ETC Mantis Release & Market Behavior

in ethereum •  7 years ago 

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ETC Mantis Release

Those who follow the ETC/ETH trading pair, in general, ETC has been a pretty solid buy when it trades at 0.05 ETH. When I made my "Ethereum Classic as an Investment" video, within a few days of releasing that video, ETC price spiked several hundred percent. Part of my reasoning behind that video was this 0.05 ETC/ETH metric as a solid buy point. I also believe Bitcoincash may follow a similar metric.

The risk here is that the market may decide that 0.05 ETC/ETH ratio is too expensive for Ethereum classic since it is clear that ETH is the place where ICO's launch. To this end, in terms of popularity, ETC is not there yet. However, ETC did release their beta client code this week for their development path. In their path forward, they are headed the route of Tezos and EOS in that they have adopted a functional programming language.

If you do not understand what a functional programming language is, just be aware, this permits better smart contracts to be written with far less likelihood of bugs that brought down the DAO.

Specific details of the code release can be found here.

While ETC has hit this .05 ratio, I am skeptical that this time it will hold. Ethereum Classic while it has developers, is moving at a slow pace in terms of developing out its ecosphere of economic partners relying on their smart contracting platform. It is an interesting place to launch a smart contract if a group is concerned that the ETH blockchain is centralized. For most organizations launching ICO's this is not their concern, the primary concerns are liquidity and capital raising which ETH provides.


Market Behavior

I am also lately surprised by the number of projects launching in crypto. When I click on these projects and review their token/business models, most of these newer projects are shitcoins.

Today in cryptoworld, junk projects can raise 20+ mil in a few weeks without much to it. One of the main reason this happens is that for some reason, when a new crypto hits an exchange the price of that crypto spikes. This means that people speculate on a trade, and invest in an ICO with the idea of flipping the coin once it hits exchanges. This has worked with most any ICO that has launched in the last 3 months. This sort of trade mechanic causes money to be dumped into ICO's, even the dumbest projects possible.

The other odd thing I have begun to notice many a time is that fundamental analysis often fails to analyze price movements. The reason being is that many people who just trade or are looking for a fast ride higher do not care about any sort of metrics of user base for coins. Meaning, the ones that often rocket higher in cryptocurrency are ones that often have no users underpinning their system, but are simply sensationalized hype stories that YouTube personalities like myself jabber about, sending their prices up several hundred percent. Many a time this has a tendency to leave viewers as bag holders rather than in profitable positions (remember PIVX.)

Any crypto that spikes into the top 20 without an actual thriving user base, I consider a pump and dump, or an A-grade junk coin. If you look at the history of cryptocurrency you will see a tendency of certain coins to spike into the top 10 or 20, but then slowly lose the media hype and just fade away forgotten. It happens over and over again. When these coins spike into the top 20, plenty of press coverage, plenty of supporters. Then slowly, it all goes away because no one was using the coin to begin with.

How many purchases did you make with IOTA today? NEO? Hey, these coins got great YouTube videos covering them. They got plenty of hype. They got plenty of speculators trading them on exchanges. I am not saying they are bad, they could be good, just that if the speculators lose interest, then what?

With bitcoin, the speculators lose interest, but there is actual system users, using the coin besides pure speculation. You can buy Genesis Mining and other online products with it, you often get paid in Bitcoin in crypto-world one way or another. People can use it on online casinos. Due to its adoption, it has users. I like this.

Me liking this, though, is not as good as spotting the next A-grade junkcoin pump and dump like PIVX. If you get good at spotting those moves, just trade those and get your 300%+ weekly gains and forget about fundamental investing. Fundamentals will only hold you back in a world of scams, pumps, dumps, and hype cycles people can successfully trade off of.

Here is the deal. Long term, there is only going to emerge a few widespread cryptocurrencies for everyday use. Much like a system of metrics, how nations only use one unit of measure, similarly, people are only going to want to use a few digital currencies as a medium of exchange. There will always be more and more projects launching, but core users are going to gravitate around a few rather than the many. Think how Facebook is the main player in social media. Why? Because if you switch to something else, you will be missing a lot of your contacts list. Likewise, if you use the new junkcoin to hit the market as your favored method of exchange... how many people accept it?

Currencies favor the few, rather than the many. Now, there are other inventions here besides pure currency, such as international equities, tokenized assets, and system use tokens. Then also, there are the niche markets with coins or tokens that may strike a chord with specific audiences in terms of having a stable user base. This leaves a lot of playing field for development, and capital growth, just that the 101 renditions of the same thing we already have is not so interesting to me.

One common theme seems to be Asian investors driving the markets. To me as a westerner, this seems strange because their markets will bid up a coin specifically marketed to that demographic, but this coin will have all the same features of an existing coin like Ethereum. Yet, because it is marketed to that hemisphere, people in that hemisphere are more comfortable buying it, making it a solid investment apart from the technical specifications. Really, since few of the investors even understand any aspect of the technical details of crypto, it is better to analyze the market in terms of communities of interest which can bid specific projects higher on exchanges.

The real test with something like NEO will be, the new ICO's that launch, will they launch exclusively on NEO? Will they even accept NEO? If ICO's do not prefer their platform, will people want to develop serious use-case smart contract deployments on it? ... The point here is, if no one uses the system in the end, why would it stay in the top 10 in market cap?

Just my thoughts. NEO is not the kind of coin that interests me too much, because it going higher is contingent upon the behaviors of Asian speculators feeding into a hype cycle around the coin, and has diddly to do with anything about the coin, other than it is an Asian project. If this hype cycle gets fed long enough, and hard enough, it could gain actual user adoption for ICO's and smart contracts. If the hype cycle wavers, it was an A-grade junkcoin, pump and dump special.

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Once again, I cannot disagree with you here. I have been bewildered by the rise of NEO. Their wallet doesn't even work properly.

One coin that is sort of getting pumped, but I see a real use case for is OMISEGO (OMG). I am not certain the current price is justified, but there does need to be a secure wallet and transfer mechanism for people that don't have consistent internet access (see developing worlds), but do have access to phones (e.g., Africa and India don't have the same telco infrastructure that Europe and North America have, but they do have cell phones). OMG is going to be one to watch from a fundamental perspective because it's being marketed to exactly these types. What remains to be understood is if the price of an OMG token is justified at the current USD rate.

Yeah, I looked at it briefly, just the premise seemed a little better. The key with tokens like that, is what kind of token is it?

Is it a dividend token?

People who invest in dividend tokens are going to get burned hard, tokens like TenX. They are dumping into the token based on the hype. But if you come from the world of stocks and bonds, you know how the market prices dividend shares or bonds in the end. They get pegged at an annual interest rate, and that interest rate determines their value especially in the case of TenX where that interest rate is 100% of the value of the coin.

So when TenX starts paying dividends, and people find out they are now earning that amazing 0.5% annual interest rate, they are going to realize how silly that is and dump the token.

Dividend tokens are great, but US investors are going to be penalized for even touching them, and then also, if they are not priced based on interest rates, but hype, they are not worth touching. Not sure if OMG is a dividend token.

Agree. I don't believe OMG will be a dividend token. My take (and all of this could change as they release more) is that OMG will be an "intermediary" token between cash and the crypto world, sort of similar to Tether when it's working properly sans the bank account and KYC process. I'm not entirely sure how the OMG team is going to make this work, but I'm anxious for their first release in Q4 2017.

If my view is correct, the OMG token's demand will come from the fact that you have to purchase OMG with fiat before moving into another crypto currency. I'm not entirely sure how to account for that demand yet, though. The total supply of the token is 140,000,000 but I don't know if that's fixed or if there will be an inflation peg. Further, if they target partnerships with the likes of Venmo this could be a huge boon to OMG. All speculation on my part for now, but something I'm closely watching.

This is awesome. I knew I followed you for a reason!

So much of what you say is true, but if you don't mind, I'd like to add a few important points to consider:

#1:There's this idea that just a few coins will emerge as mainstream coins, but consider the fact that, upon becoming a user of a product/service that crypto holds, you're also instantly a shareholder and a holder of inherent stored value! This changes everything! That's why regulation is so difficult. How do you regulate something new that is traditionally 3 separate things?

I expect that a majority of the financial activity that we currently understand to be wall street will eventually transition to this rewarding market. It won't be rewarding to them in the long run, since they're not actually users, but they make their profits off of playing middle man professionally, and I expect they'll do that until all of the actual users are also owners by default, which is beyond their control.

#2: While I understand your point on advertisement location being a significant factor, it's important to also realize that these locations have had decades, if not centuries of time to integrate a variety of different social and economic customs. When a cryptocurrency manages to fit that niche, and compete with traditional business, the potential is frankly unknowable at this time.

#3: A youtuber I typically follow, Ivanontech, said this fantastically, and it makes sense to me. This craze has a lot in common with the .com bubble. There's this notion that anything that is crypto is untouchable and amazing! As you stated, there's so much shadiness and fast money scams out there. It's important to learn as much as you can about a cryptocurrency, and in my opion, actually try using a service that they have, before getting involved. Quick gains may come, but you'll be on edge always wondering, just like you said, when will the uninformed speculators bail?

Agree with a lot of this. That's why I try to test out the wallets and services of some of these coins before I dive in too deep.

Ted turned me onto NAV for this very reason. Really interesting research, project plan, and a working wallet that stakes and has consistently given me coin. Even if NAV doesn't pan out in the long term, it gives me confidence that there's something tangible there I can fall back onto. That said, really hoping the NAV team comes through with their fiat-to-NAV mechanism soon. I've been looking for good alternatives to Coinbase for a while due to their high fees.

EOS concerns me a little bit with something like NAV. Not so much as a direct competitor, but that crypto seems to be innovating so fast, that existing projects could get left in the dust in terms of technology. It may be 5 years from now, projects begin to favor EOS code copies. It's hard to gauge, but this is a recent concern of mine with the project. That said, if they're the first to achieve anon-dapps, I don't see how the price could stay down.

Agree, but EOS needs to deliver first. So for now, I'm holding a lot of NAV.

Yeah, it's just a long-term concern of mine. It really shouldn't factor in at the moment. And when we consider the number of scam coins that make it into the top 50, NAV stands a chance of having its day.

My biggest concern with EOS is that there's absolutely no legal guarantee or requirement in any way that the current ERC-20 EOS tokens are going to be converted or redeemable for actualy EOS tokens in the future. If that were a faint legal loophole to allow an ICO to occur, I'd undertand that, but they won't allow US residents to partake! Odd.

I'm excited for the platform in every way, but the purchase agreement makes me view the current ERC-20 EOS token to be essentially worthless.

There's a lot to be gained from tomfoolerly like that, especially if the platform is as revolutionary as it plans to be. The combined potential market manipulation ability of a project of that size with that legal language and off-shore structure, in addition to it's technological potential, could make for game changing market moves at their whim.

Look at NAV's chart right now...what do you make of it?

https://www.tradingview.com/chart/N8XaD0mB/ - looks like it's doing some weird U patterns up and down in a very clear row.

My view when a chart forms a stall bottom but doesn't go any lower, we see this in Ripple's chart too. A long-term buyer, has picked that level and is supporting it. Sometimes could be multiple buyers picking that level. Another factor causing this is BTC soaring, NAV is only traded in BTC, so normally BTC rallying could cause NAV to drop in BTC value, yet if buyers pick a ratio, such as .0008 NAV/BTC to hold the line against the ratio dropping, then NAV rises along with BTC even though the chart is flat. It's a good way to invest in BTC if this is truly what is happening because a person could get all the BTC appreciation and then if NAV has any additional appreciation, they could capture that too. Not guaranteed, just something that can happen with coins.

any idea when nav are going to launch its software

Well, the issue is, so many hyped projects come online, it is hard for the old hype to compete with the new hype. NEO would be great if no new projects ever launched. But in the next 12 months, about 300+ more projects are going to launch, enticing the speculator dollars elsewhere, and if a system has no users, we see the problem. Speculators get bored, they want the fast money, and "new is better" in crypto, 90% of the time.

I agree about the system users, using a system without necessarily touching the crypto. That's one reason I like EOS a lot. In general, I consider those system use tokens and not currencies, but the system use can make it into a popular currency.

My plan is to take profit from these hyped coins and invest in eos

Well, EOS is a decent speculation. It is like trying to buy Ethereum when it was 80 cents. Ethereum had no users back then, but we could see the long-term potential for it to have users. A few years later, it has tons of users. This is how I view EOS.

  ·  7 years ago (edited)

ETC its a great investement ,IM IN ETC , i hope it will skyrocket
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Thank you for the sober look at things amidst the fogs of euphoria and fear of missing out. Long term investing is usually a matter of deep research, discovering the real story (keep accumulating) and then adopting the patient practice of wait and watch.

"But where's the action, bambino!" If you're following the hype-cycle, at least know you are holding a lit match!

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  ·  7 years ago (edited)

Neo seems like too much PR and Chinese government involvement. I would give the project a 7/10 is not garbage but I'm not investing in it.
I wonder how this will continue if the Colored Coins project takes off again (Bitcoin developer Jimmy Song and Vitalik were members of the colored project. Also Charlie Lee seems interested in taking that market from Ethereum) If people start launching tokens on the Litecoin blockchain and if Segwit integrates Litecoin with Bitcoin.

On a fundamental level I like Filecoin (especially they are able to solve the problem of "contribution valuation"), 0x seems pretty good, Ehtereum has always been pretty good and now with COCO by Microsoft is gonna be super good. Stratis developers are amazing but I'm not confident in it bringing something special.

I watch closely the projects in the 100k-5M marketcap. If I find a gem then I'm willing to wait 2 years and invest $100. Most of the big projects of today had only that much money, to begin with. Now everybody asks for 10x-100x the amount of fiat or Bitcoin they would have asked for just 6 months ago.

The more middle man the project the better. Coinbase is the fastest growing business in this space and wants to become the bank of this space, only 5 million invested a couple of years ago. Exchanges are making a killing. Ironic how it's all turning into the old regular stuff.

Not sure I follow the Filecoin logic. Have you done an analysis on it I could refer to?

  ·  7 years ago (edited)

Not, really. I've read the white paper. Basically, the idea is they plan to use the IPFS they invented and many projects including the systems for Casper in Ethereum are using. There are other storage options like Storj or Burst. What they are aiming for is a routing system to find the easiest route of access to a particular piece of data in a blockchain to solve the problem a latency, it could include Storj and Burst as part of its service. Not needing to travel the world and back to chat with someone that's a couple feet far from you.
Also Juan Bennet's intention of creating something like Bell Labs for computer science and cryptography.
Here's an interview in the Y combinator.

ETC is dead the market has chosen don't lie to your self and never hold onto a dog one of my axioms in life!

  ·  7 years ago (edited)

Where did I mention Ethereum Classic? I only mentioned Ethereum. Did you misread my comment or were trying to reply to someone else?

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