Do you think bid bots should accept payment to give downvotes (flags) as well as upvotes?
I was thinking that the whole ecosystem here may benefit if people were able to buy flags as well as upvotes. This could make it easier to balance out perceived abuse and give everyone, especially the anti-abuse communities more say in what they see as being acceptable and what isn't.
Your thoughts and votes please :-)
- Yes
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Big flagging wars would break out...
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dpoll running so slowly lately, I'm just going to say, yes... that would be great.
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Idea is good but hard to implement for practical reasons.
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I think we could work out at least a financial incentive with SFR on flags against abuse at least but retaliation is a valid concern. 🤔
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You pre-empted my next question as I was going to ask you anyway! So please, why is it harder to implement than an upvote? Just the maths or more complex coding reasons ?
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not a technical challenge but in practice, what happens if I pay the bot owner to flag a whale? The whale will strike back. Same thing with orcas, dolphins, etc.
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That's possible but I would have hoped that wouldn't happen to the bot owners as many of them are big bot users anyway and a ban would stop that.....I would bring a whole new dynamic to Steem and for us little fellas, might be fun to watch ;-)
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People are gonna abuse that in a huge percentage. There are steemcleaners and steemflagrewards for this. 😃
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Actually, I was thinking we could devise a system with @steemflagrewards to help provide an incentive for downvotes purchased against abuse. My answer outlines a bit of the particulars.
It had been discussed in the past for @bid.bot which had been discontinued. They actually offered downvotes but stopped after a time. (Possibly due to retaliatory flags.)
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Yes, but there needs to be a financial incentive for the user.
Maybe, @steemflagrewards could devise a system by which the downvote bidder can be rewarded by commenting, providing proof-of-bid such as transaction hash, and abuse category to be reviewed and approved by a moderator.
Think that it is a great idea and would be happy to work with abuse fighting or supporting bid bot owners such as @themarkymark or @therealwolf to implement such a system.
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In the spirit of laissez-faire economics I vote a resounding yes.. I see no issues with two way streets..
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Hi, you're the first person to vote 'no'. May I ask why you think its a bad idea?
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I'm not in favor of bidbots or flags, so I'm not in favor of giving either more power, which is what would happen if users could buy flags.
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Consider this. If we could properly incentivize downvote bids against abuse, it would put quite a damper on users using bid bots for that purpose.
The most effective deterrent is for the abuse bidder to lose 💰. Flags have helped make that happen on numerous occasion.
If I may ask, why are you against flagging in general?
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Hey, @anthonyadvavisii.
re: against flagging
In general, I think they do more harm than good. While it's intended to act as a deterrent of some kind, it feels more like pirates stealing from a cargo hold, even if the cargo is ill gotten gains.
Everything here is subjective. What constitutes original quality content is subjective, unless it's obvious spam/plagiarism. Otherwise, everyone has in their head what may or may not be permissible, even though some individual or groups may try to enforce their preferences on everyone else.
re: abuse bidders
What constitutes abuse bidding? 25 SBD/STEEM spent on every post? More? Less? I haven't seen anyone define this or try to even set a limit.
So, flagging ends up becoming a way for the big accounts to throw their weight around, and the rest of us are just supposed to sit there and let it happen, because, really, there's not a whole lot we can do about it, anyway. Might makes right.
On any given post, one large account can undo what 500 smaller accounts built up, with basically no risk to the large account, unless another large account comes along. Which means large accounts end up fighting battles the little accounts can't fight for themselves.
And ultimately, all this fighting ends up with collateral damage. Not everyone caught in the crossfire is an innocent, but quite a few are. It doesn't take long for reputations to be smashed to the point of not being able to function on the platform. I've seen that happen more than I've seen flagging be an effective deterrent to bidbot abuse, however that is defined.
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