RE: Climate Change and intrusive Government go hand in hand!

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Climate Change and intrusive Government go hand in hand!

in climate •  8 years ago  (edited)

You are right, it is forever changing, but the change since industrialization and the burning of long buried fossil fuel sources is absolutely unprecedented for this planet. We are the first life forms to exploit this energy. You're a fool if you think that digging up billion year old carbon deposits and burning them to satisfy the modern energy demands of 7 billion humans is the same as a butterfly flapping its wings. We are greater than a natural force. We have transcended nature. We can split the atom.

We can compare the composition of our atmosphere against air trapped in ancient permafrost that is hundreds of thousands of years old, and it shows that since the industrial revolution the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere has more than doubled. There has not been this much CO2 in the atmosphere in around 15 million years, and we've accomplished that in about 200 years. That makes sense, since we're digging carbon out of the ground and burning it (you'd have to be a moron not to draw the connection).

Additionally, our sun is in a cooling cycle right now, yet the earth is warming. Climatologists are not ignorant to the fact that the earth's systems are dynamic, nor are they ignorant to the fact that the sun is dynamic, yet there is an overwhelming consensus that anthropocentric climate change is real and happening. The evidence is obvious to anyone with an open mind who investigates, so I expect that you're just ignorant about the research.

If CO2 is heat-trapping, and we've increased atmospheric composition from 180PPM to 420PPM since we began burning it, what do you think will happen? You don't even have to think, you just have to look at oceanic and atmospheric temperature measurements. We've been smashing records for about 20 years straight now.

If you want a balanced (not as extreme as the tree-huggers, not as dismissive as the right-wing) analysis of the actual science, I recommend watching this video series from a former correspondent for New Scientist. He is very good at breaking the peer reviewed research down. He takes the piss out of both sides of the argument. It's real, but it's not Hollywood Catastrophe real. Still, it's something we must deal with. If you don't have the time and don't wish to view it, then you've demonstrated you have no interest in the truth. So please stop posting this bullshit.

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Thanks for fielding this one @misfortunecookie, I'm trying to get to bed...

The truth hurts, doesn't it? It's infinitely easier to invent bullshit than it is to dig up all the sources and data necessary to debunk lies. No wonder the internet is such a shithole. Oi.

Science based on government funding is suspect. I would be happy to take a look at any real science not based on a predetermined outcome in order to secure more government grants.

Take a look at this essay by Michael Crichton the religion of global warming: https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~kw/crichton.html

Michael Crichton was a doctor, not a climatologist, and he outraged 100% of the scientists he interviewed by cherry picking and mischaracterizing their research and interviews in his horrible book "State of Fear", which I only got 50 pages into because its prose alone were unreadable. This essay is based on the same shameless cherry picking. Go Google what the people he interviewed had to say about how he twisted their words. The man was fucking senile when he wrote that book. Mind-blowing that anyone would consider him an authority on science. Hilarious.

If Michael Crichton is who you turn to for truth, then please staple your mouth shut and have your fingers surgically grafted together. Humanity will be better off without your "intellectual" input. Government science and grants put man on the moon and is the only current avenue for innovation. The private sector does not innovate at all. Thanks for your "supporting evidence" that comes in the form of a shitty novel that's twice as long as it has to be and is full of lies according to everyone he interviewed for it.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/11/tech-innovation-silicon-valley-juicero

You work for a government? University?

No. Just a reasonable person who likes to read about facts. If you think novelists or Doctors are scientists, you need a wake up call. My doctor might be a nice guy, but he believes the great flood happened, literally. I already read (or at least tried to) the Crichton garbage many years ago. Why don't you watch that video series and get back to me? Upvoting your own comments is pretty tacky by the way.

Environmental NGO? If you were really worried about climate change and CO2 you would be a strong supporter of nuclear. Or are you one that believes there are too many humans on earth?

I do support nuclear. Watch the videos to get a balanced view or stay quiet on the topic, because you're just misinformed. If you don't believe 'university or government sponsored studies', then how about you believe the studies that the oil industry themselves conducted, that they kept secret from the public for 30 years just like the smoking industry? Their studies showed that the burning of fossil fuels would inevitably lead to global warming too. Same with the insurance industry - that's why climate change factors are built into many insurance costs now. So there's some private industry funded research for you to stroke off to.

A 97% consensus amongst climate scientists, and one nut who resigned 7 years ago is the best you have to offer? Do you know how many former military whack-jobs talk about seeing alien autopsies and crap? This is weak a hell. Watch the video series and learn the SCIENCE, it's pretty basic! Anecdotes about professors saying this or that pales in comparison to simple physics. Carbon dioxide and and methane are HEAT TRAPPING - that is an undeniable FACT of simple physics. What happens when the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere DOUBLES in 150 years? The atmosphere and the ocean warm, just like was predicted 100 years ago, and like it's been doing according to all monitoring stations and measuring equipment for many decades. WHAT A SHOCK. Take off the tinfoil hat, step away from the vape pen, and learn something today. Christ. This professor mentions "climate gate" which was totally misrepresented in the media. The video series covers that too!

I bet you couldn't explain to me even the simplest thing about what happens with energy from the sun as it enters our atmosphere, what "light" even is, long-wave vs short-wave radiation, etc. Grab a brain and grab a book.

Why don't you put down your Michael Crichton schlock and watch a balanced educational video series that breaks down peer-reviewed science? Why don't you care that the oil and gas industry's own studies anticipated global warming due to the burning of fossil fuels, and they hid them from the public. Doesn't that tell you anything?

Are you the kind of person who would have waited for the 7,500 individual studies linking smoking to cancer to be published before the paid-off surgeon general finally, reluctantly, had to announce to the public that smoking is bad for you before you thought about quitting? Maybe you're still a smoker because that must have been a conspiracy, my grandma smoked and lived to 110! Woo! "Mine are menthol anyway. The cigarette companies told me these ones are good for my health."