Statement: 0.22.5

therealwolf (75) in hive-111111 • 5 years ago (edited)

For the past 2 1/2 years, I've been devoted to Steem. But seemingly, this doesn't matter.

@justinsunsteemit, just took it into his own hands to vote in 20 own witnesses, backed by Binance & Huobi, with a statement that the SF 222 was malicious.

I fully disagree about the SF being malicious.

It was an attempt to uphold Steemit Inc (now owned by Tron) on their words & social contracts, they've given me and many other developers, entrepreneurs and Steem enthusiasts.

@ned & Steemit Inc. have proven that they were incapable of getting shit done and left it to their community to bring value to their project.

And when we, the community, finally thought, we'd see light at the end of the tunnel, we're being brought back into 2016. A Steem which is being controlled by a single entity.

I don't think of it as an absolutely negative thing, but based on the past 4 years, this is a major punch in the face.

Why did the community spent years on marketing & improving Steem, just for the useless founder to get a nice payday?

Steem would be nothing without its community of developers, entrepreneurs & creators.

Do you really think that Steem wouldn't have tanked far more and lost far more users, if projects like SteemMonsters wouldn't have kept people around, on Steem?

Look, I have nothing against Justin Sun (I was actually quite optimistic of finally Steem getting the change it needed) and I've always disagreed with forking out anyones stake (forking !== freezing).

But I also disagree with how we, the community contributors, are being treated.

So, for now, I've shutdown SteemApps.com and Smartsteem.com.

hive-111111 steem tron

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alexvanaken (66) · 5 years ago

Only took @justinsunsteemit a couple weeks to literally ruin everything 👏

wakeupkitty (75) · 5 years ago (edited)

He ruined it? In which way? He bought a sinking ship and from the first minute on he was blamed for everything @ned did!
Who actually gave him a chance? Instead a fork was stabbed in his back.

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alexvanaken (66) · 5 years ago

Ned literally didn’t do shit. At any point in time. Nothing good, nothing bad. Ned was literally a ghost. Justin buys Steemit and immediately announces a token swap as if that is what the community wants and then it was all downhill from there

wakeupkitty (75) · 5 years ago

The "problem" is it's his right as an owner and there's not much you can change about that. The fact is it is not realized yet and there was a meeting planned. Instead, he became a hostile welcome and motion of distrust.
Ned might have done nothing but that is not Justin his mistake, neither the fact ned filled his pockets, let Steemit bleeding and sold it.
I wonder what you would have done if you were the new owner, you received this frozen hostile welcome. I understand people are disappointed, angry, afraid etc but you can not blame @justinsunsteemit for it. He didn't start a war with an announcement only and didn't ruin Steemit either. Those who visited Steem(it) daily, wrote and commented are punished most. I hope something good, preferable better comes out of it.

I never saw an option to swap Steem to Tron. Is this done automatically?
If so Tron can be changed against Steem again if not here somewhere else.

I hope we all will, especially the small fish, lose everything.
I wish you luck here or elsewhere. Thanks for your answer. 💕

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ultravioletmag (73) · 5 years ago

I honestly hVnt followed this and didn’t even realise till today but I honestly feel steemit has improved the last week or so. Whoever is making changes at least there are some happening. The whole time I’ve been on steemit I havnt seen one change and then suddenly the user face becomes much more user friendly in days. This multiple photo upload and a few other things shows at least something being done.

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wakeupkitty (75) · 5 years ago

I used partiko that was user friendly. I am a mobile blogger only and there's hardly a way left for me to join now.

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ultravioletmag (73) · 5 years ago

Yeah I remember partiko being much better I just can’t take all the apps on my phone and had to remove a lot. They should rly change the interface on web to something more like partiko. Ono actually had a better user system.

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wakeupkitty (75) · 5 years ago

@ultravioletmag I hope someone will. I wish for something easy to work with daily. It's hard to keep all the apps needed on your phone. I struggle with my memory too. If you remove an app and install it new it saves memory too. I wish you a great day. 💕

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ultravioletmag (73) · 5 years ago (edited)

I don’t follow so much who is in charge of making the changes but I definitely blame the fact nothing got done with it and it’s hard to use over people being lazy. There should be photos of your friends coming up on the side like Facebook. All I see on the main feed is really people talking about steem or the people with the most followers arguing about it. I’m more interested in seeing beautiful photography and art or spiritual posts but to try and find anything I like is like searching for a needle in a hay stack.

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wakeupkitty (75) · 5 years ago

You could follow communities about photography or tags #photofeed #shadowcontest #shadowhunters #takeapic #blackandwhite @olivia08 and @heartbeat1515 host a contest and there are photographers you can follow too. They joined a weekly contest too.
I believe there's dailypetphotography too and #featheredfriday and #caturday
I once wrote about it (tips) with my other account @wakeupkitty.pal

Before I used the dapp Appics. You post photos with it and add a bit text. I can't now because my connection is too slow. I really like this app. I believe you have to go to appics.com to ask for it.

I agree the posts I see in the past three days are not of my interest either. Witnesses, fights, scolding etc

It's better to focus on something else.

heartbeat1515 (62) · 5 years ago

Thank you for mentioning my contest here. I would love to have more participants.

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wakeupkitty.pal (71) · 5 years ago

Generally speaking or for this one? Pity your contest is similar as @olivia08 hers otherwise you could host (if text is used 200 words or 3 photos) it as a CCC contest too. 💕

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ultravioletmag (73) · 5 years ago

Yeah I saw there is now communities havnt really figured it out yet I did follow some but I still don’t see related things on my feed. I follow some competitions but it just becomes a pain remembering the links and manually typing them in all the time. I just feel there could be a few tweaks to the interface that would make a huge difference in keeping people engaged. Esp lazier ppl like me! If I go on my news feed it’s not even my friends it’s jsjt random people promoting steem and people arguing or crypto predictions. I’m sure some people like these posts but it’s going to put off a huge potential audience. Steep shot used to be a decent interface but it stopped working properly on my phone. I literally have no space for apps could maybe do one low memory one max.

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ultravioletmag (73) · 5 years ago

I tend to find a tag or something and use it and think about it then forget it I just think there needs to be a favourites bar or soenthing or a top friends or relevant reminders in news feed I can’t believe how little has changed to make it better over the years only change I ever saw was the logo became worse.

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wakeupkitty (75) · 5 years ago

@ultravioletmag You could search on a friend's name that is what I do or I follow a certain tag and read what is new. Never trending but new. ❤️

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namiks (64) · 5 years ago

Fuck Justin. What a disgusting piece of shit.

wakeupkitty (75) · 5 years ago

And you are a great steemian? If it comes to "a piece of shit" what about @ned or the rest who filled their pockets over the backs of many writers?

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asimpleman (45) · 5 years ago

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sn0n (60) · 5 years ago

This argument is what every open source programmer could say about Amazon and other big box companies using their free and open software to make millions... Yet somehow, it's not always the case.

We build tools then toys because we love the sandbox

The capitalizing on open source developers hard work is an ongoing battle in the open source world,..
and well, from a philisophical standpoint, it's a losing one.

If you didn't want something to happen to the toy, you shouldn't have put the toy on public display

People like to break things others have made, sometimes it's to make it better, sometimes it's more malicious.... Who's to say, we aren't in their mind, we must wait until we've calmed down, and ask the 2 yr old, why they did what they did. It's that simple....

Investigation of facts, not assumptions. Also, knowing history is important.

Idk, I'm as shook as you honestly, but trying to be mindful of the past all the while.

wakeupkitty (75) · 5 years ago

Who is the two year old?

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chromiumone (62) · 5 years ago

To my understanding the exchanges powered up a ton of liquid Steem that belonged to their clients and voted with it.
Is this legal ?? This Steem is now locked up and will take 13 weeks to power down. What happens if their clients want to remove their Steem ??
Want to make a bet that the new witnesses do a fork to allow a quick power down ?
Seems to me that Sun and the exchanges have exposed themselves to a fair amount of legal trouble and depending on the country, criminal charges as well as being a giant bag of dicks.

allmonitors (74) · 5 years ago

HF to 1-3days power down source-
https://steemit.com/tron/@steemitblog/an-open-letter-to-the-community-hf22-5

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chromiumone (62) · 5 years ago

Thanks for the info @allmonitors lol
I missed that post but saw that coming, can't have that Steem that the exchanges unethically/illegally powered up and voted with locked up for 13 weeks.

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bue (53) · 5 years ago

try to get everybody to withdraw steem from exchange. that is all we can do to help steem network

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transcript-junky (63) · 5 years ago

Yup. That's what you get for doing business with "The Chinese" (especially ones whose dapp focus is gambling (with totally shady (scammy) features (I've now analyzed several of them since the takeover). As soon as I have a Chinese person (from mainland China, specifically) had bought Steem I hit that giant "power-down" button with vigor, as a precaution. Now my only hope is that the system remains functional for long enough to get my remainig 12 weekly power-down payouts, which I will put into @Splinterlands. If Steemit survives I will still use it for the communities, and to make a little money for Splinterlands cards. I think dapps like Splinterlands are ultimate the BEST thing that came out of this platform (in terms of long-term viability).

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mtl1979 (50) · 5 years ago

There is bad Chinese people and there is bad Russian people... But there is also good people from those countries... All my projects so far have been funded by Chinese investors, never had problems with them as long as I have talked Chinese with them... Try talking English with them and you become nobody...

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transcript-junky (63) · 5 years ago

All I will say in response is: I wonder what the world would be like without 'The Chinese"? (define that term however you would like). And judging from history, I am not the first to WONDER about such issue (define that statement however you would like)...

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mtl1979 (50) · 5 years ago

USA wouldn't exist and instead of the big US companies we know now there would be more big Chinese, Taiwanese and Singaporean companies.

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jaybird (72) · 5 years ago

Seems like he basically did exactly what the top 20 witnesses (that the community voted in) tried to prevent... Sound like you guys had the right idea in mind trying to protect us!

chesatochi (72) · 5 years ago

The best thing is just to split and continue our chain as usual.

novacadian (58) · 5 years ago

Without a solution to majority stake holder buy in's we would be just setting ourselves up for more of the same.

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hans001 (57) · 5 years ago

Yeah what you could do is instead of top 20 top 50 voting with an equal vote. But it's too late steem is gone tron is gone the exchanges involved are gone because it's all based upon trust and not 1 person control..

This isn't anymore it's clear all money and time everybody spend is gone like the bitconnect fiasco where 4 billion dollar evaporated.

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novacadian (58) · 5 years ago

Yeah what you could do is instead of top 20 top 50 voting with an equal vote

Other Steemians have, recently, come to my attention who have voiced interesting ideas of moving forward with governance development.

My guess is that once the community is on the other side of this standoff that lessons learned will be coded into the Law.

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oldtimer (75) · 5 years ago

Not more of the same but much worse.

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dotwin1981 (68) · 5 years ago

Gute Entscheidung.
Hoffe es ziehen einige mit und machen ihre Projekte erst mal zu, damit die "Obrigkeit" mal sieht, wer hier eigenltich Steem am laufen hällt!

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tyramisoux (55) · 5 years ago (edited)

Mich flasht es aber auch total, dass es mal eben überhaupt möglich ist, da irgendwelche Accounts/stake einzufrieren?! Oder hatte ich das falsch verstanden? Ist ja eigentlich nicht Sinn und Zweck einer Blockchain und wäre auch ein guter Grund da nicht weiter d'rauf zu vertrauen dass das save ist.
Nicht jeder hat die Möglichkeiten, sich dann derart dagegen zu wehren.

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dotwin1981 (68) · 5 years ago

Hi.

Das hatte ich anfangs auch gedacht, dass es gruselig ist, dass man andere "einfach" so das Konto Stilllegen kann. Doch da es eine großteilige Einigung der dicken Wittness dazu braucht wird so was nicht jede Woche mal aus Spaß gemacht.

Und wenn wir unseren gewählten Wittness ned vertrauen können, dann sollten wir mal überlegen ob man noch auf der richtigen Plattform ist. :)

Doch was jetzt von Sun abgezogen wird, hat mit Demokratie bzw. Dezentralisiertem Netz nichts mehr zu tun, das ist massiv eine Community Anal Fisten.

!BEER

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tyramisoux (55) · 5 years ago (edited)

Ja, der setzt dem Ding ja noch eines drauf: Die obersten Witnesses hat er da mal eben platziert. Sicher "Selbstverteidigung". Konnte er sich ja auch nicht gefallen lassen. Aber damit ist das Argument, dass es eine Einigung braucht, wieder relativiert. Müssen sich dann nur die einigen, die man selbst dahingesetzt hat. Das ist wesentlich einfacher :-)
die Vorteile einer Blockchain damit ad absurdum geführt.

die obersten 20 Witnesses mit je 3 Votes ins Amt geschickt
https://steemian.info/witnesses?

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michelcamacaro (63) · 5 years ago

Remember, the people whit more money its the most dirty!

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preparedwombat (70) · 5 years ago

Steem is dead. Stick a fork in it. Long live Steem Classic.

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sumit1998 (66) · 5 years ago

Justin think he is an mastermind who make everything right but literally he is fool and he is nothing but playing with his millions of invested in steem and at the end he just want an another pump in tron so that he can sell more tron at high price

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chekohler (70) · 5 years ago

Damn, this has really got out of hand, I knew it wasn't going to be a smooth transition but not like this. It's total chaos now, so the town hall was all BS!

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vikisecrets (68) · 5 years ago

Whoa, was just wandering what happened to steemapps, then read the opwn letter and now this. Hope we can somehoe de-escalate the whole shit. But on the positive side we and also the crypto community are learning a lesson also how exchanges are misusing their power and voting with customer funds.

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shmoogleosukami (54) · 5 years ago

Well shit..

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masterthematrix (60) · 5 years ago

Als Hardcore Steemian wuerde ich sagen dass wir alles bekommen haben was wir wollten. Communities und SMTs werden noch fertiggestellt und jetzt liefert Justin Sun die Vorlage um endlich den Ninja mined Steem Anteil aus der Blockchain zu forken.
Was uebrig bleibt ist der Hardcore Steemian User mit einer besseren dezentralen Infrastruktur welche endlich nur von den Usern kontrolliert wird.
SMTs und Communities bieten viel Entfaltungsmoeglichkeiten fuer die Zukunft um diese neue Chain weiterzuentwickeln.

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gabbynhice (66) · 5 years ago

Ok. I am not a developer not even a good content creator.
But lets see what we have:

We have a tron developers and steemit inc. Team.
Justin sun have money to make nice changes
With this move he make the platform more centralized for sure, but if he wanna sucess and he make those positive changes what steemitblog mentioned in the roadmap than it means millions of users will join so they will have a steem power as well so this situation where we are now should not takes long.
This is how i understand the situation but maybe i am wrong.

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bmanmcfly (47) · 5 years ago

"Why did the community spent years on marketing & improving Steem, just for the useless founder to get a nice payday?"

The platform was always designed for that purpose. It was obvious.

If this was about attracting users with a well designed platform meant for user experience, the issues would have been addressed back in 2018 when these issues became undeniable.

Remember when the whole game was buying votes from bots?

Don't worry, Justin has an excellent track record of making good profits while sucking the life out of his investments.

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mtl1979 (50) · 5 years ago

So Justin Sun is gonna do exit scam with Steem/Steemit... Hoard as many coins as possible and then dump all of them on exchange and convert to other cryptocurrencies or cash out... Before rest of the users can cash out, he contacts exchanges and asks them to stop Steem deposits and withdrawals and only allow use of the Tron-based Steem token.

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bmanmcfly (47) · 5 years ago

Unfortunately, I'm not a mind reader or able to predict the future.

What you're suggesting is not a huge stretch. Consider, only about 0.000035% of users are whales (was using older numbers I found, but most recent results I could find, but less than 40 users).

The main point was that the platform was always about making profits, more than creating a platform that could attract users and fulfill on the promise of what the platform could deliver. If I was wrong, the usability issues would have been addressed, the issues of manipulating the system would have been blocked, and the focus of expansion would have been on improving systems deepening the functionality instead of spreading wide across a series of 'dapps' most of which are varying degrees of functional.

The results are pretty clear (when we can find metrics) that the platform has been on a downward spiral, fewer users, fewer comments, fewer posts, fewer rewards. I feel bad for anyone who is more invested in the platform than as a free hosting service for a blog.

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mtl1979 (50) · 5 years ago

I think Justin Sun and Donald Trump are a lot like... Both are business men that try to run the world like it's a yet another corporation.

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grintsch (54) · 5 years ago

I admired the initial (calm and well-thought) reactions from the community, including the SF. The more I'm now shocked by this severe step that @justinsunsteemit and the exchanges have taken. The backlash is already big, but will grow much bigger with more time.

Blockchains, as much as token holders like to think that, don't belong to token holders. They are owned by the people running and using it. Should there be a HF with no Steemit stake, any user could decide by themselves which one they prefer. I believe there would be a ton of users supporting this. Not suggesting that to happen, though, there are still other ways to save Steem.

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notconvinced (59) · 5 years ago

I disagreed with the softfork, but agree with your current action.

I think we need to fork with some big changes. Here are what I'd like to see happen.

We need to scrap the witness hierarchy, increase the nodes to an infinite number and eliminate weighted stakes for voting on governance issues. This would make Steem or the forked version truly decentralized and this type of coup would not happen again.

Nodes, not witnesses.

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atma.love (56) · 5 years ago

Can we fork out, reverting to previous version?

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sn0n (60) · 5 years ago

It's much more complicated then that...
But yes. LoL

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asimpleman (45) · 5 years ago

For the past 2 1/2 years, I've been devoted to Steem. But seemingly, this doesn't matter.

lol you have been devoted to gathering as much Steem for yourself, as you possibly could. Nothing else.

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skramatters (66) · 5 years ago

This exactly! Go fork yourself wolf

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martie7 (62) · 5 years ago

If the fork does happen, will everyone get a share according to their stake? What will the exchanges say about such an action?

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pangoli (69) · 5 years ago

We'd have to find ways to relist them on those exchanges because they're essentially new coins.

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bue (53) · 5 years ago

try to get everybody to withdraw steem from exchange. that is all we can do to help steem network

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mehta (80) · 5 years ago

Sun is now WARMING the steem and crypto space. ....... with some old witnesses.
Anyone can reach at top 20 witness but they should have the power... steem power.

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oldtimer (75) · 5 years ago

In your post 8 days ago you said that you fully support soft fork. In this post, you said that you were always against forking or freezing anyone's stake.
what I'm missing here?

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skramatters (66) · 5 years ago

Nothing he has always been a duplicitous douche

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lacking (59) · 5 years ago

I respect and support your decision to shut down your apps in light of the recent actions taken by the Justin Sun crew formerly known as Steemit Inc.

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fionasfavourites (66) · 5 years ago

What a mess this all is. And the little fish are simply caught up in the turbulence which, I hope, will not turn into a rip current. I to hope that sanity will prevail. Not that I'm really sure what that is, in this instance. lol

All this does beg the question - in the context of a social network: Did he not consider that fact: social = people = conflict. Good and bad. Ignore it at your peril.

I will say that I was snowed - as were many and am grateful for witnesses who keep an eye on things - and the integrity of the blockchain. Thank you.

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ash (73) · 5 years ago

damn, really liked smartsteem... why not keep it online and point your node to the fork once available?

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arcange (73) · 5 years ago (edited)

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steemitcuration (67) · 5 years ago

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skramatters (66) · 5 years ago

Yep

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lucylin (67) · 5 years ago

^this^

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helpiecake (54) · 5 years ago

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wakeupkitty (75) · 5 years ago

It's your right to shutdown what is yours, take your money and run, invest in something else or buy beer and chocolate.

You can not blame @justinsunsteemit for the mess others made out of this platform nor for you not getting what you want or expected.

@nathanmars and many tried hard to make something good out of this platform. Not only those who developped an app, promoted Steem but especially all those writers who decided to stay, to keep writing although they do not have most benefit from it, are hardly noticed.

That soft fork was a dirty trick. You wouldn't like me to frozen your banksaccount etc either just because I fear you will get me or kick you out.

If a business is sold you know changes will be made and heads will roll/cut off.

It was your free choice to invest in this sinking ship, weeks ago a certain group here already knew Steemit would be sold, and it was my choice too to stay.

I will stay and see what @justinsunsteemit makes out of it. He has my trust, more as @ned had.

The witnesses with their soft fork created this situation. That's how I see it. They told Justin exactly what their fear was, what they would do and thought they could get away with it.

You can be disappointed because with your help you filled someone else's bankaccount but you knew that was the case, you know this platform way better as I and most steemians do.

I wish you luck with whatever you do or go.
💕

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wakeupkitty (75) · 5 years ago

@mtl1979 what a coward you are for voting freedom of speech. Thank you! 🥳

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mtl1979 (50) · 5 years ago

As a CEO of a cryptocurrency company, I have every right to vote... I have said many times lately that @ned isn't any better than @justinsunsteemit, but that doesn't mean Justin is a martyr.

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wakeupkitty (75) · 5 years ago

@mtl1979 Who says he is? Btw neither are the witnesses!
What your function is has nothing to do with the right of freedom of speech or voting.
Thank you for taking the time to answer and explain your downvote. I appreciate that. I wish you a great day.❤️

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mtl1979 (50) · 5 years ago

I was just saying that whatever new owner decides to do with Steemit and the blockchain behind it, affects every company that uses the platform for marketing and/or communicating with potential customers or associates.

Of course Justin Sun is not a martyr yet, but it is obvious the community tries to do everything they can so that Justin Sun can't do what is his right as owner of Steemit Inc. Every company has by law right to protect their property and assets.

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wakeupkitty (75) · 5 years ago

If it comes to the right of a company to protect it I only agree. If it comes to Justin I take my hat of for him. I have never read so much hate(ful posts/dpolls) in one week as in last week.
Sorry for the misunderstanding and thank you for keep answering/explaining it to me. I wish you a great Sunday. 💕

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culgin (71) · 5 years ago

I always believe that Steem should be a community-driven platform. Justin Sun's acquisition took Steem a few steps back from decentralized governance and now this happened. I think it will be difficult not to be disheartened by this recent development.

@tipu curate

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tipu (67) · 5 years ago

Upvoted 👌 (Mana: 0/15 - need recharge?)

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