Ceptr: how and why

neoxian (70) · 8 years ago (edited)

Edit: sorry to be a complainer.

Ok, so there is a three hour long video and another hour long video, so all those who are voting now, I'm sure you've watched both of those right? (This comment was made when the post was 22 minutes old, and it was already voted to about $30)

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17 votes

bola (67) · 8 years ago (edited)

People can upvote whatever they want, there's no rules that they have to watch 4 hours of video then upvote. @neoxian you complained when you could have watched 22 minutes of the video or do something else.

2 votes

neoxian (70) · 8 years ago

They can upvote whatever they want, and I'm free to complain about it. Isn't freedom grand?

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5 votes

bola (67) · 8 years ago

Why don't you try and work hard to make $30 instead of complaining hes making more than you. Isn't working grand

8 votes

neoxian (70) · 8 years ago (edited)

I'll have you know I do work hard, and I make pretty good money. Why are you making this about me? And I've even made good money here, without the benefit of whale bots voting me up automatically.

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11 votes

dobermansden (25) · 8 years ago

@bola i agree with you 100%

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dana-edwards (74) · 8 years ago

He means work hard on Steemit. And if you saw my previous post then you'd know why Ceptr might be interesting to some people. Whether it's bots voting or people, the fact is that whales have limited attention. At the same time, watch the videos because it's certainly valuable content.

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dana-edwards (74) · 8 years ago (edited)

Actually @neoxian has more Steem Power than I have, yet lower reputation? How does that happen?

The point is nothing is helped by complaining about how people digest posts. It's only a valid complaint if the voters never watch the video and blindly vote it up, but the bots who curate are betting that the minnows, dolphins and other whales will watch the videos and vote it up.

As far as voting earlier than 30 mins in, it might not be the most profitable way to vote but there is no reasonable way for whales to digest and curate content before each vote unless the content is dramatically simplified, which would be the equivalent to making this place like Twitter or something similar where posts have to be made short.

But then there is a problem because some content is complex, some topics take an hour, or several hours to explain, and how do we discuss that content if every voter is required to spend the time to review it prior to voting? Maybe the 24 hour voting period makes this possible but you forget it's a competition to upvote first.

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recursive (62) · 8 years ago (edited)

No, I upvoted because I'm interested in Ceptr, and I'm glad there is at least one Steemian who posts interesting, well written and thought-provoking articles about computer-science subjects. @dana-edwards has also covered Tau and Tezos which are, again, very unique and sadly little recognized projects with far reaching implications.

You can see it the same way as magazines. Do you spend one hour standing at the bookshop and pay your magazines and books only once you are done reading them? Have you never subscribed to a periodic magazine because you found that the quality was consistently good and you could trust them to keep writing good content?

Well it's the same here, I pretty much upvote everything @dana-edwards publishes right off the bat when I see the post because I know it's going to be good content. So far I haven't been disappointed a single time. If this blog was a computer science and philosophy magazine I'd probably take a subscription.

Now let me finish that video quietly please

1 vote

leksimus (51) · 8 years ago

I guess they are watching both videos at the same time on speed 2 so it's understandable.

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2 votes

solar (52) · 8 years ago

good point. It's proving to be an interesting video though.

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neoxian (70) · 8 years ago

Could someone post a "too-long didn't watch" summary for me?

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leksimus (51) · 8 years ago

Well now I don't wanna be funny or something like that but here are summaries from youtube videos that briefly explains the matter, it's not enough to explain what is in the videos since no one has time to watch this.
"Ceptr is a biomimetic protocol for distributed processing that goes beyond blockchain in its approach to decentralization and scalability. The MetaCurrency Project has invested the last 5 years in developing Ceptr, a rebuild of much of the computing stack optimized for decentralized sense-making, computation, and composability. This means semantics baked into the lowest levels of memory storage, self-describing protocols which let anything talk with anything else, and blockchain-like abilities for decentralized data storage and computation:

Our approach addresses many issues people are tackling in a variety of projects (web of trust, blockchain, semantic web, decentralized applications, federated identity, ease of interoperability, rapid code evolution with massive reuse, mesh networks, etc.) through a unified approach. Applications in Ceptr will be able to be developed faster, easier, and should significantly outperform projects which have been cobbled together from more traditional tools."

Below this is presentation used in the first video that takes 5-10 minutes to go through but is not easily understandable without watching video (at least for me).
https://prezi.com/raptqxuputwp/ceptr-tech-overview/

2 votes

zippy (35) · 8 years ago

That's a deep-dive video. Here's a link to an introduction the platform: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Line362Wm0zMOZcEZMqPYfHqNS4XIVyVsP7SS_4jE2o

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1 vote

neoxian (70) · 8 years ago

Ok, you guys are making good points. Sorry that I complained about it. I am interested in Ceptr, but I don't have time to watch those videos, maybe I'll try on the weekend but no promises. It would be wonderful if someone could break it down for me. It sounds pretty complicated.

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9 votes

solar (52) · 8 years ago

it is a very thorough technical complicated breakdown of the project. I think developers would get the most out of it.

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bola (67) · 8 years ago

Good to know, I'm following you now great post.

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3 votes

neoxian (70) · 8 years ago

What's good to know? You've seen both of those videos already? Did you speed watch them?

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11 votes

bola (67) · 8 years ago (edited)

lol wow, i'm still watching it. I didn't know what Ceptr was now i do.... Are you watching it? Why do i get a feeling your angry...

10 votes

neoxian (70) · 8 years ago

No I don't have 4 hours to spare, sorry.

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4 votes

dana-edwards (74) · 8 years ago

If you won't watch the video, or discuss Ceptr, what are you adding to the discussion?

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sunnyd (25) · 8 years ago

i agree with you @neoxian is angry or unhappy

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neoxian (70) · 8 years ago

I'm annoyed that @dana-edwards is making 30$ when clearly no one has finished watching the videos. It shows that they are just automatically voting.

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dana-edwards (74) · 8 years ago (edited)

@neoxian

Bots exist because of attention scarcity. The people who voted it up are likely watching the video and they can easily remove their vote if they find the videos are garbage. But if the videos are informative then they'll leave their votes.

Many people see interesting posts, immediately vote it up, and then dedicate some time over the course of the day to read it. I do it all the time with Dan's posts or with some posts which are complex. If I can't take the time to digest the post then maybe I wouldn't vote it up or down but why comment on the post at all in that case?

Do you at least know what Ceptr is or who Arthur Brock is?

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ratel (67) · 8 years ago

I'm sorry, I do not have time to watch all the videos. Can someone tell us briefly about what they are?

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dana-edwards (74) · 8 years ago (edited)

Ceptr is a new kind of recomposable social computing protocol of protocols. I figured since it's complicated, the people most fit to describe it are the creators. The video gives the most accurate description of what Ceptr is but if you want a more generalized explanation you can see my post on social computers.

For people who want to know what Ceptr is in specific then the two videos are informative. For people who want my discussion the link below is better.

https://steemit.com/steem/@dana-edwards/social-computers-human-based-computation-games

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startrek99 (46) · 8 years ago

I voted this up because I had only watched 2 minutes and I was falling asleep! great insomnia cure.

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zippy (35) · 8 years ago

I'm the lead coder on the project. If anyone has any tech questions about Ceptr, feel free to ask them here.

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