"I'm a BOINCer, not a Miner" How I Built Two GridCoin/BOINC Powerhouses

in gridcoin •  8 years ago  (edited)

(This is my first post on Steemit -- I'm happy to be a part of this great platform!)

I'm not a nerd, okay? Well, let me be specific: I'm not a computer nerd. Not that there's anything wrong with that. I want to get that out of the way, because while I'm proud of these machines, I'm still very much "in training," here.

I'm a Financial Analyst by trade and a web entrepreneur/passive income enthusiast by hobby. I'll tell you more about those things on a different day. Today I want to talk about my purpose-built BOINC machines.

Back in high school, I had a Physics teacher whose first name was literally Ron Jon. Not kidding. He was brilliant, and he had a way of always keeping me captivated. I wasn't really the science-y type in high school, but he had a way of captivating his students and I found myself particularly taken by his teaching style. One day, he told me about a project called SETI@Home where I could actually donate my computer's spare computing capability to help the SETI project out. Instantly, I was intrigued.

That was circa 2002...

Computesaurus Rex

Fast-forward to January of 2017 and I finally decided it was time to build my second computer. The first one had served its purpose (which was to allow me to play SimCity, in case you were curious) and it was time to put my old AMD FX-6300 and HD-7970 out to pasture. Well... I sold it to a guy on CraigsList, actually for $200.

I wanted to build something powerful. I wanted to join SETI@Home and quickly be one of the top computers in the project. After a bit of research, I built this guy, which I lovingly refer to as Computesaurus Rex...

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Key Specs:

  • Ryzen 1800x CPU (8-core, 16-thread)
  • Asus Crosshair VI Motherboard
  • 32 GB RAM @3000mhz
  • (2) GTX 1070 GPUs @1910mhz boost (One ROG and one EVGA)
  • 128 GB Samsung M.2 SSD
  • 750-watt EVGA Platinum PSU

True to my intentions, I joined SETI@Home and through working with their amazing community I had my rig in the top 100 machines within about a month. I even founded a team for other Ryzen CPU-based builds and had it in the top 40 teams.

I kept hearing about GridCoin but I was doing so well running my Ryzen SETI team that the requirement to join the GridCoin team was a temporary deal-breaker. I figured I would see what the potential was of my team first, and then once the team started to slide (happens to every new team) I would take a look at this GridCoin stuff.

A few months later, I had reached a crossroads in my BOINCing: with $50/month being spent on electricity, I was either going to have to cut my BOINC contributions in half or less, or I needed to see if I could at least earn the cost of electricity through GridCoin.

So, off to GridCoin I went.

Time to Set Up GridCoin

Being a Finance professional, my investments have strictly been on Wall Street. I had heard of CryptoCurrencies like BitCoin and Ethereum and I had heard of this thing called "mining" but I didn't really understand it and I generally don't put my money in investments I don't understand. With that said, this was very much out of my comfort zone.

I got the GridCoin wallet set up in about 5 minutes. Being as I was already BOINCing anyway, all I had to do was leave my beloved Ryzen team and join the GridCoin team. Just like that, I'm all set up.

I had to go through the process of acquiring some GridCoins, since I read the more you have, the more often you stake and the more often you get paid. I figured I could just take $1,000 I was going to put into stocks that month and instead buy GridCoins. After a couple hours of painful research, I figured out the way "AltCoins" work is you've got to purchase BitCoin or Ethereum with FIAT money through a service like CoinBase, and then send the BitCoin to a different exchange where you could sell it to acquire the AltCoin you desire.

I was floored at how quickly money travels between exchanges. I was even more floored that it was about 9:00pm and the exchanges were open. That's weird, right? (I would later learn that CryptoCurrency exchanges just never close... huh)

Then I got Paid!

Fast-forward a few days of crunching and more than a few helpful tips from the kind folks over at the GridCoin subreddit and I received my first payment. I had a Magnitude of 120 and I had earned 1.06 GRC.

I was hooked. I earned 19 GRC the next day, and then 20 the day after, and then 38, and then 40.

You get it.

At this point I was dedicated fully to SETI@Home and I knew that was one of the more competitive projects that earns each individual the fewest amount of GridCoin. I questioned the GridCoin subreddit to find out what I was giving up by not optimizing projects. If I wanted to earn at least the cost of electricity, I would at least need to double my daily GRC earnings.

User Vortac (a prominent GridCoin miner/investor) was kind enough to give me some ideas on how to earn more GridCoin, and he estimated I could essentially quadruple my earnings by simply selecting different projects.

Through his advice, I was able to take my 145 Magnitude and jump to a 500 Magnitude in a matter of days. All the while, the value of GridCoin was surging from the $0.04 I originally purchased at to upwards of $0.06. I started to do the math and figured out that not only could I exceed the cost of my electricity, but I could exceed it by potentially a couple hundred dollars per month.

Then I had an idea...

The Computable Hulk

Why don't I just go all-in on this thing? I love the concept of putting my computing resources to good use and making a little money on the side for my efforts, and I had so much fun building Computesaurus Rex... let's just take this party up another gear! How about I build I similar computer with a little more GPU horsepower?

First, I had to think of a good name for the computer, and how am I supposed to beat Computesaurus Rex? What could beat up a T-Rex, right?

THE INCREDIBLE HULK COULD BEAT UP A T-REX, THAT'S WHO.

So "The Computable Hulk" was born in concept. I took what I had learned about power usage and computing, accepted the fact that the Crypto-Miners have all the AMD RX-480 graphics cards, and I ordered all my equipment.

After I double-checked with the wife, of course. Believe me, that was a weird conversation after I had just spent over $3,000 building a computer a few months ago.

So let me walk you through the painful (but fun) process of building The Computable Hulk (and yes, I'm going to keep calling it that. That's his name).

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(This is my messy "office" area in the basement. There's C-Rex down there in the corner on the right, and all my parts randomly scattered all over the desk behind it)

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(Here's the obligatory "glamour shot," where I've got the CPU seated, the RAM installed, and it's still in the fancy ASUS motherboard box)

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(If two GTX 1070's was good for C-Rex, then how about three GTX 1080's for The C-Hulk?)

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(The naked insides of the beautiful Corsair 760T case. Same as C-Rex. I am a creature of habit)

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(Got the front all opened up. Getting ready to install the BD-RW Drive)

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(Got the 1,200 watt Corsair Platinum PSU seated. It was surprisingly difficult to get ahold of a 1,200 watt PSU. My guess is the miners have been eating up the stock of these as well)

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(My ADD got the best of me. Back to the BD-RW.)

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(The CPU cooler radiator went in without a hitch. This is why I chose the same parts as my previous build. It's amazing how much quicker the second build in three months goes.)

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(Motherboard seated -- no problem!)

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(Fast forward a week, and I've finally got all three of the GPUs umm... "seated" where I want them. More narrative on that below)

So, it turns out while the Asus Crosshair VI does have three PCIE 16x slots, the third slot is too close to the second to allow a third GPU to go there. I initially used a PCIE riser to seat the second GPU lower and space it out, but then it was sitting directly on the PSU and heat was instantly a problem.

Solution? I went to the hardware store and picked up a few things. A few metal brackets and some zip ties and I've got a third GPU in my case where the hard drives would go if I wasn't using an M.2 SSD. I'm still waiting on a riser cable (being shipped from China since those, too, are all out of stock) so I can actually hook it up and get that third GPU running.

Key Specs of The Computable Hulk:

  • Ryzen 1800x CPU (8-core, 16-thread)
  • Asus Crosshair VI Motherboard
  • 32 GB RAM @3000mhz
  • (3) GTX 1080 GPUs @1998mhz boost
  • 500GB Samsung EVO 850 M.2 SSD
  • 1,200-watt Corsair Platinum PSU

This second machine --even though I've only been running the two GTX 1080 GPUs so far-- is a BOINCing beast... or Hulk, as it were. My Magnitude on GridCoin has exploded to 960 and I suspect it will continue growing for another couple weeks at least, particularly when I get that third GPU running early this week. I crossed the 200 GRC/day barrier earlier this week. Things are going well!

My Affinity for BOINCing, and Why It's Not Mining

First off, I have nothing against Crypto-miners. Everybody in the gaming/PC world is angry at them right now because they're hoarding all the high-end parts, but I think that's silly. The sustainability of Crypto-mining has the potential to add millions to the R&D of PC part manufacturers. They will catch up with demand eventually, and all will be good in the world again.

With that said, I rarely refer to what my computers are doing as "mining." I am contributing computing resources to scientific projects through BOINC, and the fact that I'm able to earn GridCoin on the side is simply what allows me to amp up my efforts with multiple, powerful machines. It is my hope that when GridCoin removes the team requirement on BOINC, hundreds of thousands of my fellow BOINCers will see it that way and will join me.

What's Next?

I've got some ideas. There's a good chance The Computable Hulk gets parted out sometime within the next six months and rebuilt on the AMD Ryzen Threadripper CPU and the X399 platform. There's a 16-core, 32-thread version that I think could be fun to play with.

Steemit Friends: Thanks for reading my first Steemit post. I will update this soon once I get the third GPU hooked up and I start seeing some results. If you've got questions or comments, let me know!

~XaqFields

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Very well executed post and informative - a warm welcome to @gridcoin family. Looking forward to see how many WUs you will complete over time. Thank you for using BOINC and help out.

Thank you for the warm welcome!

Great first post @xaqfields! Upvoted & Resteemed, keep up the great work! :)

Ahh, CustomMiner! Your reputation precedes you, my man. I've heard about your work with GridCoin --- many thanks!

Hi , I am also a BOINCer. I am trying to setup grc mining on my MacBook so I can make some money while helping science.

I am struggling with the GRC miner for mac. Do you know if it works on a mac ? I can see that the windows support is much better.

Appreciate your help..

Welcome to steemit excellent first post and great to see another BOINCer / Gridcoiner here.

Lovely rig you have there, Im also tempted by Threadripper and my Gridcoin profits are burning a hole in my pocket too :)

Upvoted, resteemed and followed you.

Thanks a bunch! I think we've chatted a bit on Reddit as your username seems familiar. Great to be connected on here!

I almost want to build a ThreadRipper machine just to play with it. I'm not sure it's a great decision in terms of getting a return on my money quickly, but I think I could eke out a return on it and have a lot of fun in the process.

That's beyond cool. You have a goal in mind how many grc you want to get to? That's a really cool setup. I'm jealous!

Well I would love to hit about 1,000 USD per month roughly as sort of my "magic" number. So at the current prices for GRC I would need ~425 GRC/day. I think once I get my 3rd GTX 1080 up and running, I should be getting pretty close. If I can't get it with my current two machines, I'm pretty sure upgrading to ThreadRipper this fall should get me there, but we'll see :-)

Great post! Glad to find another Gridcoin member here. Followed you :)

Thanks for reading and following!

  ·  8 years ago (edited)

Epic first post, @xaqfields! A true Gridcoin success story, bound to be an inspiration to many.

Well, no wonder Gridcoin team has recently zoomed past Aggie The Pew on Primegrid leaderboards :)
http://www.primegrid.com/top_teams.php

And we've got a new team leader too:
http://www.primegrid.com/team_members.php?teamid=4469&offset=0&sort_by=expavg_credit

haha - indeed! And I think my RAC is only about 50% of where it'll end up on that project. I've gotta figure my #1 spot will be temporary, though. With the rise of GRC value as of late, it's only a matter of time before somebody with deeper pockets than me gets in the game.

And that'll be just fine ;-)

  ·  8 years ago (edited)

Hey xaqfields, I just realized you are running cudaPPSsieve on your computers. Perhaps you should try switching to OpenCL, it's usually up to 20% faster than CUDA. Install Nvidia drivers with OpenCL support from here and BOINC should automatically request OpenCL work then.

Similar story here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/gridcoin/comments/6fdn0k/checking_to_see_if_my_earnings_are_on_par_with

EDIT: Nah, it appears Open CL isn't supported for PPS Sieve on Nvidia, just for GFN. Too bad, it woud probably yield better performance. Something to look ahead for.

awesome report on your passion. great pics. so tell me - you think its worth it for a guy to mine with just a regular old windows machine? I have a few sitting around....

Well it depends on the machine. You probably wouldn't make a lot of GRC unless you had a good video card on it, but something is better than nothing, eh? I've seen guys mining ~20 GridCoins per day (about $1.50 or so) and be pretty happy about it. haha

Welcome to the platform, I wish everything work out for you. It’s not easy here but not difficult neither but just ask an extra effort, engagement is the key good luck I’m @goodaytraders Start by following people and they will do the same.

Thanks!

I'm a little envious of your Computer system, but have decided that's the computer I'm going to be aiming for next time I upgrade.

Let me know if you have any questions. I'd be happy to share a parts list with you.

I can't recommend the Ryzen 1800x enough. The budget-conscious would choose the R7 1700 because it's a fair bit cheaper and you can overclock it to similar levels. The reason I stuck with the 1800x was because I wanted to be sure I could hit at least 3.9-4.0ghz stable for BOINCing. You can get there with the 1700, too, but since it has a lower base clock you might get unlucky and only be able to overclock it to 3.7 or so. Not a big deal.

Sounds good. Thank-you; I've hit follow and put your name down to come back to when I reach payday. I've actually decided that I'm going to try and use Steemit to fund my Gridcoin obsession.

I still prefer AMD as a mining/BOINC GPU. Much more competitive on the price/performance market. But I agree NVIDIA has some other neat stuff and
it is also broadenly used on research projects, mainly due support from NVIDIA.

Indeed -- if there weren't a shortage of RX 480 GPUs, I would have used 3-4 of those instead of my 1080's. That would have allowed me to allocate that second machine to a different project. I could ultimately end up with AMD GPUs if/when the supply issue gets better but I'm of the belief that this recent boom in mining isn't going to end suddenly like it has in the past. I think the only way supply of those Polaris cards is going to get better is by AMD churning out more cards over time.

Hello! Welcome!

600Mag with one comp? I only get to 200 and I have an R7 1700 and more then a dozen atoms running O.o

Experiment with some different projects. Full disclosure: I am on PrimeGrid for the GPUs and YAFU for the CPUs.

YAFU is "hit or miss" for people, even with Ryzen CPUs. I think in order for it to be a good project, you have to be running 100% 24-7 like I am. The great thing about YAFU is it doesn't use all your cores as they have 4 core and 8 core projects (disable the 16-core projects in the project settings otherwise it will steal all the cores you need to run your GPU) and so it's only ever using either 8 or 12 of your 16 cores, meaning you have enough cores left over to use the computer while it's crunching away and not notice any bogging down.

Those YAFU tasks sometimes take up to 24 hours to run on Ryzen so it takes a lot of patience. If you let it crunch for several days, you'll find out some of the tasks are paying out 50,000+ Cobblestones after they're done with their 20+ hour runs.

Yafu??

I had it running last year but it was not good Mag wise and not my favorite type. I cannot imagine you make that much with it now O.o

What a great story! I wish I had your skill to build something like that. pretty impressive.

Hey man, i loved to read your hardware journey. Youre saying that youre not a nerd but hats off and respect - some people call me a nerd and i wouldnt be able to get that kind of machines running part time. I wanna learn more and maybe copy your setup :)) in return you can copy my setup instruction for rented dedi servers on linux - i am testing the profitability right now (but anyway, i dont mind to pay more than the current exchange rate as in any case its increasing the karma balance :)) followed you and waiting for more cool stuff like this article. Have a nice day! lxp

An absolutely great first post, and I love those builds and names. Yeah, I BOINC too for Team Gridcoin. We get to blame @vortac for a lot of things, I blame him and a couple others for getting me to be active on Steemit.

Yeah, that's it, I'm doing it....oh god, this is gonna hurt.....must build new machine. Your first machine build was so impressive, first one I built was around the time processors broke the 1 GHz wall. I must re-learn.

Hello @xaqfields, i found this post via google, its very interesting. Any news, any new projects?