Mir scheint, "Bildbegehung" ist ein ständiger Wechsel.
Zwischen Psychographie und dem Verfolgen von Ideen.
I think "picture walking" is something like perpetual change between psychography and following ideas.
RE: Hilla Lilla & Hildebrandr 2
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Hilla Lilla & Hildebrandr 2
When using an artist's painting, there is a subjacent story to interpret. Of course we can totally subvert the theme, which is what I usually do, however, only in the case of a totally abstract painting, would I go into random psychographic writing. If there is a story in the picture, it's usually a good symbolic depart to the building of a written scene.
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Is there anything like that?
Or is it nevertheless possible to see something since I am trained to see something?
Let's think of Malevich's "Black Sqare", for example.
Maybe the artist intended me to see nothing, i.e. the absence of God and of Saints.
But can I not see something black like a Holy Bible or like the glance into a tunnel of a coal mine?
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I don't believe the artist's intentions to be consequential. What matters is the reader and the images conjured up in his mind by the symbolic. It really doesn't matter if the interpretation is born out of personal experience or training, or out of what Jung called the collective unconscious. Wether the source is interior as based in personal experience, or exterior, through some Godly or Morphogenetic Field channel that I can perceive but not assure, symbols awake in us the recognition of meaning and, to describe this output is not the same as chaotically throw words into a page, expecting it to form meaning.
Interpretation belogs to the reader, not the author.
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This credo seems too simple to me.
We don't need a theory of art in daily life, but we cannot avoid from having theorems and presumptions. To give them a form, a Gestalt, in order to communicate them, must not be intermingled with constructing theories.
Thus I'm inclined to say:
Interpretation belongs nor to the reader nor to the author but to both in some sense. Interpretation is not a possession but a communication process, and as such never finishable.
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You can see it that way, but the "filter" matters, and I don't see a piece of literary creation as a dialogue. It most certainly is a monologue with manyfold interpretations, just as a piece of art is. Now: when you talk about the body of work of an author, that becomes an entirely different issue.
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I don't think it's arbitrary.
Nevertheless it IS.
This is exactly what I deny.
Not understood - no interpretation from my side...
To interprete and being interpreted is not only the main thin in communication but in all subject-object-relations. We interprete some parts of 'nature' as something, and 'nature' does the same with mankind.
'Art' is part of 'nature', believe it or not. To encounter a piece of art means to be interpreted by that piece. You can best learn it in music, and I do not speak of Pop: Beethoven interpretes me, and Ligeti does in another way.
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Oh man! This will be a long and deep discussion where we will probably end up agreeing to disagree, but I will love it anyway, as you seem to be one of the brightest minds I have yet came across and I enjoy discussing interesting subjects with intelligent people. :)
I'll make my argument in a proper article and call that to your attention. It will be too long for a comment and I believe others may profit from additional exposure to this our conversation. It will happen later today, as now, I have to go check out a patient, but you won't go unanswered.
Maybe we should create a philosohers community. lol
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...at your service
;-)
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First we should look out for existing ones.
Maybe then we will have reason to...
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@ty-ty... I try to go through life eliminating the excess in things. This includes the excess in my credos. The simpler, the leaner, the cleaner, the better.
I'm not looking for followers. And, though, at first sight that "credo", as you call it, may look simplistic, I can assure you it is not. You just have to think a little bit about the implications to realize the depth of perception it implies.
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You may retire on your island, but I would be sad.
It still does. Maybe I'm wrong in this perception.
So - I have misinterpreted your phrase.
And now - it's up to you to give me your interpretation of what you meant.
qed
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