not good at managing strategy against enemy, in strategy game you share I do not know how to beat Black

jaki01 (74) · 7 years ago

Just check the solution above ... :)

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kickup008 (46) · 7 years ago

it's a popular game. i like chess. thanks for @jaki01

afrog (70) · 7 years ago

d8 hatte ich falsch stehen. Dxf6 ist klar!
Txg7 Kxg7
Nh4 e3xf2
Dxg6! Kf8
Nf6! Dxf6
e5xf6 anyway
black is checkmate next step

jaki01 (74) · 7 years ago

Sorry, da blicke ich gerade nicht durch: 2. Nh4 geht doch gar nicht ... oder bist du jetzt mitten in einer Variante?

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afrog (70) · 7 years ago (edited)

Alles falsch notiert . Ich glaube ich habe es jetzt. Da kann Schwarz nur zugucken.
Txg7 Kxg7
Ng4 Schach droht bei h6, keine Ahnung Rg8 wäre jetzt födlich! Schwarz kommt nicht in gute Position. Egal was jetzt gezogen wird – also vielleicht e3xRf2
Dxh6! Kf8
Nf6! Dxf6
e5xf6 Df1
Dg7!X

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jaki01 (74) · 7 years ago

Rxg7 Kxg7
Ng4 Nxf2
Qxh6+ Kg8
Nf6+ Qxf6
exf6 Ng4+! und Schwarz gewinnt die Dame zurück! :)

afrog (70) · 7 years ago

Danke für die Lektion, @jaki01.

tomhall (80) · 7 years ago

Sehr gut Zusammenstellung, schwierig zu spielen👍

avagado (53) · 7 years ago

Excellent Article of Chess Game . This Is Great Post.
@jaki01
Upvote Resteem

saikr (50) · 7 years ago

haha great sir finally we had a solution for this,i am a happy now.

sarah.taylor (50) · 7 years ago

Probably the best game,sorry i could not provide any solutions for this.

voteman (53) · 7 years ago

Wow amazing playing for chess . thanks for article useful.

For your post propagation.
Upvote/Resteem

mywhale (53) · 7 years ago

Hello @jaki01,

Extraordinary good chess problem & looking for the answer.

muhammadkamal (49) · 7 years ago

Here are more of your fans than the chess fans in the comments.
keep it up

votman (51) · 7 years ago

Let's see who will win this contest~

aaeesha (46) · 7 years ago

hoho great timing sir hope you are enjoying this game a lot.

faisal79 (53) · 7 years ago

really nice to know about it........../////////

jaki01 (74) · 7 years ago

I really suggest you to write comments which have something to do with the topic of the article ...

steemwija (58) · 7 years ago

@jaki01 - Sir I think you have to solve this round chess problem... Good competition Sir...

+W+

jaki01 (74) · 7 years ago

Check the solution above. :)

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fackrurrazi (66) · 7 years ago

an interesting chess game, this game can sharpen the brain, I think the right langkat it, can die in 3 steps again.

jaki01 (74) · 7 years ago

No, it lasts some more moves until white finally checkmates.

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hanif09 (42) · 7 years ago

If one playing good he can win the game. All team situation are good

jaki01 (74) · 7 years ago

No, it is white who can win.

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shavishtha (52) · 7 years ago

Wonderful article for chess game.
Thanks for sharing
Upvote Resteem

minoservice (52) · 7 years ago

Great game! thanks for sharing.
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melianasagita (49) · 7 years ago

Really tough game all are placed accurately well i cant even mive any of them,looks really tough.btw i am not a master of chess.

travellingwomen (51) · 7 years ago

To much diffiult for me i can not understand this

jeaniepearl (65) · 7 years ago

I admire chess game although i dont know how to play
Seems like mystery to me

stmit (55) · 7 years ago

iam chess play is not idea and Excellent post.
thanks for sharing
100% like and resteem

mdmunna (46) · 7 years ago

wow....its great......i impressed to see your post......///////

bontive (46) · 7 years ago

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asif4745 (52) · 7 years ago

wow this is really amazing
great one......//////

jaki01 (74) · 7 years ago

Found the solution?

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tetas08 (47) · 7 years ago

wow chess i loved it.... May you love also btw i'm the most top winner in my city :)

jaki01 (74) · 7 years ago

Then solve the riddle ...

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christian.danny (48) · 7 years ago

Amazing steps sir you are really enjoying your time out there,frankly i dont know how to play chess sir.

evan.geber (45) · 7 years ago

I tried to solve it. but every white chess step he would die and was already under siege. many ways I have thought and still will die hehe

jaki01 (74) · 7 years ago

Later today I will present you the solution.

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blazing (70) · 7 years ago

chess lovers time to make some moves ;)

salmanwains (68) · 7 years ago

Seems like really tough. I am not a big player of chess, Just know about little moves. I don't think White can win from this position.

jaki01 (74) · 7 years ago

Lol, why do you think I gave you this riddle and stated that white can win?
Maybe you just cannot see how ...
If nobody can solve the quiz I will present you the solution later today.

senoini (34) · 7 years ago

Interesting but is quite complicated

abdulmanan (67) · 7 years ago

I'm the king :p

jaki01 (74) · 7 years ago

Your solution?

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foortirafi (39) · 7 years ago

your chess article. It is a good work.
Thanks for sharing

musliwadi (46) · 7 years ago

although black is going to win, but here's chess a lot of unexpected things can happen, because this depends on us taking the strategy. success for @ jaki01 always.

jaki01 (74) · 7 years ago

White can win ...
Later today I will present you the solution.

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musliwadi (46) · 7 years ago

okay, I wait for your strategy @jaki01

jaki01 (74) · 7 years ago

Check the solution above! :)

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musliwadi (46) · 7 years ago

Oke,

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ssatria743 (55) · 7 years ago

I have never seen chess like it may not exist in my area maybe you are very clever in playing chess like that @jaiki01

rezack (47) · 7 years ago

jaki01 (74) · 7 years ago

Rxg7 Kxg7
Qxh6+ Kxh6 and black wins.

rezack (47) · 7 years ago

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jaki01 (74) · 7 years ago

Please use any correct chess notation ...

rezack (47) · 7 years ago

😁 yessir,,,

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sushovon002 (52) · 7 years ago (edited)

really confusing man...😰 how can i tell the wining move opponent can try to have different move.🤔

ralk98 (52) · 7 years ago

Some moves are better than others. You can't guess what your opponent is going to play, but you can play the best movements and force your opponent to play at your convenience. It's difficult certainly, that's why professional players spend a lot of time practicing :)

sushovon002 (52) · 7 years ago

Liked you thoughts man... appreciate you...☺

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khaidiral (45) · 7 years ago

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bangyeuk (39) · 7 years ago

I'm still very surprised with this game. From the first I tried and learned but never able to understand it, even I was defeated my young brother who's still grade 3 Elementary School can already win the district level chess. Yes, in the end I'm tired of myself seeing it: ') lol

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zufrizal (54) · 7 years ago

a good chess game, I studied with friends when we were junior high school, there was a basic impression of it, I taught my friends to play and until now I always get defeat. here I sharpen the brain to think and get good play tactics. friends play relaxed and think hard get a good place to play a champion. happy thinking and success all...

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jaki01 (74) · 7 years ago

In case you like it, don't worry: I will not forbid you to upvote the article. :)

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stayoutoftherz (68) · 7 years ago

Tg6 fxg6 (falls nicht kommt 2.Txh6 3.gxh6 Dxh6 matt)
Dxg6 Txf6 (sonst Dh7++)
exf6 Df8
weiter weiss ich nicht :(

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theaustrianguy (72) · 7 years ago

Jo das mit dem Turm auf g6 sah vielversprechend aus, wurde aber auch bei mir nichts draus :(

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stayoutoftherz (68) · 7 years ago

Wußte gar nicht, dass Du auch schachspielst - mach doch mal mit beim samstäglichen Steemit-Blitzturnier von @schamangerbert!

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jaki01 (74) · 7 years ago

Ja, nach 3. ... Df8 gewinnt Schwarz.

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fadliestem (45) · 7 years ago

thanks for the solution to his chess play @jaki01

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jaki01 (74) · 7 years ago

Thanks for the upvote ... ops, I just see you didn't ... :)

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obaidb2 (57) · 7 years ago

I know why younhave posted it in here because you are youself stuch ..hehe....situation is too much complicated..😁

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jaki01 (74) · 7 years ago

Lol, you think I invented a chess riddle which I cannot solve myself?

Later today I will present you the solution.

obaidb2 (57) · 7 years ago

Really this seems hell lot a complicated situation...my eyez on you brother..

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jaki01 (74) · 7 years ago

Check the solution above. :)

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jareen61 (54) · 7 years ago

Ok I am trying ..... But who is it I don't understood.

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sushovon002 (52) · 7 years ago

silly question😂 if you know chess game you have to know it is king.😁

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nirob05 (45) · 7 years ago

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jaki01 (74) · 7 years ago (edited)

Then, why didn't you upvote the article?
It seems you are the second account of @nahid05 who is solely upvoting himself ...

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