Petition To Declare George Soros A Terrorist Is An Abberration of Constitutional and Moral LawsteemCreated with Sketch.

in constitution •  7 years ago  (edited)

Originally posted on Anti-aggressionleague.com

This is perhaps the first time I've ever defended a billionaire on this blog, and a liberal billionarie at that. But what I am defending is not the person of George Soros, but the principle: his rights as an American citizen and a human being. This is in no regard an endorsement of his character, or the character of the groups he supposedly funds. From what I have read and observed, I find him completely abhorrent as a person, in part from his callus behavior as a currency speculator. Nevertheless, I make a crucial distinction between a person's character and their rights, noting that disdain for the former doesn't logically imply disdain for the latter. It is the reason why we allow people we vehemently disagree with to speak, and by extrapolation, why we should give everyone their day in court, even if they have been judged guilty by the court of public opinion beforehand. The petitioner, along with the 150,000 people who signed it, make a fatal error by failing to make this distinction. You can find the petition here. It reads:

Whereas George Soros has willfully and on an ongoing basis attempted to destabilize and otherwise commit acts of sedition against the United States and its citizens, has created and funded dozens (and probably hundreds) of discrete organizations whose sole purpose is to apply Alinsky model terrorist tactics to facilitate the collapse of the systems and Constitutional government of the United State, and has developed unhealthy and undue influence over the entire Democrat Party and a large portion of the US Federal government, the DOJ should immediately declare George Soros and all of his organizations and staff members to be domestic terrorists, and have all of his personal an organizational wealth and assets seized under Civil Asset Forfeiture law.

The irony of accusing someone else of trying to destroy our constitutional government while calling for the destruction of constitutional rights, in this particular case, is lost on the petitioner. The constitution doesn't establish a government that rules by edict, but that is exactly what this person is unwittingly calling for. There is this little know thing called the 5th amendment to the bill of rights, and another little known thing called the presumption of innocence; they work in tandem. The 5th amendment guarantees No person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law. Posting a list of accusations on the Whitehouse website is not due process and neither is a proclaimation by an unelected bureaucrat. Since the accusation is a criminal offense, due process entails a criminal investigation, an arrest, criminal charges, and a criminal trial by a jury of his peers, where you know evidence is presented. A list of accusations on a Whitehouse petition is not evidence. They are simply claims, claims which require proof, and the presumption of innocence places the burden of proof on the people making the claims. What the petitioner is calling for is a backwards and logically absurd justice system where the accused are required to prove a negative in order to evade punishment. If we were to apply this rationale universally, any one should be able to get anyone else's property taken from them by simply accusing them of a crime. Acts of government don't occur in a vacuum; when one person's rights are violated it sets the precedent for subjecting everyone's rights to a similar treatment. Now I am all for a federal investigation of George Soros, especially his ties to the antifa terrorists marauding through our streets, but it must be done by the books according to the legal and moral principles enumerated in the constitution.

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The Petition was indeed worded wrong. But something needs to be done about this man. He owns the justice system in this country in one fashion or another. I think charges of Racketeering and Sedition should lead the charge if you could find a District Attorney willing to put his own life in his hands.

I think the person responsible for authoring the Petition is like myself done with the contrived two tiered justice system in America. They see Soros as a Terrorist, I do too but he should be investigated and like the Clinton Foundation and Media Matters but no one will even consider it.

As far as the "US Constitution" and our Rights enshrined therein, pffft! We have been post Constitutional for decades now. Progressives have seen to that.

Our Congress and the people fattening their pockets from K Street no more give a shit about the Constitution than they do about the debt they are laying at the feet of children that won't be born for another 40 years.

They are all repugnant and without accountability.

Your defense is not about Soros at all I see that. I admire your conviction but I am afraid we are likely past it ever being resolved.

Just my two STEEMS Worth.

Designating an organization as a terrorist group and designating an individual U.S. citizen as a terrorist are categorically different things. I don't think the author of this petition understands that. Antifa isn't an individual; it is a syndicate of mobs with seditious aims. However, an individual accused of belonging to antifa is entitled to all of the rights and privileges afford to every other citizen accused of a crime.

I use the constitution, and specifically the bill of rights, as the grounds for my arguments because it is one of the few legal documents that enshrines our liberty. My concern isn't really the constitution itself as a legally binding document, but the principles within it that transcend the constitution. Our forefathers didn't just think of them one day. They predate the American revolution, the enlightenment, and even the origins of our constitutional tradition in the English middle ages. They are moral precepts, and their veracity doesn't depend on whether the government sanctions them or not just as 2+2=4 even if the department of education came out and said 2+2=5.