As always a discussion on post rewards came up today in SteemSpeak. The conversation gave me a sense of deja vu, or maybe it was bad memories.
I come from Corporate America, we didn't have flags. (downvotes) In my world we only had words and math to try to find ways to influence others You could say, I am "trained" to talk it out. An idea regarding posts you feel are begging, cross moral lines or are over valued, what if you made a comment and tried to share your view? (Just a thought)
I broke out this old rough draft.. (I never used it, and I don't remember why)
Dear Voters of this Post,
I respectfully ask you "the voters" to reconsider voting up the same Authors day-after-day. There are other users, investors and potential investors viewing our site, thus credibility is imperative. I am not flagging, whining or attacking. One consideration is about trusting SteemIt, our integrity and appearances. There are many different types of valuable content, but seeing the same things, by the same authors “trend” every day, takes the fun and diversity out of SteemIt.
To the Author:
I not opposed to your posts nor your success. Your posts add value to the platform. When bots, guilds and whales are involved it is important to gain the trust of investors. I am not asking anyone to ban, blacklist, or attack you in anyway, just back off the daily, automated votes.
If you read this, considered it and decided to vote, excellent. I just wanted to state the concerns in a non-confrontational way. Everyone can use their stake or allow others to use their stake in any way they want. Thank you for the consideration.
We are on a social platform, we could "talk" before we flag. Or not. :) There is a lot of gray area between voting and flagging.
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Yeah, that was well said. Honestly, I like the struggle. I do go through a lot of "New" posts after I post and I just see a lot of shoddy work followed with "why you no likey?" Posts. I try to post good and diverse content. That is why I have confidence that I won't hang around the bottom for long. Anyone can parrot information. But knowledge and intelligence are what should get rewarded.
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Trying to be a peacekeeper in a world full of people that would rather you use a peacemaker isn't easy, eh?
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Well spoken but not heard Lad
I flagged a guy on my first day and he flagged me back
He wanted to send refugees back to there country's with airplanes and parachutes each of them including mothers and kids
And if the governments of the refugee countries would protest he wanted to send the austalien special forces
Which he bragged are the best in the world
I reminded him that his family also came with a boat
And that the aborigines would maybe like to give him a parashute too
He told me that's different because Australia pays too much for there aborigines -so they should be thankfull for guys like him
I don't need to tell that nothing happened to the guy --he had over 60 voting power
So flags are only for the powerfull
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Actually, I like that solution considering you are small and he was big. Sounds like you disagreed, and were able to express it, yet his opinion and others who voted were not canceled out. I like it.
I get the impression you didn't like the outcome. What would you have liked to have seen happen?
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I was expecting somebody to make a judgment or at least talk to me
Because after threatening me he shure pulled some strings
Beside the flagging
It is very funny for me to see how people play different roles in this game
It reminds me at the Stanford prison experiment.
I believe there is people they are just trying out and if they like the game they might invest and become a wale
I pity only the real poor guys here who have no choice and no power
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Many people here believe in the freedom to voice an opinion ... Right or wrong. Due to that thinking, many of us stay out of a debate.
This is a young platform and if the debate took place on someone's page it is likely most didn't even see it to defend you from threats.
In my opinion, the poor gain a chance to have their voice heard. It takes time for others to see "hear" it.
I love that movie and the experiment does sometimes seem relevant to me as well! :)
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Anyway it was nice to talk to you
Your job is not easy -I understand
Social media is a big project
Social media mixed with making money for everybody is exponentially difficult
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It's a good point that we should always at least attempt to resolve issues by talking it out. We can often come to a solution that is mutually beneficial! However the flag is necessary in case words don't work.
The thoughtless and greedy self voting while not giving anything back to the community is an act that is harmful to the entire economy. It draws the reward pool away from people who deserve it.
I wish there were more incentive to spreading around the wealth.
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I don't know who deserves it. I love the win/win thinking!
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epic response, hahahahahahaha
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Maybe our taking should be limited by our giving to some degree?
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The problem with trying to talk to someone about spamming the same post over and over is that it usually doesn't discourage them. In my experience on here, they really don't care. I saw a guy the other night spamming the same youtube video every 5-7 minutes for hours farming money and he ignored all comments he received on his posts and just kept on going until his stuff started getting hidden by all the flags.
I think it's worth a shot to try to talk to them first, but the flagging system is definitely needed on here.
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Agreed, I just meant trying to educate or influence prior to whipping out an ambiguous flag.
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Yeah, of course. It's worth a shot, like I said. Just don't count on everyone who does this stuff to actually care enough to change and not be jackasses with the constant spamming, lol. Flagging should be a last step, and talking should be your go to for the first.
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@whatsup I just wrote this guide about curation behavior. We're probably thinking very similarly. I would love to see a better distribution of rewards too.
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I agree with akrid and rudyrun. Talking is the best first response. Flagging is good for enforcement when talking is ignored. However, the problem is that those with might also have the right. In other words, it takes a hundred or more minnows to make up for one whale vote. So if you flag a whale, you need an army to protect you from a "spite" flag.
Just like in a real society, we employ police to uphold justice. Perhaps that is also what we need here. There should be some sort of judicial council that looks at cases and if the flag was not deserved, then it should be reversed. And, as punishment for abuse of power, the flagger should be punished by having his/her ranking reduced according to the severity of the crime.
In the absence of such regulations, it becomes the Wild West, where the fastest gun always wins (whether right or wrong, good or bad).
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It is a stake based system. So, in this case, stake wins over speed.
I hear your point.
As much as I support the stake based system, I wish it required a tiny bit of consensus to completely gray out a post and reallocate other people's votes. I don't know how to solve it.
In my experience issues come up over and over until there is some type of resolution.
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Speed was just an analogy used in place of power, but you understood that. But there was/is an element of speed still present. Those who sign up earlier have a better chance of building SP than someone just entering. Of course if you invest out of your own pocket, that negates the speed factor and then it boils down to who can afford more. That is why I believe that there needs to be some way to level the playing field without the need for great SP.
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Great point on the speed. (early adopters)
I think one point of Steem, and the only reason it has the ability to "pay" is the investment factor. So, if we remove a reason to invest.. (time, money, labor, hardware) lots of ways to invest, how will the the money keep rolling in? (rhetorical)
(I am not saying it has to stay exactly the same) We have to consider both sides.
How do we provide new-users with incentives to stay, and investors the reasons to invest. It is the multi-million dollar questions we are struggling through.
I appreciate the conversation.
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Yes, these are always the tough questions and the answers are elusive; only time will tell.
I expect that there will come a day where out-of-pocket investments will not be required because there is no other currency (besides the other cryptocurrencies). Existing Steem or SBD will be traded for services and other goods. New money (until Steem reaches its cap) is created out of thin air just as it always was/is. The value is in the confidence people place in the currency; no different than our fiat currencies.
To think only in terms of converting to fiat is what will prevent any cryptocurrency from truly succeeding.
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Talking before flagging adds a sense of maturity to this. Many flag out of spite or jealousy at times from what I've seen.
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Funny, I am sensitive to "control", so I see it in that light. I get triggered by it. Interesting perspective.
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And regarding the point I made earlier. All of that junk that clogs up the "new" tab is what keeps good content from being seen. It would be nice if there was a discreet way to flag posts to avoid undue retaliation.
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Sure ,we should talk before flagged ,communication us the KEY. Thanks for sharing this 😉
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hi all, i'm organizing a contest for win 1 steem
https://steemit.com/steemit/@bastiencrypto/contest-for-win-one-steem
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@whatsup, this ^^^^^^^^ is what I'm talking about right here.
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