When is a college degree really necessary?
When I was growing up, a college degree was generally considered a necessity for a successful and financially-rewarding career. It was common knowledge that the best way to make one's way in life was to finish school, attend college, get a degree, and start a career. Higher education was presented as the path to prosperity.
Now, I am no longer certain of this. While there are certain careers that almost necessitate formal education and some form of accredititation for such educators, I think we are seeing a bubble in the education industry - and it is an industry - that is on the verge of collapse. The cost of college has outpaced inflation due to many factors, including a demand that grows faster than the capacity to supply the service, and government subsidies that support increased costs. Meanwhile, the reward for a degree has been adversely affected by the economic instability of the past decade and a half while increased degree holders are competing for the same positions in overcrowded job markets.
I have two Associates degrees. I graduated in 2005 with a degree in architectural drafting just a few years before the local construction market collapsed completely. I later also gained a degree in mechanical drafting and design, but due to various factors, have not gained employment from it. These factors include health issues, car issues, and the simple fact that I like my current library work. I paid my way up front, and have no debt from these degrees. I do not regret the time and effort, either. But I do think it serves as two personal examples of factors one ought to consider before even going to a basic trade school, much less pursuing a doctorate degree.
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When to get a degree
I don't have a very simple explanation for when you should get a degree from an accredited college or a reputable trade school, but I can think of some easy examples.
Medicine
If you want to work in nursing, become a physician, or be a veterinarian, a degree is essential. These are high-stakes disciplines, and rigorous preparation is necessary. Even if you just want to become, say, a massage therapist, a good education from a reputable clinical massage training institute means you will learn anatomy, business ethics, and many other essential skills you wouldn't even think about otherwise.
Engineering
Whether pondering structural, chemical, mechanical, or any other branch of engineering, a degree is a must. Lives are on the line just as much as in medicine. Much as I like Khan Academy, I would advise a classroom education in applied calculus, statistics, and other higher mathematics. Chemical properties, material strengths, and other subjects are best studied in a proper laboratory environment under qualified supervision and guidance.
Education
You don't need a degree to home-school your kids, but if you want to teach in an official classroom setting at any level, you need to be taught properly yourself in order to handle the many complicated aspects of administering an education to others. I will say, however, that a library science degree probably isn't necessary to manage a small-town library. [/oblique allusions to workplace politics observations]
When to not bother with a degree
Entrepreneurial Prospects
If you're eager to be an entrepreneur, taking time for a college education may impede your progress rather than promote your goals. You may be better served studying independently. The internet has made many traditional education programs obsolete.
Skilled Trades
If you want a career as a tradesman, an apprenticeship may be a better option. Blue-collar jobs are nothing to look down upon, and those with a knack for making or repairing things are always in high demand. Welders, auto mechanics, plumbers, millwrights, electricians, and many others may not even need to attend a vocational school, although this may still be beneficial.
Creative Pursuits
The modern fine art world appears to have become an insular clique of insiders engaging in pompous yet empty self-aggrandizement. You need a degree AND connections to get anywhere there. Fortunately, thanks to the internet, opportunities for independent artists have ballooned. Steemit, Etsy stores, and more make it possible to earn a living by producing things the public actually likes, while the art snobs preen over their garbage and beg for grant money or try to con the wealthy. If you disagree with my contemptuous assessment of the fine art community, by the way, feel free to comment below.
Between Steemit and the opportunity afforded by e-books through Amazon.com and other services, not to mention print-on-demand companies like lulu.com, writers have new opportunities. This also means you need to work hard to rise above the rest, though, so get an editor who will work with you to make sure your writings are clear and concise. Practice incessantly, and read a lot in order to build an almost intuitive understanding of good prose or poetry. Instinct needs to be honed, and skills need to be learned and applied. It's hard work, but you can succeed if that is where you want to apply yourself.
Service jobs
In addition to these examples, many service jobs really require almost no specialized education, so explore your options. Even if you don't want to work long-term in retail or restaurants, it can be both a paycheck and a beneficial experience in ways you won't comprehend until much later in life.
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What to do when considering your future
Explore your interests and personal strengths honestly. Ask to shadow someone on the job if you are considering their field. Ask questions. Find out what someone found helpful in formal education, and what they learned on their own. See if the job is what you imagined, or completely different from what you expected. Never allow yourself to be pressured into making a decision before you are ready when it comes to your time and money.
On the other hand, as technology grows by leaps and bounds, new opportunities may arise, and an astute individual can jump in on something new to get started on the ground floor. This happened with early computers, the start of the internet, and now with the rise of blockchain technology. There is extreme risk, but also opportunity for extreme reward. Only you can know when you need to dive in and get started.
A note on accreditation: on one hand, there is a definite value to having a third party verify the education provided by an institution satisfies a set of establish standards. On the other hand, there is a real danger of a de facto cartel system arising, and I believe that is what we now face. Education is a racket. But this does not necessarily negate the benefits, so be wary of non-accredited institutions. Apply due diligence to the educational syllabus and investigate the job placement records of any educational institution, accredited or not. Don't be afraid to be nosy and obnoxious when your life is at stake.
If this has been helpful, please comment! If it has been more of an if-by-whiskey speech, let me know about that, too. Never forget that the most important tool for any kind of education is a curious mind paired with the drive to learn. If you cultivate that, success by whatever definition you choose is much more probable. It may sound pithy, but never forget that learning is a lifelong pursuit.
College degree isn't what it used to be. I graduated over 20 years ago with about $30,000 in student loans to pay off. Same degree today would probably leave me with over $200,000 in loans. That's just for four years. Tough hole to dig out of if you have trouble finding a decent job.
With all the opportunities the internet provides us, I would strongly advise someone to research what a degree really means for their chosen career. College can be a great experience, but the costs are seriously prohibitive these days.
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There's a big difference for students who are getting a degree for a specific purpose, and students getting a degree because they feel like it's an obligation. The former have a completely different attitude toward the process of learning, and are far more likely to benefit. Still, I would advise them to consider non-college options as outlets for their drive to learn.
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It makes no sense to go to college with no particular goal in mind. I went to college and have no regrets but I also knew what I wanted to do. The drive to learn isn't even the most important reason to go to college but it is a necessary prerequisite. The reason to go to college is that it will help you get a job. If it isn't going to do that then there are far less expensive and potentially better ways to learn. However, employers in many career fields are going to be looking for that degree before hiring you.
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A four year degree at a state college can be had for as little as $17,000 (give or take...at least in Florida). State universities are going to be a little more and this doesn't cover living expenses if you are going to be far from home or otherwise living on your own but it certainly isn't necessary to go 200k in debt. College certainly isn't the only way to learn something but it is often the only reasonable way to demonstrate some sort of qualification with 0 experience.
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School is not a place to get educated or even trained. The distinction between learning skills and being educated has been blurred to the point making the whole institution of schooling absurd. Ivan Illich called it the international caste system.
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You can certainly learn skills via a college education. I did. But it's also true that, depending on your choices, you can go to college for four years or more and not learn a single skill.
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Yes you can of course, but that doesn't mean it's optimal. The reason it's pursued is because all people care about is "getting a job" which needs the stamp of approval. It's exactly like you can learn about God attending church but doesn't mean you will find salvation if you do. Skills were traditionally learned through training programs or apprenticeships, college was reserved solely for liberal education. Now most of pedagogy and instructors see this as the same thing along with the majority of students. I think you can learn more outside of school then you can in them and at a quicker time period perhaps and definitely cheaper.
Some people will argue that you can't do medicine or certain licensed fields without the credential. But medicine is another racket in itself that doesn't promote healthcare. To practice law you also need a credential but that is just creature of the State; doesn't have anything to do with justice. Being a teacher you need a license though that's just essentially a glamorized day care system with horrible practices. It seems that the fields that require credentials are frankly useless and damaging.
Also, it creates a mindset of authority and discrimination toward those who don't have any accreditations. Employers expect it and judge prospective employees based on them, and nobody even most employees really questions if that is legitimate thing to do. I have known plenty of programmers who were self-taught and even more technically minded than those who did computer science degrees. Some felt insecure that they didn't have a degree, although they were just as good or better than those that did but because of this caste system some of them couldn't do certain jobs because they didn't have the approval of the educational authorities.
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Almost anything can be learned on your own. Employers want some evidence that you have actually learned what they want you to know before hiring you. Currently, having a college education is often the best way to do this. Is it optimal? Probably not, but that doesn't mean it is worthless either. Going to college also doesn't prevent you from learning on your own. In fact, if you are doing that anyway then college should be relatively easy.
Universities, on average, may be very liberal but you won't necessarily see much of that if you are getting a technical degree. I didn't. The medical industry, like the education industry may not be optimal but that doesn't mean they are worthless.
At any rate, there are two separate arguments here. 1) Is a college degree the ideal way to train you for what you want to do and 2) Is a college degree a worthwhile investment in terms of employment opportunity. 1) Probably not but it can still be beneficial. 2) Depends on what you want to do and certainly not always but in very many cases, yes.
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Well said. The only thing I would add is that while a college degree may be worthwhile in terms of immediate employment opportunity, every year college degrees are becoming inflated. I don't see this situation lasting more than 10-20 years without some "educational crisis", so alternatives need to be thought about.
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Looking at tuition at the University I attended, it has slightly more than doubled since 1998. $1 in 1998 would be worth $1.50 today. So roughly speaking, tuition has about doubled inflation. This is bad but not as bad as some would suggest. I agree that it can't continue like that though. At any rate, tuition costs are at least in part a product of supply and demand. If the government stops subsidizing it, prices will go down. If fewer people pursue a college education, costs will go down. Personally, I think universities will adapt but I guess we will see.
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School's having been scamming us all along. They hinder creativity amongst students so they can be part of the rat race.
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The modern education system, especially for primary and secondary education, is built around treating kids like raw materials to be formed into factory products. Have you read anything by John Taylor Gatto?
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I haven't, what does he write about?
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Quite agree, I think that in many careers the university is not absolutely necessary, and in many others it is even an obstacle, although education is always necessary.
If you are in doubt about careers as delicate as medicine, you can see the historical example of the Kowloon Walled City, the small exclave of China in British Hong Kong, a territory that had no connection at all with the other side from China, so there was no government, no police, no law. Many doctors, medics, dentists, etc, operated there for decades without accreditation or degree.
Obviously this is not the example of perfection and not the way to follow, but it shows us how they could advance even in such delicate fields.
Education is always, absolutely always, important, but that does not mean that the only way to obtain it is through an institution.
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But as a practical matter, as things stand today, it is an absolute necessity to get a degree if you want to practice medicine and I don't think a better training mechanism exists today for that purpose (which isn't to say that it is ideal).
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I am quite pragmatic. I don't think that many people today would confide in a doctor without university endorsement, and neither would I in a stranger. The current system is based on distrusting individuals and trusting the institution, so it would be impossible.
But I am convinced that education is much more necessary than a university degree, and at some point not too far away, we will be able to do without them. And this does not mean eliminating universities, but on the contrary, giving them a merely educational meaning, in which no degree gives more opportunities to people, but rather education does.
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I quite agree that institutionalized education is not always a solution even for advanced areas of study.
Kowloon Walled City is a very peculiar thing, and I think it warrants more study as a proof that anarchism can provide services we consider government services today. Its rampant crime was doubtless in large part a consequence of black markets created by government prohibition rather than proof that absence of government results in chaos.
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I think anarchism, at least in any pure sense, is like any other utopian ideal. They tend to be more dystopian in practice. I could be wrong but I don't think anarchism scales well and it is vulnerable to non-anarchist societies in a number of ways.
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Anarchism isn't a Utopian ideal, but rather the recognition that society functions in spite of government rather than because of government. Government claims responsibility for society's successes while blaming liberty for governmental failures. After all, government is just a group of people who claim a territorial monopoly in violence, and monopolies invariably promote waste and abuse. The record of wars, police states, arbitrary prohibitions, confiscatory taxation, failed centrally-planned economies, and other disasters of recorded history all fall at the feet of governments, not liberty.
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I think wanting to implement a society with 0 government is a utopian ideal. I have no doubt society would function without a government but it doesn't mean most people would be better off. I agree with everything bad you say about government but it's easy to lay the blame for everything at the feet of government because in all of recorded history government has always been there (with a few very limited exceptions). However, the problem is with people and those problems won't go away just because you take away government. They will just take a different form. There will still be groups of people claiming territorial monopoly in violence or at least there's no reason to believe there won't be. I am not convinced that quality of life would generally be better if government just went away. Government has generally been reformed for the better throughout the ages. There's no particular reason to think that can't continue though it has certainly been a while.
Government has way too much power and I am all for reducing it at every possible turn. I just don't think the complete absence of government in the long run would ultimately be better.
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Ah to enter or not to enter the rat race!
I think in this day and age jobs just don’t last long enough that a 6-year degree will pay its self-back. I’m not sure if short-term certificates are the answer either.
I earned a 2-year degree in accounting back in 2013. Never found a job directly with it like I wanted. No one wanted to talk with me because I either 1. Lacked having any experience 2. I didn’t have a Bachelor’s degree in accounting. The only way for me to earn the ladder would have been taking on a massive chunk of debt. Then I would have the issue most people were quick to point out “no experience.” So I said no thanks it’s not worth the opportunity costs. Far too many of my friends at the time finishing their Bachelor’s degree where having to work multiple jobs and hated life (many still are.)
I thought I was going into such a massive field of jobs that hey where would be room for me. Automation was already in full swing further than I expected by the time I finished my 2-year degree. So many people were applying to “no experience or college degree required” entry-level jobs with 10 years of experience and CPA license I never stood a chance.
My personal viewpoint these days is if you can get an employer to pay for the education and it’s something they are willing to promote you for doing go for it! Otherwise, it’s a great risk. Things just change way to fast and everyone these days is over educated for the most basic tasks.
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I got my degree in Computer Science in 1998. Despite computer related fields being probably the most rapidly changing fields in existence, I would have had a very difficult time getting a decent paying job without that degree. Even with experience, employers like to see that degree on your resume and often list it as a requirement. Things aren't so different now in that regard. As far as the quality of the education, it was beneficial but it was also stuff that I could have learned on my own. However, a degree is more about having proof that you learned it (at least in theory). It isn't as if you need a piece of paper to prove to yourself you know something. As far as job stability, my first job lasted almost 11 years and my second is at 8 years and counting, both software engineering. I did get my master's degree paid for by my previous employer.
It's one thing to argue that the education system as it exists today is less than ideal but it is a different thing to argue that it is in someone's best interest not to participate. It depends what you want to do and for many professional careers a degree is very beneficial or an absolute requirement when it comes to actually getting a job.
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In my area short term certifications in networking can get you tech support jobs at the local call centers. The issue is everyone knows this so more people then needed rack up debt to try and get into the those call centers that hire anyone with the right certs and will on the job train them.
The issue is further compounded by the massive decrease in salary being paid. What they use to pay people 70k two years ago is now 40k-50k. Once these people are let go after about 1-2 years because they can hire much cheaper labor they are forced to relocate to bigger and more expensive cities. They then run into the issue of having to drive about 1 hour to be able to afford the cost of living while making if they are hired on as tier 2 supports 60-70k. They usually struggle to pay off their 1-2 years’ worth of certification costs as they were not expecting to have to relocate as soon. On top of that what employers use to pay for relocation is around half these days. Last I heard the last batch was mostly laid off after 6 months after relocating because they replaced them with cheaper labor.
Sure some know this and get promoted ahead of the curve knowing they are on borrowed time.
A degree in 1990’s it a lot different than one in the 2010’s. College costs are out of control and if you don’t have a contact to land you that first job it’s a very large risk to take. I have a few friends who went different route around the country from computer networking, nursing, and business administration. Also a few things I don’t know how they thought it would ever work out in the first place. Majority are behind on loan payments working multiple near minimum wage jobs with a family to support.
I myself am taking some classes in 2018 for something else. If I fail to acquire job in that related filed afterword’s in 6 months (companies these days focus on recent grads only)I’m fine with that as the debt will be almost non-existent. If it works out then I’ll be doing what any smart person does and that is have the employer pay part or full costs to work towards a master’s degree. Only if I manage to stay long enough to make it happen. Which I expect to require 7 promotions in 4 years with the possibly of having to relocate twice.
Is it worth it? Depends if you get far enough fast enough. You have quite a number of years of experience and cross training as a backbone. The rest of us are just trying paddle up the river before we are washed away.
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I don't think a degree is all that different now than it was in 1998. You still need one for certain professions. I can speak of my own field better than others but large companies in particular are always looking for cheaper new grads. Yes, you then have to advance your skills and perform or you will be replaced by those same cheaper new grads a few years later who can do the same thing and cost less. The world has always been this way (in the U.S. anyway). As far as costs, as I mentioned elsewhere, a four year state college degree can be had for as little as $17,000 (in Florida...I'm sure costs vary state to state). Not cheap (a little more than double what my degree cost in 1998) but it's also not going to saddle you with a lifetime of debt. In my observation, a college degree is worth more than certifications in the long run. Certifications are more helpful if you have a degree in some related field.
In a market economy (which we have some semblance of), the labor market is subject to supply and demand like everything else. If there is an overabundance of people with certain qualifications then the cost of that labor will go down. This is nothing new.
Many career choice offer alternate paths. However, just to use nursing as an example, you will be in higher demand and have more job opportunities if you get a nursing degree and become an RN than if you take other paths though it may be beneficial to start along another path (e.g. get certified in phlebotomy and become a phlebotomist (costs about $1000 where I am) then work on your RN degree).
I don't think 6 months without finding a job is really going to impact your job prospects though it might be better to say "I wanted to take a little time off before starting a new career" than "I couldn't find a job" to a prospective employer. If it's been several years that might be another story. I was lucky and had a job offer before graduating but that was during the dot-com bubble. Luck will always play some part. How the economy is when you graduate and that sort of thing.
In my case, with 20 years of experience, another degree (unless maybe I'm trying to completely change career fields or getting a PHD for a specific purpose) is probably not useful. Though further certification might be. The trick is identifying where the demand is now and where it will be in a few years. Computer forensics? Cybersecurity? Something else? Nursing and medicine in general are probably pretty safe long term bets but if that's not something that interests you then it isn't helpful. Liking your job is very important, at least in the long run.
It probably isn't a good idea to get a six year degree right out of the gate. I never even considered that. With some exceptions (medicine, law), a four year degree will get you what you need to find a job (depending on how wisely you chose of course). Then you can pursue that masters degree or perhaps certification, preferably with your employer paying for it but if not, then you at least have an income.
Ok, this is sort of a rambling response but my original point is only that, depending on your career choice, regardless of the immediate state of the economy, a degree is going to be very helpful or an absolute necessity to get a job when you have little or no experience.
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Apprenticeship programs and internships would offer the work experience and education employers look for, but the current education model doesn't allow for that.
I am not especially familiar with the accounting industry. How much of it relates to business book-keeping alone, and how much is related to dealing with taxes and other government intrusions into a business?
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Daily stuff would be bookkeeping and monthly/quality/yearly stuff is taxes, planning, and government compliance. Smaller companies could have 1 part time/full time accountant/bookkeeper be reasonable for everything you described along with the CEO.
With very large company’s having entire division of with things broken down more. They could have teams of people working with lawyers on tax compliance and regulations while others in the division only did data entry for accounts receivable, and so on.
Internships sound like a grand idea but in reality there are really enough to go around. The community college I went to had only 1 available for a couple hundred students. The funny thing was no one qualified for it. You also have company's with mind set that if you could not be paid in the first place a proper wage for being an "intern" why should they pay full price.
My original goal was to get a 2 year degree and then get some entry level work and start saving up/taking advantage of employer funding to get a Bachelor’s degree. From there I want to focus on getting a CPA (certified public accountant) by finishing off other requirements and taking required exams. In the end I wanted to switch over after getting about 15 years of expernice in general accounting into something more specifically like internal controls or forensic accounting (very expensive to get education in those type of things).
I’ve forgotten most of it but a couple of things I use it for now again. Sadly I don’t have best memory and it’s been 4 years or so now. If it was not for things like GAAP (Generally Accepted Accounting Principles) being drilled into my brain I’d have forgotten about that as well by now.
I use to be able to set up in excel or QuickBooks the entire accounting system from chart of accounts to inventorying, to end of year closing. Data entry for all accounts such as accounts payable, accounts recoverable for a large array of business types like manufacturing or services. Analyze cash flow and determine best case usage for any surplus. Find and correct data entry issues, end of year closing of accounts. Understanding, researching, and staying compliant with government regulations. Employer and employee taxes from the point of view of the business. Basic auditing and internal controls and setting up internal control systems. Contract law and other business related things. Just to name a few things.
I took a lot of fun and interesting classes at the time relating to it. These where most related to dealing with a company: Computerized bookkeeping, intro to business, financial accounting, managerial accounting, business math, financial planning, business ethics, income tax, business law (contracts), principles of finance, excel, micro economics, Marco economics, international relations.
Oddly enough according to O-net Bookkeeping is still 41% high school diploma with 1.7million workers. With automation it’s an ever shrinking employment opportunity with just a CPA/Accountant doing everything at a much higher level of understanding these days than having an Accountant and a bookkeeper.
https://www.onetonline.org/link/summary/43-3031.00
Another big issue with degrees is around 6 months you are considered outdated and it no longer being valid unless you have work experience to back it up.
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Degree obsolescence is a major problem schools don't mention.
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I wouldn't think that degrees should generally be obsolete in the time it takes to get the degree. My computer science degree from twenty years ago is mostly obsolete but now I have the experience. From a financial perspective, college degrees are most helpful when initially getting a job in that particular field. The more years experience you have, the less important the degree is for that purpose.
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Not all degrees suffer from obsolescence, but many have a short shelf-life if you don't keep up with changes in the industry.
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Really interesting post! In my experience and from what I've heard from friends, getting that summer job or internship is becoming increasingly more important and a huge source of stress and anxiety. And I think there are so many ways to bypass formal education to be successful, especially in the creative fields, they want your portfolio/what you've really made.
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AA degrees aren't very helpful for employment purposes. However, jobs in many professions require a four year degree (you mentioned a number of them). It isn't so much that this is the only way to learn something but it theoretically demonstrates to prospective employers that you have the knowledge they require. Degrees are pretty valuable particularly when you have no or little experience which covers most people right out of high school. And proper accreditation is essential for that purpose.
I would think it would be obvious that going to college without any idea what you want to do is not generally a wise choice. It may make sense to get your AA degree if you are reasonably sure you want to do something for which a degree will ultimately be helpful since an AA degree mostly involves general prerequisites that will be required for whatever four year degree you ultimately pursue.
I would also think it would be obvious that there are a number of career choices for which a degree offers little or no benefit. Some very basic research should make this easy to determine in most cases if it isn't obvious at the outset. I think college education has gotten a bad reputation in recent years but this is more because people make ill-advised decisions regarding college education than problems with colleges themselves. Going to an expensive private or out of state college is going to cost you several times more than a more local choice and often won't result in any significant advantage. Getting a degree just to get a degree with no particular career path in mind is a complete waste of money. Getting a degree at a non-accredited institution is also a complete waste of money, at least as something that is going to help you get a job. I don't have any regrets about getting my degree (Computer Science) but in retrospect I would have saved a bit of money going to my local community college for two years instead of heading straight to a University and it wouldn't have affected my employment prospects at all.
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