Should animals be used for scientific testing?

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It is estimated that about 26 million animals each year are used for scientific and commercial testing in the United States alone. Animals are used for developing medical treatments, determining toxicity of certain produce, checking safety of materials destined for human use or other biomedical, commercial or health care uses. Proponents say that it allowed for the development of life-saving treatments for both humans and animals and that there are no alternatives for adequately researching complete living organisms. Opponents on the other hand say that it is cruel and inhumane and that alternatives are present to replace animal testing. Also the difference between animals and humans would lead to incomparable results.

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There are already strict regulations regarding animal testing

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The animal welfare act does not cover rats, mice, fish or birds but these make up about 95% of all animals used in research (source)

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Results from animal tests are not always representative for humans.

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It is nevertheless an essential step between theoretic research and human trials.

Animal testing allowed for sometimes life-saving treatments.

There is no alternative for testing certain methods on an entire organic system.

Animal testing is cruel and inhumane.

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No. It is not ethical.

The failure of clinical trial results to translate into successful drug therapies suggests that the suffering we inflict on animals does not yield enough information to warrant animal experimentation. https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fphar.2017.00478/full

The argument that animal welfare guidelines exist is empty--there are whole classes of animals left out of the regulations https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/animal-emotions/201609/the-animal-welfare-act-claims-rats-and-mice-are-not-animals and https://academic.oup.com/ilarjournal/article/57/3/285/3796586

Powerful lobbies exist that promote animal experimentation. This is a multi billion dollar industry. In includes not only the breeders and providers of research subjects, but also the institutions that carry on research and are subsidized in their activities. https://www.navs.org/the-issues/the-animal-testing-and-experimentation-industry/

While not everyone will agree that animals are sentient, this is a level of understanding that is evolving. http://theconversation.com/heres-what-the-science-says-about-animal-sentience-88047

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Hi @samve. Stumble, indeed! I am as passionate about this issue as you are about climate. I try to remain calm :) as I raise issues, but for me it is such a clear case of suffering vs. not suffering. Plus, I think, it damages the researchers who inure themselves to the pain of countless animals in service of a goal. It can't be good for the psyche to close your eyes on a constant basis to the suffering of any creature--even a spider or fly.
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Just as passionate? Than this post must have definitely triggered something! The aspect of the researchers themselves is indeed something I did not even think about...

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As for passion about animal experimentation--it is not new-found. An essay I wrote for a blog (since inactive) in 2013 kind of shows the interest I have had for a long time. You don't have to read the blog--just adding it for your interest. Leave My Beagle Alone

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