Ten Amusing Questions Creationists Mistakenly Believe Science Has No Answers For

in christianity •  8 years ago  (edited)

Some time ago, Matt Stopera asked 22 creationists who attended the Bill Nye/Ken Ham debate what question they think "evolutionists" can't answer. "Evolutionism" being of course a term only creationists use these days, to imply that evolution is an "ism" or ideology, on even footing with creationism.

Below I've selected the ten funniest questions. The rest are either mundane appeals to consequences like "Do you think evolution is a good behavioral influence on children" or have rather complicated philosophical answers that aren't fun to read. These are just the ones that personally made me laugh.


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Note the "their". This is recurring in other images, basic mastery of English, their own first language, still eludes these apparent adults. Anyway of course a sunset is just a stage in the rotation of Earth relative to the sun where the sun is very low on Earth's horizon.

But what she's getting at is, "why is nature beautiful?" The answer is that much of it isn't. The parts humans typically see are, being that we have the benefit of technology and civilization, and as such are no longer routinely ripped apart and eaten by large predators. Why do we find certain parts of nature beautiful?

That has to do with defining beauty in a mathematical way, and the ongoing investigation of why certain color combinations, textures, proportions and ratios appeal to the human brain. That's not really my wheelhouse, but there are neurologists who do nothing but study questions like these.

Probably the answer is something to do with the genes which make us find the opposite sex appealing, which make us find our children cute so that we'll take care of them, and which attract us to colors associated with nutritious fruits. At any rate the alternative, that this guy made everything and desired it be beautiful, is not a testable hypothesis. It's a just-so fable, contradicted by everything we have so far learned about nature.


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More creationist word games. To people like these, if you can make something sound like it supports your argument, then it does. When you tell these people that in fact the word theory has very different meanings in colloquial usage versus scientific usage, you will typically be met with intense suspicion, as if you just made that up.

Even after they Google it and discover that it's true and always has been, probably they won't budge on the matter, just because of how they feel. Creationists tend to assume that in science, claims start out as theories, then become laws when proven. In fact, this is not the case.

Rather, they start out as observations. Then a hypothesis is formed in an attempt to explain what was observed. The hypothesis only becomes a theory after it has been confirmed by experiment, and then independently reviewed and replicated.

What is a "law", then? It is not a proposed explanation for anything, but rather something which is observed to behave a certain way with perfect reliability/consistency, so far as we can tell. The word theory, in scientific context, means what creationists mistakenly believe "law" means.


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See above. They really get a lot of mileage out of the whole "evolution is just a theory* line. They're coached on what slogans to use by guys like Ken Ham and Kent Hovind, then they need to be patiently, carefully corrected one by one. It's a losing proposition, isn't it? A lie gets around the world seven times before the truth can get its pants on.


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This one is really sort of charmingly naive. I would be patient and kind to this person. Indeed, if you look at the world without knowing anything about the natural processes which formed it and all living things upon it, your strong first impression would be that it was created by something unfathomably smart.

That's for the same reason that somebody who has never seen a snowflake before and doesn't understand how water crystallizes when freezing might understandably assume that something as geometrically intricate, unique and symmetrical as a snowflake could not have formed by itself, and must instead be the work of an unseen artist.

This article of mine goes into more depth about how it is that scientists can tell, by the close examination of natural formations (living things included) that they originated by natural processes over long timescales rather than deliberate engineering.


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Ahahaha! Haha...ha. I'm sorry, shame on me. Holy moly, though. Part of the challenge of unfucking these peoples' brains is that somebody already got to them before you did, and intentionally fed them misinformation about what evolution, abiogenesis and the big bang even are.

For example when I attended a Christian middle school, we were taught that "evolutionist scientists believe all life came from rocks". This was of course done to make evolution seem absurd and impossible, so that we would reject it. They feel justified in lying to children like that because they believe the end result is that we will wind up in Heaven rather than Hell.

Anyways of course the big bang was not an exploding star. He's confused it with supernovas. Rather it was the expansion of spacetime from an infinitessimally small point, when the only form of matter in existence was superheated hydrogen. What followed was cooling, then the gravitational accumulation of hydrogen into stars (as we still observe today occurring in nebulas) then the explosion of some of those stars when they were sufficiently old, which released every element on the periodic table other than hydrogen.

Those elements were gravitationally captured in orbit around other stars, and by the same principle of gravitational accretion that formed the stars, planets accumulated from that debris. Since stars didn't even exist until well after the big bang, it should be apparent why this dude's question is a non-starter. His head has been deliberately filled with nonsense, and that his question has nothing to do with anything scientists have ever said about the big bang.


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Again, repeating commonplace creationist apologetics. Probably Lucy is the only hominid fossil she knows about, because it's the one many creationist authors have focused on. Note the extra c in 'necessary'. Anyways contrary to her sign, in fact a shitload of hominid fossils have been discovered and you can go see them with your own eyes in natural history museums.

The basis for claiming that these don't count as "real" hominid remains is that creationists arbitrarily divide them into the ones visibly closer to monkeys and say "those were never human ancestors, just monkeys" and those visibly closer to humans, saying "these were always human."

They use a similar strategy to reject fossils like the archaeopteryx, which is very plainly a feathered dinosaur demonstrating common ancestry between dinosaurs and birds. They say "It's just a weird looking bird". This ties into their notion of "kinds", which is much less rigorously defined than the scientific concept of species. A "kind" is just what type of animal something looks like to a creationist.


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More focus on Lucy. Probably this guy and the person above read the same apologetics handbook. There's only one Lucy because that's what they named that specific individual fossil, and because it was the oldest taxonomically human remains ever found up to that point.

There's only one tallest building in the world. Why? Is that some big mystery? There's only one fastest car, only one oldest living person and so on. What's being done with Lucy, by creationists, is to focus on the fact that it's a one of a kind fossil (in the sole respect that it was the oldest known hominid remains at the time) and try to twist that into "it's a hoax of some sort because if it were real, there would be more".


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Look at this dumb fucker. Look at his smug grin, as if he's asked a real head-scratcher. Why are there still monkeys? Gee, I don't know. If dogs came from wolves, why are there still wolves? If Americans are descended from the British, why are the British still around? This is not a hard principle to figure out.

Creationists stumble over this issue because again, they were deliberately given a wrong idea of what evolution is so they would reject it. Consequently they typically imagine evolution means every monkey in the world, everywhere, should constantly be evolving towards becoming human.

Evolution does not have a pre-determined "goal" like that. Monkeys are not inevitably going to become more humanlike. Their evolutionary path has continued independently of our own, such that they do indeed differ in many ways from the common ancestor we share.


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There's that smug, Dunning-Kruger smile again. The second law of thermodynamics is misunderstood by Christians to mean that everything deteriorates, all the time, everywhere, with no exceptions. That's their layman's notion of entropy.


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...Aaaaand another one, asking the same dumb question.

What the second law actually states is that within a closed system, the amount of available energy cannot increase. You can't get more energy from nowhere basically. So indeed the entire universe is slowly running down as stars burn out, the built up thermal differential equalizing over the eons.

However, this does not prevent localized "islands" of complexity from forming. The Earth for example, which is not itself a closed system but instead receives a constant supply of energy from the sun. This influx of outside energy is what has powered the formation and evolution of life on Earth, and explains how on Earth complexity is able to increase rather than decrease, even though the universe on average is progressing in the other direction.

Anyway that's all for this article. If you're curious you can go check out the rest of the questions here.

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  ·  8 years ago (edited)

Space and time can be so fucking complex... I love it how you keep it real and talk about religion without giving a single fuck what others might think. I really enjoy this kind of talk. And making it funny is even better :D "Look at this dumb fucker". I literally spit my fucking coffee on my keyboard when I read that line...

I know, right! Ha ha!

Creationists seem to believe that evolution works like it does in Pokemon.

Also, we didn't even descend from monkeys. We descended from a common ancestor of monkeys and humans...

Very well said, lol :D

Lol I like how you went from calling that woman 'charmingly naive' to kick off on the 'dumb fucker' with his monkey question :D You know I have always questioned so many 'wonders' that occured in the bible and whenever I get the chance to have a polite discussion with a creationist, they simply never have any decent answer that doesnt come back to "you just have to believe its real, just have faith in it". Whenever the F-bomb (F for faith) is dropped I usually back off out of pity.

Excellent article. Many thanks. I have had the dubious pleasure of multiple conversations with several creationists who worked for me (engineers believe it or not). I was amazed at some of the shite they would come out with such as apparently carbon dating is a con as you can wash off the carbon date with water!! These people just seem to be beyond rational thought!
I thoroughly loved the article and look forward to the next!

Google "the Salem hypothesis".

Wow. I have never heard of that before. I have worked with a large number of engineers over the years and it was only 2 that have been creationists. This really shocked me at the time. It looking back, I suppose you get nutters in all walks of life!

The Salem hypothesis helps explain why I suppose!

I am devoted to my beliefs as a Christian, but these people make me cringe. Their smug arrogance is very depressing for me as someone who shares the most fundamental part of their core ideology - belief in the One, True God and His Son. Beyond that, they have driven themselves into willful ignorance and pride. For being people that espouse the faith so vehemently, they should be a lot more humble in their assertion of it as undeniable fact. I don't browbeat my dad for his atheism, and, in turn, he doesn't browbeat me for my faith.

Moreover, science and faith are complementary. I really wish more people would devote more mental effort to exploring the absolute beauty that is found in our understanding of the universe. God gave us a brain, so to speak, and the ability to reason critically. It's high past time these folks used it.

Moreover, science and faith are complementary.

I do not agree, for reasons laid out here and here.

I consider us friends, so I hope you will not perceive any of this as an attack or attempt to demean you. Of course you are on a very different level than the people in this article, please do not imagine I would confuse you for them.

However, I would urge you to read the following articles as your free time and energy permit. If nothing else it is a healthy practice to challenge your faith from time to time, and if I am right that Christianity is untrue, certainly that is worth knowing about?

https://steemit.com/scams/@alexbeyman/don-t-get-tricked-bro-how-to-recognize-a-cult
https://steemit.com/religion/@alexbeyman/diagram-of-a-memetic-virus
https://steemit.com/religion/@alexbeyman/jesus-predicted-a-first-century-return-that-did-not-occur

Let me start with the premise that I find your position admirable to a degree and appreciate the honesty and acknowledgement of reason. I'm replying because I'm interested in a reasonable conversation as I don't understand how would you come to your conclusions and beliefs while still being reasonable.

Moreover, science and faith are complementary.

I would disagree with it too and all of the creationism is one of the bad consequences of putting them at equal footing. Science claims no absolute truth and the conclusions we have come to so far using the scientific method are well-substantiated and reasonable to believe until disproved. Faith assumes facts without demonstrable evidence which is not a real path to finding truth with any level of certainly. It allows you to have unsubstantiated assumptions which prevent you from exploring the actual reality and the evidence available on that and other matters.

God gave us a brain, so to speak, and the ability to reason critically.

Would you mind sharing if you've used your ability to reason critically to substantiate your faith? You seem much more reasonable than the people in the pictures, but I don't think you have that much less reason to question your faith than they do. Of course, that's only a guess as I can't pretend to know your reasoning or thoughts and that's why I'm asking.

My substantiation of my faith is based entirely on multiple first-hand experiences. I understand these experiences are not falsifiable, but that's not really the point of faith. Anyone who supplants reason with faith is using faith in a way that it cannot be used.

Science is limited in its ability to explain. In describing function and form, science is superb. The scientific method - observation, hypothesis, experimentation, and refinement - is excellent with regards to uncovering the way in which natural phenomena function. However, it is limited in being able to answer the question that underlies all the other questions it can provide an answer to: why do these natural laws and phenomena adhere to the rules science has discovered and not others?

Science will be able to describe with great clarity and detail the laws that govern the way the universe functions, but it can never answer the question as to why the universe is governed by these particular laws. It is incapable of answer metaphysical questions. This isn't a deficiency. Science simply isn't intended to do that.

So you're left with one of two choices, the latter of which can be subdivided based on what particular faith you adhere to. Either there is no underlying reason and it's random chance, or something outside of our observable universe set things in motion in a particular way. I believe the latter because of personal experiences I've had. From this perspective, my faith in God establishing the universe and creating it from a singularity is no less reasonable than that singularity simply existing and giving birth to the universe we can observe.

Where does that leave the Bible? It's a book of historical accounts, interspersed with metaphysical details and prophesy. I wouldn't argue that it isn't "divinely inspired," but to take it at face value as absolute truth verbatim is nonsense. As to the Son of God, as I said before, my understanding of who that is and what that means to me comes from personal, subjective experiences, some of which align with some parts of the New Testament. However, given that I've described God as the Great Engineer, believing in Him in no way forces me to suspend my mental faculties in order to sustain that belief.

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Great post and what material is God made of?

That's a good question. If a supreme being exists, it would need to be made out of something, wouldn't it? Something which isn't made out of anything has no presence or attributes and is functionally identical to nothing.

I asked this question myself when I attended that Christian school. I received a strange look in return. "God is just God" they told me. "He isn't made out of anything. That's a pointless question." Of course I wasn't satisfied by this and continued asking questions and thinking.

Even tho i don't really understand all of the above , i will upvote your work .It is a well writen article , i know you put allot of work in it . Will follow for more interesting facts .

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Oh poor dudes. They are just confused by sick people who were telling them lies their whole childhood. And now people hate them, because they went a different path. But yea, they are silly.

Look at this dumb fucker

So harsh. Snif-snif.

Like I said before, I believe in god and everything, but cmon. These people are just absolutely cringe filled. This shit reminds me of Mrs. Garrison from that one episode of South Park when they were introducing evolution in the curriculum.

HAha you're the man ! Honestly . It's like you don't indirectly talk about it but show it. So what's god made of them ? @alexbeyman

Who knows? Interesting question to ponder though.

The anthropic principle can explain away a lot of the remaining creationist arguments that you didn't cover.

For sure, I just wanted to cover the entertaining ones.

I am christian, but come on these people are stupid.

Indeed, and it would be unfair to judge a whole group by a few individuals. By the way, I have a riddle you might enjoy:

Supposing there was a group of people traveling about your area, led by a charismatic speaker who claims that the world is ending soon. He promises he alone can save you, but only if you sell your belongings, devote the rest of your life to him, cut off family members who try to stop you, and leave your home/job if necessary to follow him. He wants to change your name, and says that if you don't love him more than your family, you are not worthy of him.

What sort of group is that?

a cult?

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I would rather avoid watching or hearing people saying those things in real life. One can't help but live by cultural myths. There's value in those myths but I learned science. Since then I became a rabid dog that attacks what I can prove false. The same tends to happen with bad economic ideas by people who like science, like the UBI. I can't help it.

What's wrong with UBI, in a future where most or all labor is performed by robots? UBI would then just be a token/rationing system entitling people to have the robots make them a certain amount of stuff they want per month.

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The computation for UBI is based on an index of automation. It's something similar to what happens with oil dividends in oil rich countries, with similar problems to this countries economies. In the beginning, you would probably have a lot of development in the population. I think the experiment of Hawaii is gonna be successful in the middle term and many other places will implement it.

To make a long story short, as technology and rationality increase the incentives for irrational behavior also increase geometrically, leading to the expansion of the prisoner's dilemma into a Keynesian beauty contest.

This is secondary to a denial or forgetfulness of 3 problems with technology as seen from mathematical game theory.

  1. Technological bubbles (expectations surpass the real capabilities of actual technology, exhausting the market)
  2. Technology loss and crash (Technology is resource intensive and can be lost, many people don't realize this happens even today. Elon Musk has a talk about it)
  3. Centralization mobility (the companies and governments can shut down access to technology if necessary, e.g.natural disasters make service to an area too resource intensive)

There are alternatives or complements to UBI, like self-sufficient automation or economic gamification. UBI on its own it's extremely naive mathematically speaking.

If by 'on its own' you mean in the absence of mature and widespread automation, I would agree.

No, even with fully spread automation is naive. If you have half the population without the cognitive skills to even interact with the technology the same problem arises. The real problem is how you keep people useful in a world that no longer needs them. The answer according to game theory is technological handicaps. Anatole Rapoport's approach to automation.

Why do people need to be "useful"?

They don't need to, but if they are not they disappear. Just like when an embryo is aborted because of a disease.

.... :/

That is a view I can't get onboard with. I like people, warts and all. I don't think we should be building a civilization that views humans purely in terms of utility. The point of it should be to support human life and happiness.

Dude, you totally made my day! Dunning-Kruger smirk snort LOL

pretty funny post thanks a lot for sharing and keep on posting ;)

Most of these objections are specifically rejected by qualified creationists.
I'm sure you'd agree it's best practice to engage your opponents' strongest arguments, like this one or this one.

"Qualified creationists"? Are there "qualified flat Earthers" I should be debating the shape of the Earth with?

But anyway, here's the answer to that first link, and the second one contains a large number of false claims, as well as the assumption of substance dualism without first solving the problem of interaction. For example:

The grand theory of evolution would gain some empirical support if it could be demonstrated, in a real experiment, that information could arise from matter left to itself without the addition of intelligence

Here is a video of that exact thing taking place.

Information is not a property of matter!

Point me to any example of information that is not reducible to the configuration and behaviors of particles. Any idea in your brain is reducible to brain activity for example. A song on a record is reducible to the grooves in the record itself.

The grand theory of atheistic evolution must attribute the origin of all information ultimately to the interaction of matter and energy, without reference to an intelligent or conscious source. A central claim of atheistic evolution must therefore be that the macro-evolutionary processes that generate biological information are fundamentally different from all other known information-generating processes. However, the natural laws described here apply equally in animate and inanimate systems and demonstrate this claim to be both false and absurd.

The video in the first part of this post shows useful information being added by evolution to the genome of bacteria, namely antibiotic resistance, in response to increasing levels of antibiotic they encounter as they spread through the petri dish.

This experiment is relatively recent, it is possible the paper you've linked me was written before it took place or that the author wasn't aware the experiment had been done. At any rate it falsifies their conclusion.

Ha ha!

STEM doctorates mostly.

In biology? Or an unrelated field. Anyways, I edited my initial response with the information you're after.

So the continents are being constantly eroded away and replaced by volcanic activity, but also there's a neatly stacked fossil record documenting hundreds of millions of years, only a few metres under our feet?
As to antibiotic resistance the site has a search bar for those looking to acquaint themselves with the arguments actually used by creationists.
Top left, can't miss it.

So the continents are being constantly eroded away and replaced by volcanic activity, but also there's a neatly stacked fossil record documenting hundreds of millions of years, only a few metres under our feet?

The link I sent has to do with a related creationist argument concerning the erosion of mountains, specifically. The first few meters, at least in most populated regions, is topsoil and compacted dirt. You don't start find fossils that shallow except in regions where erosion by wind or water has exposed previously laid down geological strata.

the site has a search bar for those looking to acquaint themselves with the arguments actually used by creationists.

That link doesn't go anywhere. Btw, the people in the photos I posted are actual creationists. The arguments they are presenting originated from creationists. The fact that there are creationists who are less dumb than the average who recognize those particular arguments are invalid doesn't make them vanish, or mean that they are false flags or something. Creationists originated those arguments, creationists use those arguments.

Anyway, I think I can save us both some time.

Supposing there was a group of people traveling about your area, led by a charismatic speaker who claims that the world is ending soon. He promises he alone can save you, but only if you sell your belongings, devote the rest of your life to him, and cut off family members who try to stop you.

He also wants to change your name, advises you to leave your home/job if necessary to follow him, and says that if you don’t love him more than your own family, you’re not worthy of him. What sort of group is that?

Worked for me. I may have copied/pasted poorly as I'm on my phone.
http://creation.com/does-the-acquisition-of-antibiotic-and-pesticide-resistance-provide-evidence-for-evolution
I've fixed the original, thanks for that.

"A literature review found that most examples of the acquisition of resistance are not due to mutations, but in nearly all cases are a result of complex, built-in genetic and molecular biological defence systems."

I am going to bet "literature review" means "review by creationists". That was not in fact the conclusion of the biologists who performed the study, nor any non-creationist scientists who reviewed their work.

The extant literature indicates that those few examples that are due to mutations are in all cases so far due to loss mutations and do not result in a gain of genetic information.

This is false. Whoever wrote this is a liar. Which should come as no surprise given that when creationist arguments were actually dissected in court, during Kitzmiller vs. Dover, it was found that indeed they deliberately lied about many things (for example about the existence of less complete versions of the bacterial flagellum, and the prior wording of the textbook Pandas and People).

If creationist websites are your only source of information about evolution (so far you've only referenced creationist websites) and you deeply trust that they're being honest, it would go a long way towards explaining the difference between our views on this matter.

If the point of your post is that there are dumb creationists, saying dumb things, then I agree entirely.
If you want to use that observation to imply that creationism itself is flawed, then you're straw-manning.
As to erosion, I'm not sure you're grasping the scale of the discrepancy. At current, measured rates of erosion, every landmass on earth would have eroded completely, into the ocean at least 50 times over (given standard time frames for the age of the earth).
You can't shuffle the deck 50 times, then claim that the order of the cards is somehow representative of how they came out of the pack.

If the point of your post is that there are dumb creationists, saying dumb things, then I agree entirely.

Further, that there is no form of creationism that is credible. It's ultimately still based on the same errors in reasoning.

If you want to use that observation to imply that creationism itself is flawed, then you're straw-manning.

I understand why you feel that way but I don't agree.

As to erosion, I'm not sure you're grasping the scale of the discrepancy. At current, measured rates of erosion, every landmass on earth would have eroded completely, into the ocean at least 50 times over (given standard time frames for the age of the earth).

If there were no ongoing natural processes counteracting it maybe. This looks to have more complete answers to your questions about erosion, and is specifically about continents rather than just mountains.

You can't shuffle the deck 50 times, then claim that the order of the cards is somehow representative of how they came out of the pack.

...What?

I noticed you ignored my question from earlier. Or maybe you didn't see it? Here it is again:

Supposing there was a group of people traveling about your area, led by a charismatic speaker who claims that the world is ending soon. He promises he alone can save you, but only if you sell your belongings, devote the rest of your life to him, and cut off family members who try to stop you.

He also wants to change your name, advises you to leave your home/job if necessary to follow him, and says that if you don’t love him more than your own family, you’re not worthy of him. What sort of group is that?

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I believe if you keep your faith, you keep your trust, you keep the right attitude, if you're grateful, you'll see God open up new doors.

What if those doors opening up for you are due to other people in positions to offer you opportunities, reacting well to your good attitude?

Some very amusing questions some question are just meant to be complicated

Greatest post ever. Thank you, and I love this issue.

What if creationists and evolutionists are both wrong?
What if both creation and evolution are true at the same time?
I have seen data defending the idea of evolution in animals, all right, BUT I have also seen data defending the fact that humans were created by some other creatures (please NOT GODS).
So if we follow the facts, not the beliefs, and they drive us to realize we humans were really created, not by gods, but by something/someone real, who also dies from age or anything else, wouldnt be it far more interesting?

Then it would have to be demonstrated by experiment. So far that's not happened. The experiments done to date have supported only evolution. Is compromise a reliable way to arrive at factual truth? Or is it something many people feel inclined towards, as peace makers?

Your story is indeed interesting. But just as compromise is not how we get at real truth, neither is story telling.

Well, for starters evolution does not explain how is that we have lost 2 chromosomes in comparison with any other primate. Actually is not that we lost 2 chromosomes, there is the fact that chromosome 1 and 2 , 3 and 4 are fused together and hence the total count is 2 less. But how is it possible to fuse 2 chromosomes together, there is nothing like that in Nature. There are mammals with more than a hundred chromosomes, like a species of rat with 102, or all species of bears with 74 (as far as i know), but no animal in Nature have any number of chromosomes fused together.

So, excluding the ´magical´ influence of a monotheistic god, how is it possible to be THAT different from the rest of the animals on the planet I ask myself?

Then, to make the discussion between evolutionism and creationism even more futile, there are very important scientists who does not support evolution or creationism (from a god) at all:

"Forward thinking scientists like Sir Francis Crick, co-discoverer of the DNA double-helix, explain the anomalies of missing links with an idea called "panspermia." Some life forms, if not all life forms, were brought to Earth from another world...either by accident or by intelligent design" (quote from Gragham Handcook at http://grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?5,860155,860155 )

Now, THAT would explain it all. Is there any evidence to show us panspermia is real? no that I know, but that doesn't make it as impossible as an all powerful god who selected this planet to be the center of the Universe, and made us in his image (OMG may be it was aliens after all)

Well, for starters evolution does not explain how is that we have lost 2 chromosomes in comparison with any other primate.

Yes it does. Here is a Christian professor explaining it.

Actually is not that we lost 2 chromosomes, there is the fact that chromosome 1 and 2 , 3 and 4 are fused together and hence the total count is 2 less.

Then why did you say evolution doesn't explain it? You just said the explanation.

But how is it possible to fuse 2 chromosomes together, there is nothing like that in Nature.

...What? Yes there is. Humans are nature. Ergo, we are an example of chromosomal fusion happening in nature. But besides humans, it has also occurred in horses as well as fruit flies, cows and sheep.

but no animal in Nature have any number of chromosomes fused together.

False. See the examples above. What you should have said instead is "I am not personally aware of any animals besides humans with fused chromosomes". They exist, you just didn't know.

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Sincerely, thank you so much for the very illustrative video by Kenneth Miller, and watched it all and I consider myself wiser now, thanks to you.
However, even though most of my examples in my latest post were not accurate enough to demonstrate my point, with the video that you so kindly presented, I have convinced myself that even though evolution works on its own, intelligent design is very very possible (out of the hand of humans I mean).
For example, even though evolution is true, and it works its way through time, there is also the fact that humans ´touch´ DNA of certain plants to improve harvest and to increase resistance to weather, etc.. So if both situations are true, it means that both evolution and intelligent design can happen in the same planet, in different points in time.
Now, are we so self centered not to realize that is quite possible that intelligent design was applied BEFORE?
And if you think I am talking about a god, I am not, since we are no gods, but still we create modifications on actual living creatures and plants, and hence if there is life in the rest of the Universe, why someone else couldn't be doing exactly the same as we have been doing lately (for decades only).

So panspermia ...... before believing panspermia is possible, we have to believe a bunch of other things, and that is the problem:

  1. that there is alien life
  2. that aliens move through the Universe
  3. that aliens came to Earth
  4. that aliens seeded Earth with genes

There are also many other points parallel to these four which are even more disturbing like is it possible that not so long ago other creatures modified genes (which were already here) and created us?

All these issues are too profound, game changer, to easily accept the possibility that both ID and evolution had already happened before now.

I can see @Alexbeyman that not even you addressed the issue, just corrected me ;)

In any case I thank you again, its easy to be dragged by arguments presented by people who have everything figured out, and that video solved many doubts that I had.

If we'd been genetically engineered, we'd be able to tell that from examining our own genome.

Uhhhhhh, huge assumption that you made there apparently. Anyway here is you opportunity to answer. How could we possibly tell from looking at our genome that it has been engineered?

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Well @alexbeyman actually the Universe is expanding and getting more energy from dark energy sources, our laws of thermodynamics are flawed.

I see these folks, look in their eyes. Golems.
However, I think I can understand the design by evolution science. Its like a random number generator, chaos. Only that the system has feed forward and feedback, so its not an infinite runaway equation, that would be meaningless without beauty. This is how evolution happens.

As for religion it is the way a primitive superstitious race like us, feedback the feedforward of information we received, by yes the non terrestrials (Angels or Gods to the religious crackpots) information on the advanced science of the Universe.

Mind you science today is also a religion, it's called the Dogma of Scientism, that won't accept the implications of the Quantum domain and consciousness.

My very short, maybe crackpot, summary marrying both views, I hope you understand it
https://steemit.com/life/@lordp/multicultural-familyhood-of-earth

...Deepak Chopra? Is that you?

😂My point is, I too left the brainwashing of Religion, but I found that the rabbit hole is very deep bro. don't get stuck in paradigm lock at just the naive realism, rationalist materialist. The Universe ain't rational at all! 95% of the known universe is dark matter, so we only can work with 5%. We know jack shit.

An example of establishment endorsed genius, Einstein, in Paradigm lock.

Albert Einstein: God does not play dice.
Neils Bohr: Stop telling God what to do with his dice.

A life long argument between two friends concerning the deterministic vs probabilistic nature of Quantum mechanics. Consider me your friend.

An expert is a person who has made all the mistakes that can be made in a very narrow field.-Neils Bohr

Low hanging fruit. You need to check out what actual scientist-christians say about it...
Here is one of my favorite legally blind guys. Father Robert Spitzer.
Freakishly intelligent. Big Bang believer.

It's all low hanging fruit. Are some pyramid schemes more legit than others? Are some 419 emails more credible than the rest? "Oh of course the Nigerian prince isn't real" they might say. "But have you heard of the deposed Belgian lord who will cut us in on the profits from his diamond mine if we pool our money to buy the deed?"

Btw Kenneth Miller is a Christian professor who does great lectures about why evolution is true. You should check him out.

i will, thanks.