But We Just Had Two Years Of Record-Breaking Global Cooling
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NASA data show that global temperatures dropped sharply over the past two years. Not that you’d know it, since that wasn’t deemed news.
the U.S. has cut CO2 emissions over the past 13 years faster than any other industrialized nation?
reckon that might be the reason why?
I suspect that like 911, anyone who hasn't grasped that "global warming" is total bollocks, really doesn't want to know.
I did a webpage about it 10 years ago, but there is lots of new fudporn to have self righteous anxiety about since then...
http://www.frot.co.nz/design/sift/global-warming/
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I've showed several time on posts related to "global warming" a chart of temperature over thousands of years. It essentially shows similar result: Temperature changes over time. I don't get why people can't get this.
I subscribe to a good number of top financial newsletters. In a recent Casey Daily Dispatch, they featured an article by John Hunt, who is coauthor of a serious of books with Doug Casey. This is one of the best articles I've read arguing why he doesn't believe climate scientists:
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Very worried about the news, maybe some Americans already know it, but not with us in Aceh, Indonesia. I apologize for what my friends in America feel.
In Indoneisa especially Aceh, the air is fine, maybe because the forest in our place is still fertile, and not too many factories in our place. in economic terms we are left behind, but in terms of nature we are still rich.
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I don't know about 2017, but having a year that is not as hot as the last 2 years - both the hottest ever recorded -- is really not surprising.
edit: found it, 2017 was the warmest ever recorded year that was not an El Nino year and the third warmest ever.
Oh, and a record in the cat 5 hurricanes (highest amount in shortest time). AND the northest ever recorded hurricane (Ireland)
I guess you can see the general trend without knowing German.
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1860 is when the records start for land based measurements.
1979 is when they start for satellite
1980 is when they start for ocean
Scientifically speaking, the "Records" are statistical noise.
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Scientifically speaking this is bullshit.
Especially for ocean. What did you thjink captains wrote into the log books every day? Mostly how the weather was. And that included temperature. The English Empire did a lot of bad things, but their ship's captains did their duty around the world.
It may surprise you, but the Navy(ies) with all their sailships were quite interested in the weather, especially in predictions, for which you need accurate measurements.
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Scientifically speaking they didn't take a wide net of ocean temperatures outside of the shipping lanes.
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Scientifically speaking, the only bullshit being espoused here would be your posts.
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Yes, real science is bullshit, I know.
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I think you are miss using the phrase scientifically speaking. Just saying...
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"Recorded" is the key word. The thermometers being used are not reliable - being unsystematically placed and many frequently interrupted. Annual "global" temperatures haven't been recorded for very long. The hottest temperatures recorded of past times during the lifetime of homo sapiens were much hotter. Climate science generally remains in its infancy with basic principles and laws still being hammered out to this day.
Obviously climatic changes are not on the whole good for present human society and two years of supposed global cooling is nothing in earth cycles. A point to add here is that the ocean in the southern hemisphere may have cooled much more than the northern hemisphere warmed but that does not show that everywhere is cooling.
What I mean to say is that nobody really understands climate change yet. If we believed the doomsaying, like the 2012 UN memorandum, then the human world would already be in meltdown. Maybe in this prediction only, the climate models did not underestimate things.
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I don't know what "memorandum" you mean, but the IPCC thingies are all understatements, and if they are doomsaying, you may imagine what reality looks like then.
And in most cases the models do underestimate how far the change has already happened. The contrary - that the scientists estimates turn out to be less bad in reality - is the strange outlyer.
You know, this is not the sixties where the first deep studies came out. We are half a century later.
Temperature measurements in the late 1800s were accurate to one- or two-tenths of a degree Fahrenheit.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2000-05-28/news/0005280042_1_thermometers-readings-accurate
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Argue with him if you think that you know better about thermometers then he.
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I know the models have almost all hugely underestimated things, which is why I said, "Maybe in this prediction only, the climate models did not underestimate things," the implication being that most models did underestimate. The issue is the reliability of the science when the predictions based on the science are way off.
How long did it take to develop the science of thermodynamics for example? Fifty, sixty years is nothing. Though, to be more precise, I think climate science is beyond its infancy. Last month a method for measuring ocean temperatures was finally developed, and this is after all those decades of temperature measurements which we were pretending were accurate.
Now thermometer accuracy is not what I mean by accuracy here. I'm talking about how thermometers are not placed in any systematic way as to give a thoroughly comprehensive picture of temperature variations round the globe. If you had only one thermometer in the Gobi desert how useful from a scientific perspective is that? Or if you had a thousand in the Atlantic Ocean but none located on the ocean floor?
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Your points are valid, but I think you greatly overestimate them. Measurements are not the problem, it are the processes we still don't know about. THAT is the core of "underestimation".
But even that get's outnumbered by orders by the simple fact of how humans behave (or not).
For example I just read that somebody is producing the ozone layer destroying FCKWs again - somethign that did not happen for decades. Somewhere in east asia.
That is not predictable. (Yes, this is not climate change, but easy example.)
Also you forget that the scientists are making literally thousands of models, each with slight differences and often starting way in the past. The models that are closest to what we observe after they have run a few decades are likely to be the most exact for the future too, right?
I have been running those models on my home computers for a decade now through climateprediction.net I know a bit about that part ;)
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It's good of you to help with climate modeling.
I'm try not to be hyperbolic in stating how things stand. At this point in time, I would agree, the measurements have gotten sufficiently good - but only very recently - so that now the scientific understanding of what's going on remains the only big hurdle for climatology.
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The demo rats are probably leaving their stoves on all day after hearing this hahah Al Gore is busy doing this now:
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short bus.
how appropriate.
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Top Gear is so fucking awesome.
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They did a bad job at hiding this data lol!
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Ah man, I was hoping for a tropical vacation in northern Canada someday. Time to get the old greenhouse gas aerosol cans back out, we gotta warm this place back up! @ironshield
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People visit AntArctica. What not the Arctic. Getcher mucklucks and sled dawgs ready!
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It's not news to anyone who pays a heat bill.
Wouldn't you have to first accept the theory that US CO2 emissions control global temperatures?
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nope.
how many people have the first clue about the actual effect of CO2?
warning..math is hard.
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More facts, plant life thrives in CO2 and most in warmth.
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plants STARVE at CO2 levels not much below what it is now.
it plants die...everything else does too.
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it's too bad because it would be nice if we could warm things up.
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It's easy to cut the Co2 emissions for the U.S. They shipped all their factories to China.
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pssssst . . . .
Oct. 7, 2014
Antarctic Sea Ice Reaches New Record Maximum
in recorded history
Antarctic sea ice extent exceeded 7.72 million square miles (20 million square kilometers), according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center.
https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum
but psshhhhhhhhh - it´s all about carbon $$$TAX$$$ not global warming
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oddly enough..lotsa ice up north too.
weird huh?
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More or less like a joke:
I am sure the temperatures will drop even more when Bitcoin will give up on PoW
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And most of crypto mining is rapidly moving to only use readily available renewables...
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How come no one is saying anything, after all the noise of global warming... SMH
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$$$$$
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hmmmmmmmmm
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Shhhhh... Don't let them hear you, it'll drive them crazy
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Nice post sir.
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Sir please see my post
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I would hope other countries follow our lead in cutting down CO2 unfortunately that wont happen and we all breath the same air.
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Hold your breath.
when YOU breath you emit CO2
why are YOU are harming the environment?
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Read the article attached to the first comment on this post...
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These days, climate are changing more faster than my age.
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getting colder?
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Hotter, in our country.
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sure.
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Read the article I attached in the first comment.
Also, your comment is an example of what I call Observation Bias, meaning people only know what they observe in their life, where they live or visit. Then they take this single data point of observation and generalize/project it across all space and time. Very small view and arrogant in a way to think that truth is only what we conclude from our own experience or observance.
Check out this graph below. Do you think temperature changes on our planet?
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I said, from my own experience. I never said, it was on behalf of the world. If you misunderstood my comment, that would be my fault. I should have explain it better. And don't take it personally..
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nice information...
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