It Has to be Said: krnel's Hypocrisy

in flagging •  8 years ago  (edited)

Nine rants in two days, and counting.

@krnel sure took it hard that his posts were flagged. Judging by the tone of his posts, it almost seems like his mental health has taken a huge blow as a result of this.

First off, I'd say that it might be a good idea to just take a few days off of Steemit whenever the community starts to take more out of you than it's giving. This is just general life advice. Facebook really started to get on my nerves recently, and I've been mostly off Facebook for a few weeks now - and it's been great. Nothing that is clearly this toxic for you can be good for your mental health in the long run. And when all you do is loop negative thoughts in a negative environment all day long, it doesn't take a genius to figure out what the end result of that is.

Things might look a lot better after a little break. Instead of wasting your time rating, you should try an adventure, like growing a moustache. If you were able to grow a manly moustache and post the photo on Steemit, I would upvote it and re-steem it, too.


Anyway.

There is glaring hypocricy in krnel's on going diatribe against certain community members for flagging him.

One of the issues that krnel has brought up several times is the fact that these people don't even read his posts before flagging. krnel feels that since they don't even read the posts, they have no possible way of measuring the perceived value of said posts, and therefore should not be allowed to reduce their rewards.

Okay, fine. I mean, there is a point there. How can someone, who never even read the post, accurately measure the value of that post, right? Let's go with that.

However, krnel never seemed to have an issue with all the autovotes that he was getting.

It's the exact same thing: a post receives votes that have an effect on the post's payout value, and are cast without the user even reading the post. Bots don't read your posts. No matter what you believe, your posts do not evolve the bots' consciousness, bunnyboy.

I don't remember seeing a single rant from krnel about the automatic upvotes that he was getting. I'd even argue that if the two notorious whales made it clear right now that they don't read krnel's posts, but opt to upvote them anyway, we wouldn't see nine rants about how unfair it is that someone just votes on posts without even reading them.

And before someone says that hey, no one could ever turn down free votes, I'd note that I'm the guy who became skeptical of the STEEM Guild's effects on the community's long term health, and opted out of being voted on by them. So, it's entirely possible for a person to have a backbone.

Sorry, krnel, but you come off as really hypocritical, and extremely entitled. I can't think of a nicer way to say that.

What is prevalent in your rants is that your content is so valuable, and objectively so, that you deserve nothing short of worship and praise, and never in a million years should anyone, especially mere peasants, question the value of what you bring to the table.

That's why it never crosses your mind that you might be hypocritical when complaining about downvotes from users who don't read your content, while at the same time receiving autovotes from bots who don't read your content.

Because of course you get automatic upvotes. You're krnel! Your posts will evolve consciousness to change individual lives, and the world, through steemit.com.

Because speaking of hypocrisy, weren't you one of the most vocal people driving @steemsports away? And why? Because, for subjective reasons, you felt they were overrewarded and their content was low in quality.

That is absolutely fair enough. You are completely within your rights to feel that way, nothing wrong with that.

But what is comical is the fact that you simply can't deal with the fact that some people may feel that way about you. I mean it's like you can't process the fact that someone just doesn't like your content, and finds it overrewarded - even though you have done the same thing yourself.

Now you want a council to review flags? Really? Really? Are you absolutely sure about that? If flags indeed require a council to review them, then so do upvotes, as well. That would mean no automatic upvotes, by the way.

A downvote is simply a reverse upvote.

When I upvote something, I upvote because I liked the content and, in essence, am disagreeing with the rewards. In other words, I upvote when something is underrewarded. A downvote is simply the same thing in reverse.

Why does one action require a council, and the other doesn't?

Because upvotes make you money.

You sound like a big American corporation that is okay with the free market, as long as it favor the corporation in every way possible, but as soon as the free market causes a friction of any kind, the government must step in immediately.

Is that really something Steemit should promote?


This whole thing during the past few days has made me respect @ozchartart more, actually. As we all know, oz was making massive payouts multiple times a day for a long time, until he started getting flagged by dan, which reduced his payouts to notohing.

At first, he didn't say anything.

krnel would have already made a dozen rants during that time.

And when he finally did make a post about, the only post he ever made about it, mind you, he wasn't whiny, nor did he come off as someone with a superiority complex. When the post was done, he want back to posting as usual.

That is how an adult deals with a situation like this. It also gives an idea on why he was so heavily supported: maybe he just conducts himself in a nice, mature way, and people like him. I know nothing about him personally, but it's a possibility.


So, why is your content such that one should not be allowed to disagree with its rewards? Because the flaggers don't read your posts? If that was the case, you should opt out of all bot votes, as well. The bots don't read your posts.

Is it because people are not allowed to disagree with rewards? If that was the case, you wouldn't do it yourself, and clearly you have.

Is it because your content is just so.. good? I'm sure every person of at least average intelligence can realize this is where it just gets absurd. A blog post has no objective value, only subjective. A glass of water for a swimmer in a lake is less valuable than it is to a dying man in a desert. Just because you find something valuable, doesn't mean others will. Even if it's the same glass of water, its value is wholly dependent on who you are offering it to.

Why waste your time complaining about the few users who don't like your stuff, instead of concentrating on creating content for those who do? You have over a thousand followers, and you have even a sixty dollar payout on a post that is flagged by two big whales. I'd say you're doing pretty damn good on Steemit.

But this crusade of yours has made you look really childish, and it's extremely hard to sympathize with you.

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Stand by your man @schattenjaeger

Okay, so you clearly have nothing substantial to contribute.

I think it expresses things quite succinctly. If you want to defend someone who attacks the weak and vulnerable, go right ahead.

What about those who never make diddly squat on Steemit? Every flag frees the rewards for the rest of the community.

The reality of the situation just doesn't meet your description.

And wasn't karen trending not too long ago?

When exactly?

Did she had a writen permission from smooth bernie and the others?

Maybe we should all stop voting and let "The Justice League" do all the voting for us! they know better!

https://steemit.com/life/@karenmckersie/6-months-of-steeming-from-my-job-site-ends-my-fav-pics

Okay, so it was a month ago, so it's been longer than I remembered, but still to say that she "never makes anything" is pretty dishonest, don't you think?

You mean like @karenmckersie who makes diddly squat, but gets flagged by @smooth? Apparently the poor and hard working are paying the price in @smooth's wealth redistribution plan.

You mean the post that made $27.53 after the downvote? How is $27.53 "not getting shit"?

I think some people need a reality check, honestly. It's $27.53 for a blog post on the internet. That's a huge load of money for a simple blog post, in my opinion.

And wasn't karen trending not too long ago?

Okay, so it was a month ago, so it's been longer than I remembered, but still to say that she "never makes anything" is pretty dishonest, don't you think?

Maybe not 100% accurate but not really dishonest.

Anyway, I believe we need to bring people in steemit and not make them go away.

Why not use those "over rewards" as an advertisment?

Those low quality posts earned more than $100 in steemit, how much can your quality posts earn? bring your followers to steemit and find out! Don't allow those low quality posts to grab all the rewards!

Flagging too much to reduce rewards is not the solution imo. I doubt that users can even notice the difference and I doubt that it is worth all this mess, new quality users could make the rewards distribution more "fair".

That advertisement is not positive IMHO. People will leave if come with quality contents but earn little or nothing. We have to admit there are quite some examples already.

This is bullshit. Whale's are the one that give high rewarding post and influence what's on the trending page. If a user posts 4 times a day and whales has his bot set to autovote his posts, that's the whale's fault. krnel is trending and supposedly "draining the reward pool." So the excuse to distribute is to downvote a users post because of opinions of being "overrewarded." Maybe whales need to be more responsible and not set autovoting like that and distribute the rewards to more people.

That's what all you guys are using that it's right to flag a post based on a few individual's opinion that a post is "overrewarded," the author is draining the reward pool so it's fair to downvote so other's can earn something. Then whales need to stop voting for themselves and the same people.

You guys are siding with smooth and his reason is because his opinion is the post is "overrewarded" and "draining the reward pool."

I never said anything about anything being anyone's fault. I simply stated that if one is to be critical of receiving a flag from a user who didn't read the post, he should also condemn receiving upvotes from bots - since clearly the bots don't read the posts, either.

Just to be consistent.

I also said nothing about "draining the reward pool". Don't put words into my mouth.

Well, I can't help but remember one night when I was listening to steemspeak and @krnel was explaining how when someone leaves time on the microwave timer it triggers him.

If the microwave timer can trigger him imagine what a @berniesanders flag is doing to him...

When I first came to steemit, I had a friend helping me, I was learning how to post. I didn't know html so I made a few test post, just youtube videos.

I was excited, steemit was going to be the next big thing, I bought three bitcoins at $735.00 USD. My friend was helping my figure out how to buy steem. But, one of the videos was about a Hillary supporter who threatened to set himself on fire. It was hilarious lol.

Evidently that triggered @krnel, not only did he flag it with 100%, but he then flagged my comment asking why he flagged it. Then he went and flagged all my other post as well. What a guy..

He could have explained what I did wrong and gave me a chance to sort it out but no, my $0.50 earnings was just too much draining of the reward pool for him, he had to act fast. Drove my 32 reputation back down to 18 and showed me what Steemit was all about.

Well, I decided to keep those three bitcoins instead of buying steem at 0.25 cents. I have always been grateful to @krnel for his gracious education. But I must admit, seeing those flags coming back to him has been very entertaining.

I wouldn't wish anything bad on anyone, but if his microwave timer got stuck at 2 seconds that would be cool.

Thanks for the post.

I agree with this so much that I have tied myself up in knots by nodding so much. You have covered so many valid points.

One recurring theme from the recent fairly ranty posts that I have issue with particularly is the idea being thrown about that it is about suppression of good content. Nothing is being suppressed or censored, just the monetary value adjusted and this is important to note

I'm here to say I have a moustache and the break I took from Steemit made me more zen. I approve your advice!

Awesome! Take a photo of your moustache and get an upvote and a re-steem! :D

I will make sure I will include it in my next work. haha!

If a downvote is only a reverse upvote, then you won't mind me flagging this post for being wrong, will you?

Of course not. It's what I've been trying to say: a flag is a downvote, which is every stakeholder's right.

Do you have a counter argument?

wow thanks

Fightin the good fight @schattenjaeger ?

But that's not even true. The flagged posts have been heavily rewarded. It's not like posts have been reduced to nothingness.

Oh yeah, reducing rewards to nothingness was another tactic of the "The Justice League" not long before, I suppose we have to thank them now for the "improvements" on their moronic flags.

I am not aware of all flagging that has gone on in Steemit, so therefore I'm not defending every flag that's been given out. I am talking specifically of the recent drama.

Well, same to you. Your meme clearly states "Nobody is getting any shit", which is a false statement, since the flagged posts were heavily rewarded, and were rewarded even after the flags. So, to say "nobody is getting shit" is to say that they were flagged to zero.

That is not true.

You are coming across as a shill for the whales voting on your post. I hope you enjoy your 30 pieces of silver.

I knew this one would come.

If I were to suck up to someone, it would make sense for me to choose the other side of this on going debate, no? The side that I represent is clearly the less popular one, and the other side of the debate has bigger whale support, including the support of a co-founder.

It just so happens that after reviewing the situation, this is the side I think makes the most sense. I can answer questions, if you have them.

@smooth and @berniesanders can also remove their votes for all I care. I just find it odd that if a specific side is chosen, then it's sucking up, but virtue signalling and siding with a user with a much larger whale support, then it's not.

You are coming off as a sockpuppet.