MI- S.B. 419: Boom or Bust for Families?

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I apologize for taking so long to get to this... A week or two ago someone posted about this new law in Michigan that is being advanced as a pro-family act and I promised to dissect- and to do that I also had to upload a previous bill it referenced. Then I got sidetracked and then, and then... Hell- I'm old, it takes me forever to do everything these days... So better late than never, I guess!

The most important part of the Bill is Chapter XII A... I'll go into a little detail on a few sections and subsections that seem to apply or are problematic. Section 1 (c) Taked authority of juveniles that may have committed a crime (remember, running away is a crime) away from DHS (Dept. of Human Serv.) and puts it in the hands of the county juvenile authority without mention of the family. This is important I believe because Section 2 gives the state authority to force families into state sponsored counselling . In short, if a child runs away, instead of CPS stepping in, juvenile authorities can force the family into counselling instead. Section 4 deals with chronic truancy and the way it's written (along with the next subsection I'll post) could prove problematic for homeschoolers... For some reason this won't copy and paste, so I'll quote the important part and post the entire bill and the previous law it refers to at the end: "... "learning program" means an organized educational program that is appropriate for given age, intelligence, ability and psychological limitations of a juvenile..." and goes on to list a fairly regular curriculum.

Similarly, the next subsection (b)(1) (A) goes on to define "Education" as "learning based on an ORGANIZED [emphasis added] educational program"... and then goes on to list the limitations and list a curricula as "reading, spelling, mathematics, science, history, civics, writing and English grammar." (sounds like grounds to condemn the public school system!) The wording "organized educational program" is really bothersome as it could adversely affect homeschoolers.

The next subsection (b)(10(C) deals with Neglect and refers to the previous law MCL-ACT-250 of 1982- 722.602 which they use to define "neglect."
"(d) “Neglect” means harm to a child's health or welfare by a person responsible for the child's health or
welfare which occurs through negligent treatment, including the failure to provide adequate food, clothing,
shelter, or medical care" It's written so ambiguously that it's wide open to subjective interpretations... so much so that a state "Neglect Board" was established for that purpose (the link at the end will have it- 722.603) The new law then goes on to expand the definition of neglect to include placing the child in either "physical or psychological danger," without defining what the latter amy mean. "Physical danger" is fairly straightforward... However, "psychological" could mean any number of things- and here again I refer you to the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child which is inevitably cited. If your child wants gender transformation surgery and you refuse- it may constitute "psychological danger." In fact I believe I did a post about an Ohio couple who had their child removed for that very reason.

Without rewriting the entire text, there is another subsection dealing with removal because of "association with criminals, dissolute (I had to look that one up), or disorderly persons." More ambiguous terminology. In the previous post about this law, if memory serves, there was a reference to "human services" (CPS) being strikken from the text. However, upon closer examination- it also says "this subsection is invalid after May 1, 2018." There is another section that deals with the state collecting "Biometric Data" without any mention of parental consent. All in all, if this bill is signed into law, and I still lived in Michigan... I wouldn't be sleeping any better at night.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1oYUhlytvqKwQ24xvsQO3S2TdRG0NoOrA/view
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/mcl/pdf/mcl-Act-250-of-1982.pdf

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"organized educational program" is really bothersome - I can see why it is bothersome. When something is organized. it can be more easily controlled. The educational mind control is so left in its socialism. If they can educated these children to think in a socialistic propaganda, they have the future hooked in to their thought process. Then they can take over the country, run families and dictate your lives. Many of us older folks are not socialists. WE NEED TO REDIRECT AND TRAIN THE YOUTH WHILE WE STILL CAN OF THE EVILS OF THIS DOGMA. I am sorry my upvote is still trashed from the scamming that was placed on me Friday. I have written 2 posts on it. I do support you in Spreading the truth of bills and education. Blessings. - Troy

Don't worry about Upvoting me Buddy! I understand... I wish I could help you in some way!

As if I weren't losing enough sleep at night these days. This is terrifying! It's almost as if the laws are being written to make it easy for them to steal our kids. I may need to go underground with my kids.

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That's the way they write them, so that people can't understand them, or in such ambiguous language that they can mean anything! If you need help going underground just holler- I'm, here!

It is truly scary how government is reaching into our lives. This is a slippery slope that we as a country need to get off of

I'm ready and open to suggestions!

I wish I had a good answer for you. You could always move here to Kentucky ;)

I'm in Arkansas so I'm good! KY has the worst CPS in the country behing a couple of Left-Coast states.

I did not know that. I have had a run in with CPS in Indiana but never any problems in KY

That is crazy. Now I might have to look into moving to AR. Thanks for sharing

Arkansas is the best! I've lived all over the country and can live wherever I want... I wouldn't even consider anywhere else- maybe AZ for the heat, but for people, it's AR hands down!

State thinks they know best, not really. If you are homeschooling invest in HSLDA or similar organization. I’ve lived in two states that are green ratings for homeschooling and was thankful for the support from HSDLA worth the $1000 lifetime membership. When it is all said and done, will be doing 25 years of homeschooling. What a blessing to be able to educate your children.

My kids are all grown up and have kids of their own. When I was doing it I was teaching college and CPS still went after my kids!

That is crazy! I am thankful for pioneers in the home school movement, that blazed a trail for the next generation. It is definitely easier now, although I had some friends that applied for a state scholarship. The state told them they had to take a GED to be eligible. They caved because they wanted the assistance. I asked why they would not fight for the validity of their home school diploma? They didn’t see the issue, I won’t go into all the details.

They gave my oldest daughter some problems getting into college, but she has a PhD in pharmacology now.

I can see why you'd be suspicious. That "ORGANIZED" bit could get some homeschoolers' kids yanked away from them, although the nationwide homeschooling community would go nuts.

In these days, "Neglect" amounts to any style of child rearing that the collection of designated experts frown on. There's lots of evidence that those designated experts are politicized.

As is often the case, enforcement will be the key. As Harvey Silverglate explained in his book, Joe Average commits Three Felonies A Day.

Thankfully, even in these days of censored social media word will get out if some innocent Michigan parents have their kids snatched from them.

My thoughts exactly! I schooled my kids there and fought DHS the whole time!

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terrifying sad and worrying, the problem is in all states, although manifest in different ways, incredible what they are increasing to direct families at their convenience. ENOUGH NOW

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is it against the kids?
kindly explain this law in simple words for me