Debunking Jan Irvin - Part 2

It has been a couple of days since I published Debunking Jan Irvin.

Rather than updating that already rather long post, I figured I'd just continue here. There's some new information and evidence to share.

Yesterday I made a video about the post.

Since both of these publications, a lot of information has been flooding in. Jan has been active on the Internet for almost 10 years, and in that time has burned many bridges. I am not even in the first 100 people he has accused of being a CIA agent, or worse.

Alex Jones ended his war with Joe Rogan, and shifted his stance on Ayahuasca and DMT from "evil CIA mind control drugs" to "vital Silicon Valley technology enabling the globalists to access the latest advances from other dimensions". Yes, really!

Jan Irvin's named was not mentioned.

Jan has been deleting any comment from his page that links to my rebuttal post or video. He has also been trolling me on my page with sock puppet accounts - by his own admission.

The actual people he says are bots are showing up in the thread and commenting and laughing at him. He acknowledges that "John Smith" is one of his sock puppet accounts.

In the process of trolling, he manages to tell more lies - which we can prove with evidence.

Carl Hassell has given me permission to share the interactions with Jan that they are both referring to:

You can see how Irvin's logical thinking process works. Joe Atwill was in New Zealand, I was in New Zealand, the two of us got together and recorded a free YouTube show How To Be A Truther...therefore, that is proof that the CIA is funding us. He actually expects people to respect his work while he blatantly ignores the Trivium like that.

"Everything's in the New Testament and Tartary. All the religions fit together around Israel, I'm the only one who's figured it out" - OK Jan, whatever you say mate. Publish or perish.

What part of this video seems like something the CIA would fund?

It didn't take long before Jan's paranoia kicked in and he turned on Carl, too.

This is the guy who introduced Jan to his wife, remember. You'd think Jan might be more polite. Instead he declined Carl's offer to share his research; thankfully he's decided to do that on my CryptoBeast YouTube channel instead. Carl realized he had been manipulated by Jan, as you can see from this email to Matt Carney:

Date: January 26, 2018 at 1:50 PM
Subject: I was manipulated by Jan
Hi Matt. I hope this letter finds you as well as possible. Man, did I get burned by Irvin. I trusted him. He lied & manipulated me for over a year. This morning I started repairing the damage I did in my online relationship with Zos. Zos was receptive and cordial. ( I p.m-d him earlier this morning.) Zos was the only one who answered me when I tagged him, Jan, Atwill, and Forte in a post on Jan.20th. As I told Z this morning, I felt his reply was a spin, and so I did not respond. When it became obvious Jan wasn't going to answer me regarding the post,I p.m Jan,and the shit storm started, I have saved the p.m.'s with both Z & Jan. Anyway, I always trusted you because you and I shared large chunks of our life to the groups, and that said a lot to me. Socrates & I were bummed that you jumped out. Thanks, take care Matt. Carl Hassell

Here is my email interaction with Carl at the time. You will see the tone of it is rather different from Jan's"

Sent: Friday, January 26, 2018 4:06:04 PM
Subject: Jan and stuff
Hi Carl. Matt let me know a few months ago that Jan had contacted him privately, saying that I am CIA and that the head of IT for the CIA was the administrator for my Conspiracies group on Facebook.

He laughed it off, as did I. It makes no sense that I would expose as much as I have - at great personal and financial cost - if I was working for them. Nor does it make sense that I would move to New Zealand - wouldn't they want me to spy on a country that was a threat to the US?

I told Jan that I met Jim Woolsey, former CIA director, at a charity fundraiser in Washington DC about 10 years ago. At that point he had been retired from the CIA for more than a decade. If he had recruited me then as my handler, why would I tell anyone that story? It makes about as much sense as Douglas Dietrich's claims that Michael Aquino recruited me from New Zealand when I was 6, through a British guy who was 9 at the time that I didn't meet for another 30 years. I have met plenty of people in my life, heads of state, CEOs. I have been self-employed since I was 22, my business career is public knowledge. You can read about it on LinkedIn or Wikipedia.
My friend Vahid is someone I always used to talk about conspiracies with. Before 9/11 there were not that many of my friends even interested in a conversation about this topic. He and I would always talk about this stuff on Facebook, when I made the group in 2009 I invited him to be an admin - as I did another friend, Eric Doriean, who I also talk about conspiracies with. Vahid is a server salesman, he ran his own company BizCloud and when that failed had a number of jobs before he joined Amazon in 2015. He is a sales guy in their web services division, he is not the head of IT or anywhere near that senior. He launched an "NSA Comedy Tour" after the Snowden leaks came out to expose the deep state. Oh and he is Iranian, why would the CIA hire Iranians who hate the Deep State and put them in charge of their technology infrastructure?

Jan's idea that we are spying on members of the group is ridiculous. First of all, Facebook was created by the CIA as a spying tool - I covered that in episode 1 of my Burners series. Why would they need a special group with a few hundred members in it? It makes no sense. Second, what spying is going on there? We all share stories and comment on them, there is nothing controversial or national security related in any way. The group has been going for 9 years and I have never once heard of anyone having anything bad happen in their life as a result of being a member.

This is where Jan's use of the Trivium falls down, he uses grammar "beast = Satan", "crypto = secret plot" but does not use logic. If I was a Satanist I would be promoting Satanism, not exposing it. I stand by my work, I am highly critical of Crowley and dark occultism and their whole agenda. How is that promoting it? Saying that my nightclub logo is a hat is just ridiculous. Crowley was part of the Top Hat gang anyway. Because some obscure heavy metal band has an album called CryptoBeast, if I name my show after that I must be a fan of the band? No logic at all. My wife loves Beauty and the Beast, a lot of girls do, she calls me her beast. She doesn't mean it in a satanic way. If I was a satanist I would do and promote evil things, instead of always tweeting about #pedogate I would be trying to justify it and cover up for it.

Jan seems very committed these days to the Bible and his Fomenko theory of history. I understand some of what Fomenko is saying and it makes sense but my wife is Indian, the Indian culture is thousands of years old, there is plenty of evidence of that. Any time I asked Jan about it he called me names - again, this is not what the Trivium is all about. He says that the New Testament is a real book, primary source documentation - and yet there is no evidence at all of that. He says that Jesus is not a historical figure, and he has read Fomenko but I have not. But Fomenko says Jesus was a real historical figure, King Iesu who lived in the 1100's!

Jan turned on me, as far as I can tell, just because I stuck up for Joe Atwill by saying "if Joe is a disinfo agent, show me some of the disinfo" - when I finally got an answer out of him, he said "Joe believes that Jerusalem was in Israel and Rome was in Italy". The guy is a looney tunes, Rome is STILL in Italy and Jerusalem is still in Israel. There's a huge controversy right now about Trump moving the US embassy there from Tel Aviv.

Before he turned on me, he contacted me privately many times to tell me people were agents. Some of the ones he named were Matt Carney (for being Phil Lesh's nephew, which he told us about, it's not some secret that Jan dug out), Nino Teauneaux (who went on Jan's show, then Jan turned on him), Pearl Vashuda Chanter, Jay Dyer.

I met Joe's wife on their recent visit to New Zealand. She is a committed buddhist. He hates Zionism and was talking about the history of it at some length in front of her. How can publicly exposing Zionism be promoting it?
It just makes no sense, so you have to wonder what Jan's real agenda is. Why did he freak out when I and others suggested he debate Joe? Isn't that the whole point of the Trivium, to prove your point with facts? Watch the interview he did with Robert Forte, you could tell Robert really wanted to share what he knew about Timothy Leary etc but Jan wouldn't even let him get a word in, he just kept attacking him. Why did Jan block me on Facebook instead of presenting evidence of all the things he claimed about me? He said "i'm sick of the lies and the Crowley bullshit", but never once said what lies he's talking about. The only Crowley bullshit is thinking my nightclub logo is a hat, I am not a graphic designer and did not create the logo. I never said anything promoting Crowley, ever. I hate the guy.

Watch Joe's Powers and Principalities shows with Tim Kelly, he is continuing to do what I liked him for - exposing the agenda of cultural debasement from the Zionists. He talks about that on every other show he goes on too, and has great information that he reveals about it. What has Jan done since his split with Joe? Burned a bunch of people, lost a lot of discussion and engagement from his Facebook page, and heavily pushed Jacob Duellman - who has some good research, but I find to be pretty boring. I guarantee you that within the next year or two Jan will turn on Jacob too.
I have bothered to write this because I like you and your son and have enjoyed your contributions to our Facebook groups, even though we have never met face to face. I hope you and Socrates will friend me again and rejoin the groups.
I am sorry that I could not help you more to get your story out. [redacted]. I have bills to pay and I have been working my ass off since moving to New Zealand last July. I finished off my Burners series with Jan in 2017 but all the research for that was done in the previous years. I want to pick up my research again this year, but the next thing for me will be Charles Babbage in the 1800's.
Cheers Steve

This is Carl's reply to my email:

---------- Original Message ----------
Date: January 27, 2018 at 6:32 AM
Subject: Re: Jan and stuff
Steve...Thank you for your letter. My apologies for taking so long to write back, I had to lay down for several hours due to [redacted], I stopped narcotic pain meds several years ago. So...ouch! Cannabis only goes so far sometimes! And I can only type with my index fingers and cant look away from the keyboard.First, I was sorry to hear about [redacted] , I am sure you went through the wringer over it. I have had a very, very rocky relationship with Jan since my first frantic phone call (That consisted of him mostly yelling at me!) and a rambling snail mail to him in about April 2016, and a few frantic emails. I originally hoped Jan would expose P.W. At first he was very excited by the thought, and dared me to go on the show. I declined because he was the guy exposing this kind of stuff. I was prepared to give him all of the information I had amassed, along with inside information only Clergy and select members would know. And so I supplied him with many, many things for the Brain Database. He used only a small portion of what I sent him.
Everything on the Brain Pages about Mana Truhill/Trujillo,Peyote Way, Peyote, and Mormons,NAC, etc. came from me. All of it. I also sent Jan a very rare book( I found 5 copies), I kept 2, and sent the other 2 to lifelong friends. After several months of nothing...no questions, comments, or even an acknowledgement that he read the book, I started to insert comments and links on Jans F.B.page, as he only got a small fraction of what I still had. If he had read that short book and compared it to PWCG's webpage, alarm bells would go off, and he could have done a couple shows on it. I did watch Fortes interview when it happened, and I went back and forth with Forte for 2 days blasting him on Jans F.B.page. He reminds me of so many charlatans I've met over the years. I feel as long as one is promoting psychedelics, then they are advocating for it.
When I first contacted Jan, I didn't know how to cut and paste! I was not internet savvy at all! He frequently and gleefully ridiculed me for my poor internet skills, and herky jerky emails. I improved since then. Jan also told me regarding PW, "We will get there Carl, patience" I finally realized he wasn't going to do anything. And that puzzled me. I now believe he is probably controlled opposition or something. I suspect Forte has a part in it. I was also puzzled by the lack of interest from the rest of you guys. As for my post tagging all of you on Jan.20...My intent was to have it all on the table, I needed to know why the topic seemed to be dropped cold. AND I didn't want any secrets, by putting you all on the spot simultaneously, no one could say I went behind their back. After over a year with no real interest shown by anyone, I made the post .I was supremely pissed when no one replied ,and I considered it a snub, as I was always civil, courteous, and cordial. (Except towards Forte!) And my info solid!! That's when I childishly struck out at yourself & Joe. I am embarrassed and sorry for that. I p.m Jan early in the morning on Jan.21, because it looked like he was gonna ignore the post also...I saved all of the pms.,I will send the whole exchange if you want. let me know, as this letter is already long.
In the pm, Jan got very angry and accusatory and took many things out of context and mis-characterized other things. His rambling comments got quite bizarre. When I said "I may sound crazy, but it looks like Zos may be a Satanist"( Based on what flimsy evidence Jan supplied.) he quickly launched into a tirade of how "the CIA is restructuring because I exposed the whole thing", and "why the fuck would you write the enemy asking to go on their show" ( I did not ask anyone to put me on a show.) He went into "their all devils using my show to fight" and "Bill Joslins dirty too, he got compromised" "all of them, they are all dirty" he also said I was "trolling his friends list", when his list is not viewable as you know! We had a mutual friend, (Mark Wharhol) and I asked him if he was the ex-member of PW Jan had told me about. Mark was the only person I asked! Jan also said he "exposed PWCG", and there was nothing left to say!! WHAT?? He NEVER uttered the words. Never typed the words either!!
After listening and watching shows for over a year by the 3 of you guys, I knew PWCG was perfect to bring the research up to the present, as it is an ongoing, current operation with all the ties outlined in the Brain...and then some.I have listened to all the Kelly67 shows with Joe, and have commented on a few. I look forward to each installment. I know you don't control F.B. Steve, I wasn't inferring that.
To wrap this up...I'm done trying to expose PW with anyone's help, I see it ain't gonna happen. I know I hit some kind of home run with PW, and that's why it went sideways and nowhere. Something is very strange about Jan's leading me on for over a year, and then claiming he covered it.As far as who is or is not CIA, it really doesn't matter to me...I am 60 yrs.old, sick, broke, have no connections, and very insignificant in the scheme of the big picture. I sincerely thank you for this email, Steve. It means a lot to me. Carl Hassell.
P.S.I did email Matt after you & I talked. I hope he gets back to me.

Later Carl and Jan had a public falling out over Jan's show where he was very disparaging to Alcoholics Anonymous.

None of the people on the show had fully read The Big Book or completed all 12 steps of a program. A.A. has saved millions of lives and has an extremely high efficacy rate. Why would Jan Irvin, a former promoter of hallucinogens, cannabis and other narcotics, be trying to steer people away from A.A. without putting in the time to even read the book? Why not get a guest on to talk about it who had been through the 12 steps? Who benefits from Jan's attack on A.A.?

The information Carl has shared shows that Jan is lying once more. He did not "recently" get a Facebook message from Carl. That was an exchange from more than a year ago - for Jan, more than 1 wife ago. He also clearly did not stop working with Carl because he was part of some troll team. Instead, he declined to publish Carl's research, then when I had him on my show, decided that Carl was now a troll on the payroll of the CIA targeted at Jan. Once again, no evidence is ever presented for Jan's allegations. Carl is obviously an independent person just trying to get his research out.

The Gnostic Media Slayer channel has some interesting stuff. Is this why he suddenly changed the name after so many years building his brand?

If there was something occult in my software company, give an example of it. Jan can't, because there wasn't. What part of web authoring is chaos magic? Please explain. Point to somewhere I used chaos magic to do something. You only need to provide one example to show that you are not just making this up.

I have been on the Internet for 25 years, and in all that time have never encountered such accusations as this mentally unhinged person is making against me, entirely without evidence. Was every journalist who ever covered me before completely wrong, and only Jan Irvin got the scoop (from my own words?) Or could it be that Jan Irvin has no idea what he is talking about, can't remember my first slide - and doesn't want to admit that - so he is trying to spin falsehoods into truths?

All I can do is present evidence. If you care about that, you'll be on my side because this is where all the evidence. If evidence doesn't matter, what matters are baseless allegations and sophistry, then you can join Jan's side. The hate group running trolls and sock puppet accounts - at least he has now openly admitted that he's doing it.

Before Jan introduced Joe Rogan to Ayahuasca (2011), went on Alex Jones for the first time (2011), and helped launched the CIA's MKULTRA project to popularize modern hallucinogens...we don't know really what he did. Ethno-botany? We know is he was in Serbia in the 90's before, during, and after the war and he speaks the language fluently. His earlier Internet footprints are very light.

This seems eerily similar to #govLARP-er Jason Goodman who "never went to Ukraine" but 2 weeks after the Maidan Revolution broke out there was presenting on stage as CEO of a company that just flew drones over Chernobyl.

He is registered as an Agent and business contact for the American Serbian Association for Peace, a California non-profit :

I found a Serbian-American Association for Peace on CNN and an American-Serbian Association . The Internet footprints are lighter for the mysterious American-Serbian Association for Peace. They were incorporated in 1999, during the Serbian war.

He goes from the Serbian war, to the cannabis movement - Jack Herer, doing shrooms with Joe Rogan in 2003, a decade or so promoting the psychedelics, then switches over to his work "exposing" them which is really just calling all the other books exposing them limited hangouts.

The evidence I have shared proves conclusively that Jan Irvin is a liar and a sophist. He is not operating in Truth, "Logos", trying to help people learn about what is going on in the world despite what #FakeNews tells you. Instead, he has been pushing his own Puritcanical Christian view of how things should be: "cannabis bad, LGBT bad, vegetarians bad, Tartarians good, lies good, ad hominem attacks good, logic bad".

Jan claims to be a proof-based researcher dedicated to the Truth. But when it was exposed that one of his guests was a child sex trafficking pedophile, part of a Doomsday cult, did he Correct The Record? No, he just deleted some of the pedo's shows. The one titled "The Twelve Tribes of Israel" got to stay there.

Jan's defense of this guy is extremely creepy. Although Jan claimed he did "an" interview, he actually did many shows. You can still get audio versions of the deleted ones here: https://www.mixcloud.com/gnosticmedia/

https://ksltv.com/399230/leader-knights-crystal-blade-speaks-exclusively-behind-bars/

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