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In fact, it is reversed. The printed word, for example. Would you claim that individuals are more or less free of institutional power when able to read and write? I think it's pretty obvious that the balance of power between individuals and institutions is tilted very much towards individuals with individual literacy, compared to illiteracy.

That's a good example. When the Christian Bible was only available in Latin, everyone had to ask a priest what was right and what was wrong.

When the Christian Bible was first translated into the common tongue, the leaders of the Catholic Church thought there would be chaos in the streets, but it wasn't really that bad. Even today 50% of Christians world-wide are Catholic.

Sure some of the Protestants caused a mild ruckus. Sure the Brits wanted to make up their own rules, but these spin-offs were basically carbon-copies of the Catholic blue-print. Even those who ostensibly opposed Catholicism imitated its methods and mind-set.

The original fear was that individuals would feel empowered to interpret the Christian Bible PERSONALLY. Basically, the early Church leaders feared some sort of GNOSTIC revolution where people stopped going to Church altogether and simply read their own copy of the Christian Bible and interpreted it for THEMSELVES.

They were afraid that people would figure out that Jesus wasn't born on December 25th. They were afraid that people would figure out that Jesus didn't tell anyone they had to go to Church once a week. They were afraid that people might start spotting logical errors and story inconsistencies.

But their fears were apparently unfounded and 2000 years later, the Catholic Church is still one of the most influential organizations on the planet.

I'M TALKING ABOUT LITERACY.

George Orwell identified a critical quirk of the human mind.

If you can limit the words people use and the standard definitions of those words and the publication of those words, you can control large numbers of people.

I agree with you that we should have the right to defend ourselves.

However, I have a feeling you're already familiar with Ruby-Ridge and Waco.

What I believe we need to do is join the Personal-Sovereignty movement.

The first demand would be that your real-estate should be able to be privately owned and Sovereign.

Currently, real-estate taxes make it easy for the State to steal your land.

You are essentially forced to pay them rent for something you should own.

A developer can swoop into your neighborhood and put up expensive units, which raise your property value, which RAISES YOUR TAXES (rent) to force you out.

Your land should be like your castle. Nobody should be able to enter your land without your permission, including the police.

Your land should be your jurisdiction.

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While agreeing in principle with your views, I look at the history I am aware of and wonder if it's possible for people to achieve such a feat. From the United States takeover from natives that soo.chong mentions on the post by valued-customer, to Hitlers lebensraum drive that he modeled after and used the United States as a moral justification, history seems to be a record of sorts of infringement upon others property rights.

Even many of the stories of the settlement in the U.S. showed those in power accepting money from those of means to drive off the less powerful people who had first claim (first claim being on the land that was already being used by those indigenous), using law enforcement in the area as paid killers at times to drive them off.

I look at the financial trickery of the Federal Reserve, like when they pulled the inflation/deflation trick in the 70's/80's that cost many small farms to go under that were scooped up at bargains by the monied interest. They seem to always manipulate the legality of ownership, and it seems to achieve (temporarily) what you propose, there would have to first be a reckoning on the profiteers who have monopolized much of the private property ownership, freeing the ill gained property from their hands. Using history as a barometer, I (cynical I know) think it is fair to assume that within a few decades at most the monied interests would work their way back into purchasing the power and set in on eroding the masses ability to own and be free from their clutches.

Curious what your thoughts on this are.

Agree so much on limited understandings. I was having a conversation last week on things not being what they seemed, and mentioned Easter was mixed in with the worship of Ishtar (Easter). The guy looked at me like I was lying, and when I dared him to investigate for himself he shook his head with a look of disgust and said he wasn't interested. Many seem afraid to question the origins of the systems and rituals handed to us. I can understand why they do, but wish they understood the implications insofar as the power demonstrated by these created paradigms.

I think I'm with you 100% on the land theft.

I'm working on an idea where every citizen would randomly be assigned a half acre of land at birth and those land rights would be non-transferable and expire at their time of death. They could of course rent that land if they wished, but would not be able to sell it.

Also, Ishtar is not directly related to Easter, you're probably better off making a case for Eostre (Ostara).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%92ostre

An interesting proposition, although I would worry those with the authority to assign the land would use or be persuaded to assign based on personal incentives. Can think of many other questions that would need ironing out (and raise the question of whether it is truly personal property or not) but would all be speculative and raise more questions as those were examined.

Also, Ishtar is not directly related to Easter, you're probably better off making a case for Eostre (Ostara).

Thank you so much for this. I'm home sick today and spent a couple hours going down this hole. I spent about ten years searching for God in religions, mostly Christianity (and its precursor, Judaism). I never found what I was looking for, other than no one seems to agree or answer most logical questions credibly. I found some articles (by an athiest) that were interesting reads on the subject.

https://historyforatheists.com/2017/04/easter-ishtar-eostre-and-eggs/

https://historyforatheists.com/2016/12/the-great-myths-2-christmas-mithras-and-paganism/

Back in the early 2000's I was new to the internet (was late to the party) and loved the many discussions (amidst the arguing for ego sake) on ancient writings and their intent. Has been awhile, and probably have forgotten much of what those learned people shared. Without turning your post into a religious discussion (for which I ultimately still hold no answers today other than one should be the best they can and hope it's enough for whatever force may be underlying everything, and if not, then is It worthy of deviating from the proper path?), I can say that intuitively I have a conviction that pagan beliefs must be mixed into religions, although I read/saw something today (didn't save the link I don't think) that explained why eggs were associated with easter (end of fasting).

Brought back memories of the borderline despair I would feel back then, realizing that many writings from antiquity were written well after the fact, and the author could have had a bias that skewed their position. In the NT, Paul admits several times he is not beyond stretching truths to achieve results.

Forgive the rambling, has been many years since I went down this hole. I appreciate your shedding new light on an idea that was handed to me that seemed credible based on the intuition I mentioned above. Took the liberty of using the same man to see what he had to say on Mithras, as that too was one that seemed credible to me despite many historians saying not much had been found on it from antiquity.

While I suspect that there is much from antiquity being used today in ways not taught to folks like myself, suspecting and demonstrable truth are not often aligned. I know now not to mention Ishtar (nor Mithras) again. Thank you for this gift.

Thank you, watched it a little bit ago (and saved your channel for later perusing).

One of the things that bothered me years ago in my search was the fact that no one who knew Jesus personally wrote anything. The NT is comprised of books written mostly generations after he was gone. I was also bothered by Paul (who was a self confessed liar in his writings) somehow becoming the authority over those who were reputed to be with him (his brother James and Peter). Much is off about all of this to me, and feel it is difficult to piece together what was what based on who the winners were and what they put forth.

During my research years, I remember coming across the beliefs posited by Arius (Arianism) that seemed more logical than the views put forth by the churches I attended many years ago. I could go on and on with this, but it would solve nothing as I was left with the agreement (with myself) that all I had to offer was the best I can give and the chips will fall wherever they fall.

Appreciate your further humoring me on the subject. Was a time I was very passionate about trying to understand "truth" from antiquity, and finally walked away from my studies as the only certainty I found was people tend to set up empires run by selfish assholes.

Regarding your concerns about Paul, this made a lot of sense to me...

Ēostre
Ēostre or Ostara (Old English: Ēastre [æːɑstrə] or [eːɑstrə], Northumbrian dialect Ēastro, Mercian dialect and West Saxon dialect (Old English) Ēostre [eːostrə]; Old High German: *Ôstara ) is a Germanic goddess who, by way of the Germanic month bearing her name (Northumbrian: Ēosturmōnaþ; West Saxon: Ēastermōnaþ; Old High German: Ôstarmânoth), is the namesake of the festival of Easter in some languages. Ēostre is attested solely by Bede in his 8th-century work The Reckoning of Time, where Bede states that during Ēosturmōnaþ (the equivalent of April), pagan Anglo-Saxons had held feasts in Ēostre's honour, but that this tradition had died out by his time, replaced by the Christian Paschal month, a celebration of the resurrection of Jesus.
By way of linguistic reconstruction, the matter of a goddess called *Austrō in the Proto-Germanic language has been examined in detail since the foundation of Germanic philology in the 19th century by scholar Jacob Grimm and others. As the Germanic languages descend from Proto-Indo-European (PIE), historical linguists have traced the name to a Proto-Indo-European goddess of the dawn *H₂ewsṓs (→ *Ausṓs), from which descends the Common Germanic divinity from whom Ēostre and Ostara are held to descend.

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I'm but a humble taxpayer, enjoying the simple pleasures of not having to declare any sovereignty, or worse - attempt to maintain it. I delight in sipping perfectly safe tap water, sitting in my little dwelling and not worrying about being sovereign on a piece of dirt that no one gets to keep (it gets to keep us)... But here I am - worrying about sovereignty... perhaps a different kind though... how about the sovereignty of our data? After all, the only true thing that we will ever own is our identities and ideas... and they're being mined right out of our skulls... I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on the sovereignty of our personal information.

As for physical property, we cannot be granted sovereignty. The fact that there is a 'grantor' negates the possibility of us ever being sovereign. To own land free of government one must take it with force and keep it through power. Unfortunately, this is where the idea of individualism brakes down - at the very least you need numbers to have power. And the moment that happens we are back to the same cycle again... I don't think we will ever go back to owning anything without a major cataclysm. and even then ownership will be maintained through barbarism, and eventually, power will cluster in the hands of a few once again and I won't be able to sip my safe tap water and pursue any pleasures beyond basic needs... So i give the uncle his dues, and while my property taxes are going up, so is the value of my check should I decide to sell it... :) its a sweet setup.

how about the sovereignty of our data? After all, the only true thing that we will ever own is our identities and ideas... and they're being mined right out of our skulls...

I believe that falls under the umbrella of "personal sovereignty".

Nobody should be able to publish your data or show your face without paying you.

This includes youtube videos and America's Most Wanted.

And I discovered recently that your current (very weak) rights to your own image expire instantly at your death, unless those rights have been purchased by a corporation.

I believe those rights to your image and data should be inherited by your heirs.

It would be nice if we never had to worry about this stuff.

Also, you can be forced off of your land by skyrocketing taxes, and if you can't afford the taxes, the developer is unlikely to pay you "fair market value".

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well yeah, im not saying that you will be paid a fair market price, but i still dont think that not being paid fairly justifies trying to do away with the government or taxation... however, i do believe that the current US tax system is broken and that it is not being applied effectively or spent properly. But at the end of the day, i believe that there is no way around taxation in an organized and orderly society (unless we do away with money entirely).

Oh, of course we need some sort of taxation, I'm just saying that real-estate taxes seem to be a form of de facto perpetual rent and a mechanism to evict "owners" at the whim of moneyed-interests.

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Again thank you. I see your stance way clearer after you added a bit more nuance. I think there is a big grey area between sovereign property and paying fair rent... Fair rent is definitely a more reasonable (or rather more realistic) demand than sovereignty.
Perhaps the sentiment also has to do with which states we live in... I recently saw my property tax go up but about $300 for the year, but i live in one of the comparatively low tax states... i imagine that the situation is way worse for people living in states like NY, VT, CT.

Good point.