RE: Investigating the Pomegranate Network Mining Gridcoin

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Investigating the Pomegranate Network Mining Gridcoin

in gridcoin •  7 years ago 

Detrimental. If hosts didn't consent to use their energy and hardware, then it can be considered stealing no? The intentions are very opposed to the work being done.

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      ·  7 years ago 

    I agree, and this is playing right into the hands of BOINC enthusiasts who think GRC is detrimental to BOINC and its reputation. As a community we should not tolerate this behaviour just because of the short term processing gain.

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      ·  7 years ago 

    It is most definately theft if users are unaware that some one is benefitting from their computing power and electricity.

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      ·  7 years ago 

    And also against the BOINC terms if the user is unaware.

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        ·  7 years ago 

      Except they consented to using CE When they registered & installed the CE software..

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          ·  7 years ago 

        Exactly. Something I find difficult to believe that Dutch is unaware of.

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            ·  7 years ago 

          (And something which he still isn't commenting on.)

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              ·  7 years ago (edited)

            I'm commenting for @dutch because he's gone to sleep.

            We are able to confirm express consent for the less than 1% of users who install Charity Engine through the website, as that is the only installer available for us to analyze.

            From Spyware Techie:

            According to our team of specialists, CharityEngine often comes bundled with other programs, which is why many users do not notice how it enters systems and cannot remember downloading it themselves.

            This sounds like about as much consent as leaving a sneaky checkbox checked by default in a bundled software installation.

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                ·  7 years ago 

              Spyware Techie??? Bloody hell, mate. Spyware Techie exists purely to spread FUD about other apps to make you download their crappy SpyHunter software (Google it). Great source, lads. Really impressive research. Maybe a quote from Infowars next?

              So guess what? We do not "leave a sneaky checkbox ticked by default" and I'm now about one more snotty (and ever-changing) accusation from screenshotting this whole thing and sending it to our legal guy.

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                  ·  7 years ago (edited)

                I would defend with Freedom of Speech (and Write), but legal is as full of holes as gridcoin source.
                Also I suggest to save this wbepage (File->Save page as) to save the poor lawyer from copy-typing the text from your screenshot image.

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                  ·  7 years ago 

                Been saving every comment and every edit too.

                FoS doesn't include the right to accuse innocent people of being criminals. That's defamation.

                I've also just learned they've sent some absolutely shocking emails to some professional colleagues in the BOINC community.

                They are behaving quite abhorrently.

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                    ·  7 years ago 

                  They consented to using CE when they registered and installed the CE software, it's not like it's being installed via a drive-by trojan.

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                      ·  7 years ago (edited)

                    I don't know, if the software is bundled with other software unless you untick a checkbox I don't know how valid the consent argument is. I mean, it's not like people used to run 600 IE toolbars because they liked them and gave explicit consent. They ran them because they came bundled with something they actually consented to.

                    Edit: All installations supposedly require explicit consent (as in check a box to install, not uncheck a box to avoid installation), so it might be moot.

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                      ·  7 years ago 

                    I don't know, if the software is bundled with other software unless you untick a checkbox I don't know how valid the consent argument is.

                    Installing CCleaner today, Avast Antivirus attempted to do exactly this. It's standard practice within the freeware/shareware scene.

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                        ·  7 years ago 

                      Did it install CE or something else?

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