Rant - I am pissed off
Therefore this post declines payout as it probably adds no value to the community but I am bit concerned why someone is writing since two days about being flagged by one other Steemian (ok, someone with a bit power!)
Actually I only wanted to refer to the posts by @schattenjaeger and @acidyo who both explain quite well what Steemit and the option of agreeing or disagreeing with certain things is all about!
Check out their thoughts (sorry - no time or willingness to format this into a well looking posts) which match mainly my feelings on a useless discussion:
https://steemit.com/flags/@acidyo/my-thoughts-on-flags-for-disagreement-on-rewards
I do not like the fact someone is posting since days about that topic as she is an experienced writer providing great content here and is now blaming a flagging Steemian, this flagger is not my friend at all - but he was never attacking the person just stating not be ok with the rewards on certain posts. This is why we have this system on Steemit!
While the person being flagged still having a lot rewards on the flagged posts - much more the normal user is ever achieving - THAT IS BULLSHIT. So this user is defining what quality is, what adds value!?
I even like the content of this person but I hate the way this person is dealing with it here on the community trying to shitpost and bringing people against certain whales! Full Stop - that is not good and will probably result in even more flags. I am sure the person has learned a lot during the years and is one of the best writers, I also see no problem the person is re-using every single chapter of certain books here, why not. If people like it and want to up vote - they can! But there might also be others that think this is not fine compared to others that always come up with new content! This is a free not censored community and people can use what the system gives them. I do have an issue when this or any other person claims to be attacked by bad bad personalities here and not even considers that there might be reasons to do so.
I know a lot young new joiners here that draft content from scratch, might be writing, might be a new app, a game - they can not re-use content they may have written 10 years ago - some of them have awesome innovative ideas. Some of them get frustrated because no one votes them and they hardly get any reward r more important - they are not recognised as on trending always the same people have their paved field of playing. This is the killer of any platform!
If I would be an investor that might have paid 1 million USD worth of Steem I would act exactly like @transisto - so many pearls are lost as minnows because no one sees them - but others are used to be paid their circle jerk amounts for every piece of content they write. No one should get used to this! Give the minnows a chance and relax - DO NOT TAKE IT PERSONALLY IF YOU GET A FLAG.
Man, I wholeheartedly agree, with your points and the other two posts you mentioned. I'm electing to comment on your post though, mainly because you're not accepting payout, which is honorable, in my opinion.
I feel that this really captured the crux of it. To complain about earning an amount that most users could only hope for really tipped it for me. One can't justify the length of stay or the work put in because no one really knows the effort that other people put in. Someone who's earning $0.10 might've spent the entire night crafting a post that truly deserves hundreds of dollars while posts that receive tons of earning are mediocre at best. I didn't want to comment at first because I didn't want to be political and choose a side. If I were to choose a side though, I'd go with the flagger.
@transisto was very diplomatic when he explained his reasons, and I truly feel like he was just looking out for the whole community. He has a very large stake, so it's justified. How anyone would refuse to accept his reason boggles the mind. Posts that receive views that are less than 20% of its earnings really are suspicious. Especially when it's done multiple times a day. I get it if it's just once a day, but multiple? Please. If that's not raping the rewards pool, then I don't know what is.
To top it all off, playing the victim and making posts in hopes to further earn more is very underhanded. Views are a perfectly reasonable metric to measure unjust rewards. It wasn't a personal attack nor an attack on fiction. Put simply, it was one whale looking out for everyone else.
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My problem with flags have been when it is used to censor users unique content. Some whale decides that they do not agree politically or for what ever reason and the post gets hammered. This is call censorship. If Steemit is going to have censors and thought police then we might as well stay of facebook and twitter.
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generally that is not the case with downvotes. This has happened in the past but usually happened because of reasons less public. Everything is becoming a little more transparent as far as who is being targeted and why. While it may seem like censorship, all people have a right to use their SP for their reasons. This makes steem unique in that it gives peoples investments value. If you look back to a lot of these abusive downvotes, they came from the people who run steemit, Stinc. Or those "contracted" with stinc. "#diaf" is one such case by a representative of steemit.
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True - I do not like censorship too - the system is not perfect but we have to deal with it, i am sure a lot influential whales are here to support such things you mentioned - the above is just different, someone got hurt by lower rewards as used by circle jerk
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I think the people who are willing to sacrifice their SP to downvote, not selfishly, are really benefiting the whole of steem. By downvoting the scammers, cirlce-jerkers, and overvalued posts they are 1. removing their vote from the mess and 2. removing rewards from some scammers/cirlce-jerkers/over valued posts.
This opens up the reward pool for new people who have valuable content to offer. If you question my theory just look into the pre HF19 whale vote strike, or whatever you want to call it.
There is a few things that still need to change to get this platform on the right path but this is a start. We must appreciate what these whales @berniesanders and @transisto are offering and giving up for this platform.
@uwelang you are right on, as always.
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Thanks, agreed - am not right on always for sure - just expressed my thoughts on this here.
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There is some good being done by flagging abuse on Steemit, but some object to posts they just don't like earning something. That is up to the community. Some are lucky enough to have wealthy fans, as in real life. I agree the person in question has complained enough. It's not like they never made anything and it's just one whale flagging them (I think). Let's move on
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Yes - agreed @steevc - rant over and move on - I expressed what I thought - no issue with the person and also did not wanna profit from the rant - i might have been a bet aggressive last weeks as of some discussions I was not in agreement with others. But good to have the option to express your self, ranting, fighting but also to get together and find consensus :-) -thanks for bringing me back a bit - much appreciated!
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Good points. Right now the perception is that someone instantly becomes a victim once flagged and is thus absolved of all responsibility for their reaction. Therefore it's perfectly acceptable to throw a public fit and keep it up until the flags are removed. Not speaking of any particular case here but as a general observation. Not a fan of "drama" or any of that crap. It's not a theatrical production here.
Using flags (or down-votes, which is what they actually are) is seen as abuse rather a form of curation, which is what it was meant to be. It's not a victim-aggressor relationship; it's a stakeholder using their stake to help allocate rewards. More worrying about promoting quality which often goes unnoticed.
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Agree with your last points in particular - promoting quality is a good thing, requires to deactivate trending tab though.
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I look at Trending, Hot and Promoted so seldom I forget they're there. There's no point to those tabs except to make minnows feel like shit.
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lol, true yes!
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Drama drama drama. That's what people want on the internet. Don't get stressed with that ehehe
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i think main problem here is there is no downvotes were for a long time, so people take it personally and very emotional. They love to abuse connections and receive every post hundreds of $ . In my opinion we got bad trending/hot section algorithm of visibility. Only who got connections or buying upvotes usually can be seen, without it even if you are god of writing and produce amazing content nobody see it, so we need to look more into that i bealive. Because of this algorithm we got circle jerk abusers and connections more matters than content quality.
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good spot - the trending page is what i recommend everyone NOT to look at but we do it, and we get frustrated, we see tons of shit there based on connections these people released. Which is not a bad thing, social media is based on relations - that is human and if someone is good in that, this person deserves it. There are usually some selected ones but I love the fact now again some whales do something against this! I have been once or twice in trending as a surprise (even without bots) and also got some attacks about it. As long as we all have a fair chance - good. The flagging going on currently is in my POV the best thing that can happen to the platform.
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I think we need more new user friendly algo, because right now people who register without connections cant hit more than 1-3 cents, and 3-5 views per post, after sometimes they just say steemit is scam and leave this platform. So i hope in 2018 we will have some updates to actually change something about it and new users will stay, right now we got around 500k users registerred and 40k only active , thats sad.
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Excellent post. I invite to visit my blog. Good luck.
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you replied the same comment on another spot of me, be careful before i flag you
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He will not care. He will ignore your comment. I put you also as an investigatot to steem cleaner ;)
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true, you put me on what? I have submitted some last two days, hope sth happens there
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People have a reason to get upset for being flagged, especially if they did nothing wrong or if their post didn't offend anything
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Everyone can be upset - but that is not the topic - flags have various meanings depending on where these people come from, creator, investor for example. Most of the whining people still do not understand the system or just take past rewards fro granted.
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I totally agree with you, if a person does not understand something, instead of listening to the opposite side and try to see the real depth of the problem, they prefer to whine. By the way I just wrote an article with my vision on how to solve a problem. You are very welcome to participate in the discussion.
https://steemit.com/steemit/@hoodaim/conflict-of-interests-upvotes-vs-flagging-is-there-a-solution
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