Dear Steem Community, could a decentralized community regulated account be the next step needed towards a better Steem?

therealwolf (75) · 6 years ago

Voted for Yes.

However, I'd much rather have an interface for all of what.

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4 votes

hr1 (59) · 6 years ago (edited)

I agree it would be better to do it via an interface. I don't see a reason for a central account for that.

One way how to do this would be to use a special tag for this kind of important posts. Then any interface could be used to view these and anyone could post there - that's the most decentralized way. But probably not very practical as there would definitely be people abusing this tag for increased visibility.

To fix that you need somebody who will decide what to show and what not. We could have a community manager for that, or to be as decentralized as possible, a committee. This committee could then mark each important post via a special comment. It would then be up to the interfaces to make a special section where these important posts would be shown.

We could do this on Steeve and I'm sure it wouldn't be too difficult for others as well.

@thereawolf @soyrosa @llfarms what do you think about that?

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6 votes

starkerz (65) · 6 years ago (edited)

Yes! This is a genius idea @hr1!!!! we have a curation guild that uses the exact tech to solve this problem. we have 67 elected ambassadors. The guild only votes if any 3 of them curates a piece of content on a particular tag (this is the #promo-steem tag and the guild is called CAMPUS and votes from the account @steem-amabssador. It was conceptualized by @oracle-d and built by @anarcotech. I am sure with some small mods we can implement for this idea above.

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soyrosa (74) · 6 years ago

Awesome @starkerz, I‘ve been doing this in a simple format for @c-squared (Dutch community) - They also only vote on a piece if more than 1 person says ‘yes’ - since curating multiple languages is hard to do otherwise.

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starkerz (65) · 6 years ago

we automated this with CAMPUS over a year ago. lets chat and maybe this method could help you out a lot and save you and you community a lot f time!
Depending on how many 'oracles' you have and what the vote threshold is of the curating you can be as centralized or decentralized as you like. if you have a large threshold and a lot of oracles, you effectively put money printing directly into the hands of the community itself!

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soyrosa (74) · 6 years ago (edited)

Yesss!!! Thanks! Would love to learn how you’ve been doing all of this, we’ll chat.

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hr1 (59) · 6 years ago

Cool that you have this working already!

The only thing - I proposed to use a special comment instead of just vote so that the committee members can still vote as they please without interfering.

But the important message is - if we agree on the rules, then any interface can monitor these public blockchain events, be it votes or special comments, and show what was agreed on.

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starkerz (65) · 6 years ago

Interesting! Also it will help make sure the best ideas are given exposure based on the comments of people who have a vested interest... sounds like a very useful feature for the steem blockchain

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soyrosa (74) · 6 years ago

Ah see?! This is why I wrote the post, sometimes what is needed is not 'that much', but can be done with a minimal amount of developing.

This sounds very 'doable' and is indeed very decentralized.
(I would love it if we could use tags and have the post actually stay visible even after the 7 day treshold in this case).
Posts should be shown without/regardless of post rewards/value
A curation group of people for 'the special' tag would be needed, but only to weed out what is clearly spam.
We'd have one URL/pointer for all the 'important' posts

Thanks, I'm going to think on this more - you really made me see a different route, very much appreciated.

llfarms (68) · 6 years ago

Wow, this is a really great idea and makes it as decentralized as possible. I love it @hr1!

I’m curious how it would work exaclty to ensure users are seeing the “announcement” type posts, as they would have to actually go to the tag feed on the interface for it to be seen rather than an account they follow just showing up in their feed. I’m sure there is an easy solution to that though.

I’d love to see this happen personally!

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3 votes

soyrosa (74) · 6 years ago

Could be as simple as the pinned post feature on Steemit.com :-) I’m starting to see the ‘shape’ of this.

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hr1 (59) · 6 years ago

It depends on the quantity of such posts. If there is only 1 important post at a time, then pinning could be used, as suggested by @soyrosa. Or if there are more important posts, but not too many - let's say 1 a day, then we can show it as our top recommendation. In case there are more than that, I think the best would be to really keep them in a special section.

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llfarms (68) · 6 years ago

Oh that would be amazing! Maybe that’s where something like this would lead. That does make it a bit centralized but it could be designed in a way (just like this account is described) could be ran by many people and open to the public. Love the idea Wolf!

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soyrosa (74) · 6 years ago

Thanks for voting! Do you have any ideas how an interface like that would/should look like?

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soyrosa (74) · 6 years ago

(In my view, such an interface could become awesome if we experiment first, build later. To see what we need and first use the tools we have to really understand what's working and what's missing.)

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nyra1981 (25) · 6 years ago

Awesome idea i will vote later

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steevebot (52) · 6 years ago

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riverflows (72) · 6 years ago

Voted for Yes.

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starkerz (65) · 6 years ago

Voted for Yes.

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dr-frankenstein (67) · 6 years ago (edited)

Voted for No.

Decentralized community regulated account

There is a contradiction here. I think we have enough so-called 'community initiatives' that are just now abusing their power in so many ways because, at the end of the day, the one who controls the key is the one who controls the flux of information.

everything posted on the account should be with ‘a better Steem’ in mind

I think no one should be entitled to define what is right or not, this idea implies the possibility of censorship.

I also think that we can't centralize that much power and decision-making process, in just one account. People will abuse that power eventually, As they already do by using some bureaucratic-like-abuse strategies. We need to be realistic.

I am with the idea presented by @therealwolf, I prefer an interface/platform where everyone can publish his ideas, publicly or anonymously. If built in the right way, the interface/platform should offer most of the things that you suggested, but in a non-centralized-way.

If the whole idea is going to involve money, then this is just a waste of time.

Thank you, @soyrosa.

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3 votes

soyrosa (74) · 6 years ago

Thanks for voting and adding your notes @dr-frankenstein!

at the end of the day, the one who controls the key is the one who controls the flux of information.

I understand your worries, a way to lower these risks could be to share the account keys with a selection of trusted Steemians selected by the community. Would that help in your opinion?

I think no one should be entitled to define what is right or not, this idea implies the possibility of censorship.

Here I didn't mean to imply any kind of bias/selection, if someone believes his/her idea would help Steem it should be presented to the community in my view.

I prefer an interface/platform where everyone can publish his ideas, publicly or anonymously.

I'd love this too but I also believe technology should follow experimentation/observation of human behaviour. The idea presented in my post could serve as a first draft/playing ground from where we can start to really understand how this interface should work and look like.

Thanks again for your input! :-)

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wehmoen (68) · 6 years ago (edited)

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crescendoofpeace (63) · 6 years ago

Good first step.

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soyrosa (74) · 6 years ago

Is there a way/Is there a tool to do this as far as you know @wehmoen?

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steem.ninja (66) · 6 years ago

I guess there are more tools. Have seen some recently.

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soyrosa (74) · 6 years ago

I guess this is now possible @wehmoen, thanks to @crokkon (post) via @timcliff's bounty :D

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emrebeyler (74) · 6 years ago

Voted for Yes.

isnochys (66) · 6 years ago

Voted for Yes.

Thanks for using dpoll!

soyrosa (74) · 6 years ago

It worked great! Really happy I could use it to collect this vote instead of counting comments or guessing if the contents of a comment meant 'yes' or 'no' :-)

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newageinv (70) · 6 years ago

Voted for Yes.

I would prefer it to be a forum like interface so that we can all engage and discuss as we often do during the SOS forums on Discord. I believe I saw @therealwolf develop something like this so the wheel may be already invented.

thatkidsblack (66) · 6 years ago

Voted for Yes.

It seems quite practical, and I currently have no qualms about the formation of such a thing. I wonder if in hindsight, that will hold. If anything, it seems like the right move especially with the amount of activism for Steemit we rally on our own. If we aimed our efforts at this idea, I think the implications are indeed favorable.

freebornangel (73) · 6 years ago

Voted for Yes.

@pennsif is doing this now.

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soyrosa (74) · 6 years ago

Yes, @pennsif seems pretty much tireless when it comes to giving is daily updates and doing his radio shows and Forums <3

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sorin.cristescu (71) · 6 years ago

Voted for Yes.

Goes in the right direction. However, I feel a shared understanding of what "a better steem" means is a prerequisite

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soyrosa (74) · 6 years ago

Thanks for voting @sorin.cristescu! That shared understanding could very well be the first thing being discussed before we start doing anything else.

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revan746 (69) · 6 years ago

Voted for Yes.

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crypto-simple (44) · 6 years ago

I like that you made a poll on this concerning topic, I voted "No" because I hate any type of central authority trying to control this ecosystem, it just goes against the idea of a decentralised platform, thats my opinion, let me know yours
Lee Kim Sung
South Korea

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abh12345 (76) · 6 years ago

Voted for Yes.

This sounds good to me. @steemitblog I think was long seen as the place for the Steem info, I think we can do better :)

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anomadsoul (77) · 6 years ago (edited)

Done

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soyrosa (74) · 6 years ago

Thanks for your answer! It would be helpful if you could vote through the poll-link so it will show in the final count!

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soyrosa (74) · 6 years ago

You rock :D

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anomadsoul (77) · 6 years ago

Voted for Yes.

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bigtom13 (64) · 6 years ago

Voted for Yes.

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bigtom13 (64) · 6 years ago

Soyrosa, you rock. I love the way you laid this out and thought it through.

I am at the point/position where I think EVERYTHING should be on the table. I have concerns about handling everything through a single account and about Stake Weighted Voting on said account. I'd just hate to see the hovering flag monsters voting with flags.

Does that mean I wouldn't support this initiative? Not even a little bit. I believe that it could be an absolutely great entity and it may well be the best option we have. I think it should be done!

Thanks Soyrosa. I just love that people are taking matters into their hands where matters have really always belonged.

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soyrosa (74) · 6 years ago

Thanks @bigtom13 :-) Yes, flags are a concern, but only for visibility of the post, and people would know how to reveal/read all the information still. I'd personally love to see many opposing ideas on the account :-)

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abbak7 (68) · 6 years ago

Voted for Yes.

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llfarms (68) · 6 years ago

Voted for Yes.

Looks like a great idea!

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partiko (66) · 6 years ago

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veryspider (68) · 6 years ago

Yes!

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soyrosa (74) · 6 years ago

Thanks for your answer! It would be helpful if you could vote through the poll-link so it will show in the final count!

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veryspider (68) · 6 years ago

Just did ! Sorry I was too eagerbeaver XD Replied first cuz I loves the idea :D :D :D

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soyrosa (74) · 6 years ago

Hahaha - I love your enthusiasm! <3

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c-squared (60) · 6 years ago

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veryspider (68) · 6 years ago

Voted for Yes.

Great post ! Very thoughtful and I believe it has a lot of potentials to make Steemit a better and leaner but more organized place :) Thanks for your wonderful ideas !!!

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onnovocks (49) · 6 years ago

Voted yes and I hope this idea can be made to work. We can't get 20 people to agree, let alone 20,000, but if we don't try we'll never know.

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soyrosa (74) · 6 years ago

Thanks for your answer! It would be helpful if you could vote through the poll-link so it will show in the final count!

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ura-soul (75) · 6 years ago

I am not clear on how we can have centralised and decentralised simultaneously in a meaningful way. I actually don't think it's possible.
I can see the upside of using the Steem blockchain for such things, but Steem is not optimised for information management and project management - it is a bit unevolved in that sense. You can decline payments on posts and then have each contributor receive upvotes for their contribution (via their comment), so that would work ok in that sense.... However, I think that a purpose built application like asana.com would probably achieve most goals more effectively, since it is built to facilitate team management, goal setting and sharing etc.

As I mentioned to @starkerz earlier, one way to get around the problem of centralisation of Discord servers is to have a variety of Discord servers available that are rotated and chosen via a random number selection from the 'magic dice' app. - This does seem a bit cumbersome to me though, it's best to keep things as simple as possible.

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soyrosa (74) · 6 years ago

Thanks for sharing your input @ura-soul!

We don't have a great tool yet, indeed, and that's a huge challenge for now. I wouldn't want that to hold us from experimenting though, from which we can learn what we actually need in order to maybe have that build in the future.

have each contributor receive upvotes for their contribution (via their comment)

I think we should use the account to share ideas and get input and votes (yes/no, not upvotes), but maybe I'm not understanding this part of your comment correctly?

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ura-soul (75) · 6 years ago

I am just suggesting you check out asana.com ;)
The commenting comment was in reference to you saying that the main posts would decline payouts. You said that maybe people would want payouts and I suggested that since people can be upvoted on their comments anyway that basically you can just continue to decline payouts.

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soyrosa (74) · 6 years ago

Ah, right, I was thinking 'Steem interface', you suggest using asana.com itself. I don't think any third party app is a solution except maybe for specific working groups that want a way to plan their project, but what I'm thinking about is all the stuff that happens before you form a working group: propose ideas, gather input on the ideas, vote on which proposal works best/should be prioritized...

(Not sure where I said people would want payouts, but it's after 1AM here, I need to go sleep first and will get back to you tomorrow :D)

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ura-soul (75) · 6 years ago

No worries. Asana can be used to track issues and is effectively a forum that allows a greater degree of information management than steem does - that's all.

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wehmoen (68) · 6 years ago (edited)

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aggroed (78) · 6 years ago

I have a tool that we could use to set this up. It’s the same one minnowsupport made.

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soyrosa (74) · 6 years ago

I like tools! Do you have a link/example that we can check out?

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mindtrap (74) · 6 years ago

Voted for Yes.

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steemonboarding (68) · 6 years ago

Voted for Yes.

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carlgnash (69) · 6 years ago

This sounds great in theory but in practice I can't see how this could ever work. Pie in the sky. If only there was a development in the works to actually allow moderated community accounts / communities on Steem blockchain... oh wait... whatever happened to communities LOL Did that get dropped by Stinc when they laid off everyone and chose to focus on SMTs?

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soyrosa (74) · 6 years ago

Hey @carlgnash, I believe the order of importance for Steemit, Inc right now is 'lower costs of running nodes (RocksDB), then SMT-Lite, and 'communities' (Hiveminds) does not seem to have priority right now.

That's why I think we should start ourselves, and of course when better options are available move to that ASAP.

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anomadsoul (77) · 6 years ago

There's no communities feature developed by Steemit Inc so we better just sit still and do nothing in the meantime. That's your point or am I missing it?

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carlgnash (69) · 6 years ago (edited)

no it was an honest question - I take it from your answer that the communities feature has indeed been dropped from the roadmap. Which is too bad, seemed like it served a much more pressing need than SMTs in my opinion

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dr-frankenstein (67) · 6 years ago (edited)

This sounds great in theory but in practice, I can't see how this could ever work.

I agree, maybe we should instead try to push, as a community, for the development of "communities features" instead.

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harryp3 (57) · 6 years ago

Voted for Yes.

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ipeaches (25) · 6 years ago

Voted for Yes.

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intrepidphotos (75) · 6 years ago (edited)

Yes indeed. Even better if Steemit could transfer their holdings over to it; but fat chance of that happening.

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soyrosa (74) · 6 years ago

Thanks for your answer! It would be helpful if you could vote through the poll-link so it will show in the final count!

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intrepidphotos (75) · 6 years ago

I don't like DPoll as it requires my active key to vote. Yes I know its via steemconect but I dont see why it requires the owner or active key.

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soyrosa (74) · 6 years ago

Noted! Thanks :-)

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timothyallen (70) · 6 years ago

Voted for Yes.

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cst90 (56) · 6 years ago

Voted for Yes.

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pacific-yt (62) · 6 years ago

Voted for Yes.

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onthewayout (59) · 6 years ago

Voted for No.

I much better solution would be to develop an interface where all Steem related issues and proposals could be discussed and voted on. Better yet would be to allocate a portion of the inflation for proposals that could be voted on by stakeholders (like the ones that Bitshares and Dash have).

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soyrosa (74) · 6 years ago

Thanks for voting! Yes, a dedicated interface would be the dream. But I also believe an interface should follow experimentation/observing human behaviour, and waiting for someone to build an interface would mean we lose a lot of time in which we can already make stuff happen.

Better yet would be to allocate a portion of the inflation for proposals that could be voted on by stakeholders (like the ones that Bitshares and Dash have).

Exactly ideas like this could have in my view such huge impact that we would want them to be proposed to and discussed/voted by the community.

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michealb (66) · 6 years ago

Voted for Yes.

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lordbutterfly (70) · 6 years ago

Voted for Yes.

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lordbutterfly (70) · 6 years ago

Sure. Why not.

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nokodemion (59) · 6 years ago (edited)

I think we should have Identity Access Management, Identity as a service.

That's the missing link going forward.

Ohh and I vote YES!

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nokodemion (59) · 6 years ago

Voted for Yes.

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oclinton (49) · 6 years ago

Voted for Yes.

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farizal (64) · 6 years ago

Voted for Yes.

I am with the majority.

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rem-steem (74) · 6 years ago

Voted for Yes.

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akomoajong (66) · 6 years ago

Voted for No.

All these looks perfect and eye catching on paper but there will always be politics everywhere and people taking advantage of this to benefit/make a name for themselves.

Can this account or initiative bear to be unbias and have no central party to control it like you mentioned?, Easy to say!

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imacryptorick (61) · 6 years ago

Voted for Yes.

Although I don't think we should decline payouts, because we could really use the funds to fund worker proposals.
About decentralisation, if someone can varify that a bunch users aren't the same person, we can reach peak decentralisation. Maybe a video chat to ensure that no cluster of accounts are running by the same person?

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anttn (66) · 6 years ago

Voted for Yes.

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fingersik (66) · 6 years ago

Voted for No.

I love the idea BUT an ACCOUNT is a really shitty form of execution. We truly need what you have just outlined if we want to start executing effectively as a decentralized community.

But an account is shitty for multiple reasons. I dont have time to break that down (for it would be article-long reply)...instead im going to implement my reaction to this poll to my overall steem feedback/vision arrticle that i plan to create when i finish the examination period on our university...as of now i vote no (for lack of better answers that would suit my needs)

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soyrosa (74) · 6 years ago

Thanks for voting!

An account is certainly not perfect, but until something better is being developed (like a dedicated interface) I wouldn't mind having a manual 'solution'. I'm very curious about your proposed vision! Good luck on your exams <3

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fingersik (66) · 6 years ago

Totally agreed...I have been feeling the importance of similar project for long but unfortunately didn’t have time to give it a thought or 5. I gotta change that asap...

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sereze (63) · 6 years ago

Voted for Yes.

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gniksivart (67) · 6 years ago (edited)

Voted for Yes.

It should be considered that posts wouldn't decline payouts. I think the posts payouts could be used in 2 manners.

As an incentive to keep the content and account up to date. Those who worked on the account could split the liquid rewards from posts.
Would be nice if the account could be used to delegate or help fund some of the approved proposals.

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daan (68) · 6 years ago

Voted for No.

I completely agree with @dr-frankenstein
He explained it better than I ever could.

Do we need a central, decentralized, community regulated Steem account?

The contradiction is in the title. Not a jab at you @soyrosa, I agree completely with your goals, just not the method you've presented here. Doing this via a publicly accessible interface would be a better idea.

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soyrosa (74) · 6 years ago

Thanks for voting! :-) Not taking anything personally, if I didn’t think I needed feedback I wouldn’t have asked the community first.

As said a few times before: an interface would be my ideal too. But as a behavioural scientist with work experience in behavioural apps I know these things only/most likely succeed after experimentation since most apps fail without it. A manual way to organize could serve exactly that purpose.

Any ideas how we could do something now before we lose momentum while waiting for an unknown someone to build an interface are welcome (not directed solely to you by the way :D)

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daan (68) · 6 years ago

Any ideas how we could do something now before we lose momentum while waiting for an unknown someone to build an interface are welcome (not directed solely to you by the way :D)

Isn't this what the SoS Discord is for? I actually had no idea that they had a dedicated Discord, just joined it.

Alternatively, we can always start a Fundition campaign to fund the development of an interface.

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llfarms (68) · 6 years ago (edited)

Having all information only on a discord server can get a bit tricky maybe.. or even if there was a “Steemitblog” style account more of the community could find the discord, or even know it exists. Having a place to announce things, keep users informed and share ideas that is actually on the blockchain seems like a good compliment to the discord idea.

Having the account ran by many, maybe from all different areas or even something where many can post without even having the keys etc makes sure the community is represented in my eyes. It also ensures it’s about the community and not the people behind the account.

I think the idea of having a place for the community to communicate with each other is a given, the how is where it gets tricky. I mean, how do you organize to help get things done while being decentralized? It contradicts itself, but then again.. nothing gets done without a bit of organization.

So I guess we figure out, as a community, how to make this happen in the best way we can. Interface would be amazing, a simple account is a way to start until we get there. The important part is to work together and not let the idea of some sort of “power” get in the way of what is best for the community.. which I think is the toughest part. Maybe a neutral place and account is a way to try to remove that aspect, again the “how” needs to be figured out though.

I for one am glad the community is even being asked what they think though, as that hasn’t happened until this post. It starts a much needed conversation and I hope it continues on the forum tomorrow.

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bluerobo (61) · 6 years ago

Voted for Yes.

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deathcross (77) · 6 years ago

Voted for No.

That's not a poll, too long now for me.

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hafizullah (82) · 6 years ago

Voted for Yes.

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steemmatt (69) · 6 years ago

*I vote "yes" to the question you didn't ask regarding if I think that you are rising up as a great leader here.

*I generally vote "yes" on this initiative. I'm not going to use the poll as I get a little shy about using Steemconnect unless absolutely necessary. I think far more good than harm can happen from this. The only concern I'd have is politics on controlling this account. People can vote for those to lead it, but that process could still be heavily biased. Perhaps if access was granted on a rolling basis to a trusted series of people versus a fixed few, it'd feel more decentralized.

Great idea, initiative, vision and forward thinking otherwise!

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soyrosa (74) · 6 years ago

Thanks @steemmatt! I believe everyone is a leader, even wrote a big post about that at some point. It's just a matter of taking initiatives - everyone leads 'someone'. Thanks for the nice words :-)

I hear your points regarding who 'owns' and controls the account. I just learned we can do 'multi-sig' now so nothing can be done without at least a certain threshold of people signing it. But this would be amazing if we could work that way in the future:

Perhaps if access was granted on a rolling basis to a trusted series of people versus a fixed few, it'd feel more decentralized.

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sabih (49) · 6 years ago

The real positive thing at anything decentralized is the lack of controlling. Just let it go. Remove the flag function and everything is going to be fine.

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traveller7761 (41) · 6 years ago

Voted for Yes.

I voted with yes, bcause of the direction you're aiming at. It would be better to have collective decision making and central accounts only for the funding of development, marketing etc.
Everything else would leed to centralisation of opinion making, reducing the creative power of crowd-based problem solving. So maybe, I should have voted "no"?

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soyrosa (74) · 6 years ago

Thanks for voting! A yes/no is very unfair, but wanted to get 'some' idea of the 'feeling' within the community. If I read back I hear most say Yes and almost all have a 'but'... That's the beauty of a diverse community. What do you see as falling under 'everything else'? I'd love to hear your thoughts, I'm learning with every reply. Cheers!

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traveller7761 (41) · 6 years ago

How would community regulation work? Please have a look at this go for decentralised strategy building, which is just active: https://busy.org/@impactn/where-to-go-setting-up-a-strategy-for-the-future-of-steem-test-stage-1
Would this be a method of decision-making for a decentralised account?

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vimukthi (72) · 6 years ago

Voted for Yes.

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crypto-futurist (50) · 6 years ago

Voted for Yes.

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misslasvegas (71) · 6 years ago

Voted for Yes.

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