Discussion about Good and Evil, Man, God and devil's role. Whatsapp groups chat.

This was a group discussion I had with my coursemates about good, evil andthe various roles that God, man and devil play. If you understand read to the end, your comments will be deeply appreciated. So here goes:

[05/04, 17:14] Fearless97: Guys, I'll like us to discuss or deliberate on something.

Who is to blame for the bad things happening in the would? I mean the epidemics, natural disasters, evil things, children dying, and many other bad things? Is it God, man or the devil?
[05/04, 17:24] Fayinka Seun: It depends sha
[05/04, 17:24] Fearless97: Okay. Please go on
[05/04, 17:25] Ramos: Sm disasters r just natural it cant be avoided..
[05/04, 17:25] Fearless97: Ok
[05/04, 17:26] Ramos: E. G, earthquakes, tsunami's volcanic eruptions..
[05/04, 17:26] Fearless97: Ok
[05/04, 17:26] Ramos: Sm bad things r man made..
[05/04, 17:27] Ramos: There more diplomatic ways to resolve issues dan use of violence..
[05/04, 17:28] Fearless97: So what's the role of God, man and devil in all these
[05/04, 17:29] Ramos: The disease outbreak , sm be looking plagues in the bible..
[05/04, 17:28] Fearless97: So what's the role of God, man and devil in all these
[05/04, 17:31] Fearless97: Ok
[05/04, 17:31] Fearless97: Lol
[05/04, 17:31] Ramos: I think devil is the one dat causes confusions btwn nations nd makes dem resort to violence..
[05/04, 17:32] Ramos: Buh truly, d devil cmes in human form.. 😁
[05/04, 17:33] Fearless97: Hmn
[05/04, 17:34] Fearless97: What I'm about to say is entirely my opinion.
[05/04, 17:34] Ramos: With the way america trusts trump with their nuclear codes ehn nd everything ehn, i just dy always fear smtimes..🌚.
[05/04, 17:35] Fearless97: I believe God is good and has never done anything bad. E. G he has never killed, a God that kills and them asks we his people not to kill will be an hypocrite
[05/04, 17:36] Fearless97: That said, I believe man is responsible for everything that has ever happened to man on this earth
[05/04, 17:36] Ramos: Okay, drop it..
[05/04, 17:38] Fearless97: Yes devil wants bad for man but all he does is suggest, he can't make man do anything he doesn't want to do. For instance, God can't tempt Bill Gates to steal, that's not reasonable. Devil doesn't ask you to do what you don't want to do initially
[05/04, 17:41] Semilogo: well there is ample biblical evidence to show that God does kill
[05/04, 17:41] Semilogo: the question is wether he harms indiscriminately
[05/04, 17:42] Semilogo: as for the devil, he can't do anything unless God has let him do it. Job is an example
[05/04, 17:43] Semilogo: same applies to humans
[05/04, 17:44] Fearless97: I don't believe God interferes in human's affairs unless invited. Some laws have been set that obeying them brings their consequences. That's why a man will keep suffering unless he asks for God's help. And that's also why unbelievers can be very rich
[05/04, 17:46] Fearless97: I currently don't have evidence to say otherwise but I don't accept this. I'm aware of some issues like that in the Bible but you should understand that there were some issues with translation
[05/04, 17:47] Fearless97: I believe God doesn't place any limit on the destiny a man is meant accomplish. In fact I don't believe God has set a certain and particular path for every man to follow that anything against such path is not in accordance with his will.
[05/04, 18:03] Fearless97: The point I'm trying to make is this many people believe there destiny is in the hand of God and what will be will be. But there is nothing farther from the truth. What will be will not be unless you make it be. And bad things will keep happening unless we do enough good, at least by speaking against evil. Man is a god on this earth, more powerful than the devil through God's help. Also, God is Good, I strongly believe this so I don't blame him for any bad thing that I see happening, I blame man. I hope I didn't confuse us too much
[05/04, 18:04] Fearless97: Sorry this has been on my mind, I just had to share it. Again it's entirely my opinion, subject obviously to criticism and lots of other things
[05/04, 18:05] Fearless97: Okay
[05/04, 18:05] Semilogo: at all
[05/04, 18:05] Semilogo: I just disagree with somethings
[05/04, 18:06] Semilogo: Firstly, God has a plan for each person. What he wants the person to become and how he wants the person to become such
[05/04, 18:05] Fearless97: Okay
[05/04, 18:07] Fearless97: Yes sure, but the call wasn't specified
[05/04, 18:07] Semilogo: remember he told Jeremiah that he had already called him before he was born
[05/04, 18:07] Semilogo: "I know the plan I have for you ". .I have forgotten the chapter. But it was in Jeremiah sha
[05/04, 18:08] Fearless97: It's even in Romans, to those he called he justified. In essence, he has called us all to become like him, that's the purpose, called out of darkness into marvellous light
[05/04, 18:09] Semilogo: [KJV] Jeremiah 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
[05/04, 18:09] Semilogo: its was specific. he was to be a prophet
[05/04, 18:08] Fearless97: It's even in Romans, to those he called he justified. In essence, he has called us all to become like him, that's the purpose, called out of darkness into marvellous light
[05/04, 18:09] Fearless97: A specific thing you mean?
[05/04, 18:10] Semilogo: salvation is the end as a christain
but while u are on this earth, there is something that God wants you to be
[05/04, 18:11] Fearless97: Hmm okay
[05/04, 18:11] Semilogo: exactly
a specific purpose
[05/04, 18:13] Semilogo: yh..look at the life of Moses
his whole purpose was to lead the children of isreal out of Egypt
[05/04, 18:15] Semilogo: or Samson..see what was said to his mother when she was pregnant
[KJV] Judges 13:5 For, lo, thou shalt conceive, and bear a son; and no razor shall come on his head: for the child shall be a Nazarite unto God from the womb: and he shall begin to deliver Israel out of the hand of the Philistines.
[05/04, 18:14] Fearless97: This is not for everyone you know, this specific call. Look at Nehemiah. He wasn't called, he was just unhappy about the situation of his country
[05/04, 18:17] Semilogo: call, purpose are still the same thing here
We are all created/called for a specific purpose
that's why we have different talents that suit us to a particular area in life
[05/04, 18:17] Semilogo: God explicitly tells an individual his purpose atimes..e.g Samson, Paul
[05/04, 18:19] Semilogo: atimes he doesn't. The individual discovers it himself. E.g David.
[05/04, 18:20] Fearless97: I completely get your point. But Maybe I didn't make myself clear.
[05/04, 18:20] Semilogo: what I am saying is that we are not aimless creatures on this earth.There is a plan. And God has a way that plan should be achieved. and his way is the best.
[05/04, 18:20] Fearless97: Or maybe there's something wrong with my opinion
[05/04, 18:21] Semilogo: because he is the perfect decision maker. He knows the future and knows the consequence of any action we take.
[05/04, 18:21] Fearless97: Maybe there's a general call and then a specific one.
[05/04, 18:22] Fearless97: But I don't believe God puts a limit on the destiny a man is meant to accomplish
[05/04, 18:23] Semilogo: yh
evangelism then salvation is the general call
[05/04, 18:23] Fearless97: Like that this man will not exceed this particular point. I believe God has already put everything in a man to achieve whatever he wants, no limits
[05/04, 18:24] Semilogo: I believe there is a limit. And the limit is set for different reasons.
[05/04, 18:26] Fearless97: Hmnnn okay
[05/04, 18:26] Fearless97: I'll ponder on this and review my opinion on this
[05/04, 18:28] Semilogo: like David know..he wanted to build a temple to crown his achievements. God told him no.
[05/04, 18:29] Fearless97: Please explain this
[05/04, 18:29] Fayinka Seun: Judas Iscariot na example too
[05/04, 18:30] Semilogo: Paul also... God set a limit to his ministry
[05/04, 18:30] Ramos: Betrayal na in destiny.. 😂😂
[05/04, 18:30] Fayinka Seun: Jesus already knew he was going to betray him
[05/04, 18:31] Semilogo: he wanted to expand. There was a time he wanted to go to Asia minor I think but God prevented him. I am not sure of the location
[05/04, 18:31] Fearless97: Okay
[05/04, 18:32] Ramos: Asin.. 😆😆.. Aw can ur destiny be betrayal...
[05/04, 18:32] Semilogo: and the limit can be set for different reasons. For our safety, to prevent sin, we may not be able to do it effectively.
[05/04, 18:32] Semilogo: Elijah too. He was still very active and all of a sudden God decided to carry him
[05/04, 18:33] Semilogo: as I said, what makes God the perfect planner is the he know the future for each action we take
[05/04, 18:34] Semilogo: so he know the actions that will enable us live the best possible life.
[05/04, 18:35] Fayinka Seun: I'm interested in this too
[05/04, 18:35] Fearless97: I agree, he's out of time so he knows the end from the beginning . But it's just... Some things I've observed
[05/04, 18:38] Fearless97: Yeah
[05/04, 18:39] Semilogo: there was a person. Uzziah I think that went to touch the ark of covenant to stop it from falling. God struck him dead
[05/04, 18:39] Semilogo: like?
[05/04, 18:40] Fayinka Seun: Oh ok
[05/04, 18:42] Fearless97: I can't even start saying now, maybe another day.
[05/04, 18:43] Fayinka Seun: Ananias and hin wife too
[05/04, 18:46] Fearless97: As short as this story is it's very significant as it as many basic truths portrayed on one single story. Like the fact that trying to help God is not our place, the fact that regardless of how good your aim is as long as its against God set rules it's a no no
[05/04, 18:49] Fearless97: Lol true
[05/04, 18:50] Semilogo: simple. But this matter no simple like that. U know there was a time that David entered the temple and ate the consecrated bread.
[05/04, 18:50] Semilogo: firstly he wasn't a levite so na wasn't meant to enter that place
[05/04, 18:50] Fearless97: I think I agree
[05/04, 18:50] Semilogo: seconly that bread was consecrated d levites alone and David ate it
[05/04, 18:50] Semilogo: and nothing happened to him
[05/04, 18:50] Fayinka Seun: Some people carry special grace
[05/04, 18:51] Fayinka Seun: Simple
[05/04, 18:52] Semilogo: lol..God matter na complex issue.
From here, we went into other discussions. Please do tell me what you thinking in the comment section. Thanks, I love you.