Meine Meinung über die Übernahme habe ich ja schon einige Male hier und auf Twitter gepostet. Jetzt ist es wichtig, einen kühlen Kopf zu bewahren und an einer pragmatischen Lösung zu arbeiten, da die Witnesses derzeit in einer Patt-Situation stecken.
Hier ist mein Vorschlag:
#1
Wir akzeptieren, dass Justin Sun/Tron den Stake von Steemit Inc. gekauft hat und über diesen frei verfügen kann.
#2
Witnesses versprechen, den Stake von Steemit Inc. nicht mehr einzufrieren.
#3
Witnesses versprechen, eine Power-Down-Lösung für die Exchanges (Binance, Huobi, Poloniex) zu implementieren, um die Exchanges aus ihrer misslichen Lage zu retten.
#4
JS/Tron verspricht, die Witness-Votes zu entfernen und nicht mehr für Witnesses, SPS, oder Content zu voten und neutral zu bleiben.
#5
JS/Tron verspricht, den Stake hauptsächlich bis zu einem Exit für die Weiterentwicklung von Steem und Steemit und das Onboarding von neuen Usern zu verwenden.
Was haltet ihr von diesem pragmatischen Vorschlag? Denke, dass könnte eine Win-Win-Situation werden, auch wenn es schwierig ist nach all dem, was bisher passiert ist.
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I have already posted my opinion about the takeover here and on Twitter a few times. Now it's important to keep a cool head and work on a pragmatic solution as the Witnesses are currently in a gridlock situation.
Here is my proposal:
#1
We accept that Justin Sun/Tron has purchased the stake from Steemit Inc. and has free control over it.
#2
Witnesses promise not to freeze the stake from Steemit Inc.
#3
Witnesses promise to implement a power-down solution for the Exchanges (Binance, Huobi, Poloniex) to save the Exchanges from their unfortunate situation.
#4
JS/Tron promises to remove the Witnesses votes and no longer vote for Witnesses, SPS, or content and remain neutral.
#5
JS/Tron promises to use the stake mainly for the further development of Steem and Steemit and the onboarding of new users until he makes an exit.
What do you think of this pragmatic proposal? Think it could be a win-win situation, even though it's difficult after all that's happened so far.
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I am strongly against this measure. It would undermine the sanctity and impartiality of the blockchain. Giving special treatment to certain accounts for political reasons would set terrible precedent and do lasting damage to the integrity of the protocol.
I also don't see why the exchanges need this. They can initiate a power down and get 1/13 of their STEEM liquid in 1 week. Given that the run on the bank is probably only a small portion of their total deposits they should be able to cover all withdrawals within a couple weeks. In fact, they could almost have their first installment of liquid STEEM back had they done this immediately.
No special treatment on the protocol level!
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Yes, it feels a bit like bailung out corrupt banks 😂 something immutable blockchains wanted to prevent in the first place. Maybe compromise is to lower power down to 4 weeks for everybody, which has also been discussed before.
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I'm not convinced we need to change the power down at all. In fact, this situation shows why a long power down delay is beneficial. It's a disincentive for trading-entities (like exchanges) to make short-term interference is governance.
The exchanges powered up under a certain protocol. They should have known that Justin, a newcomer to the ecosystem, cannot promise a protocol hardfork giving them special treatment or making a major economic chain. They powered up with this knowledge.
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Definitely. Just posted some more thoughts in The best protocol level solution to the Tron takeover impasse: DO NOTHING. Would love your feedback!
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Already thought a bit about that, but I think doing nothing would not really help because our witnesses are also in a deadlock with the imminent risk exchanges to overthrow them again in order to execute Justin's plan. For a win-win we need to negotiate and make a deal in my opinion. Alternative is a contentious HF and fork JS/Tron/Steemit out, that would not be a win-win and will set us back several years with a high risk of complete failure.
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I like it, but #4 and #5 are fully based on trusting Justin. The witnesses would never agree to this. In the meantime I am convinced that they are afraid not so much about Justin, but that they will loose their privilegues (and income). I think it is all about money and not the best future of the chain. Remember HF21? This created more income for the whales but led to less posting activity and turned off many small accounts, didnt´t it?
Probably lawyers need to get involved to create a (smart?) contract where the next steps are laid out in detail.
BTW: Is Steemauto still offline?
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I agree that we should minimize the number of steps that require trust, especially trust of Justin Sun. Trust is what got us into this problem, because the community felt STINC had obligations that were not coded.
Frankly, I haven't been convinced by any of the historical materials that STINC made binding statements regarding exactly how they'd use their stake. Therefore, I think we should avoid freezing or encumbering this stake. At this point that the status quo.
In fact, the status quo is actually a fine solution. As long as Tron / Sun cannot obtain a super-majority of witnesses, the protocol remains as is, i.e. safe. There is still risk that Sun has liquid STEEM that could be powered up to regain complete witness control.
In this case, economic nodes should refuse to upgrade to hardforked software that the community doesn't support. Even if a Sun supermajority hard forks, there is no need for the community to adopt that protocol. Yes steemit.com would be running on a fork there'd be two blockchains.
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Everything is about the money on the Steem blockchain. Even the majority of the Steem users are selfish and greedy. Most of the posts on the Steem blockchain are either ignored or overlooked, because most of the users are focusing only on their own posts. Why would anyone expect any different from the leaders? And this is why the whole Steem blockchain is basically agonizing. Almost everything on the Steem blockchain is going down since months/years.
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I would not be that negative. There is a declining but still existing community, and still a huge potential for growth!
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agree but the german speaking community is probably a bit different. Much more real communication under the articles.
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I think Steemauto works again, at least there was a post that it's online again.
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Super Vorschlag, finde ich gut.
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Viel zu viele Versprechen. Das schafft zu viel Unsicherheit. Justin Sun hat so viel gelogen, dass ich ihm nicht mehr glaube. Da müssen technische Hürden eingebaut werden.
Aber auch ich bin der Meinung, dass man sich gütlich einigen muss. Justin Sun darf imo seinen Stake behalten. Aber er sollte vom Voten abgehalten werden. (wie, weiß ich noch nicht. Vielleicht sollte man nur einen Teil des Stake für eine Übergangszeit einfrieren). Die Exchanges sind selbst schuld. Die können einen Power Down machen. Die Leute heben da eh nicht so viel auf einmal ab. In 1-2 Wochen sind die wieder flüssig
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Ja, sehe ich auch so, aber eine Kooperation wird ohne Vertrauen kaum gehen, und JS/Tron ist mit der Übernahme von Steemit Inc. und dessen Stake zu einem DPOS-entscheidenden Player geworden, zumindest haben wir und er derzeit Veto-Rechte, aber die Lage kann sich jederzeit ändern und erzeugt auch Unsicherheiten, ohne mit JS/Tron zu verhandeln, sehe ich keine Win-Win-Situation, sondern Krieg und einen HF, der die Plattform Jahre zurückwerfen könnte mit einer großen Wahrscheinlichkeit komplett zu scheitern.
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Finde ich sehr interessant deine Vorschläge. Gerade weil Sun echt unter Druck ist. Ich glaube ihm ist im Moment nichts wichtiger als das der power-down für die exchanges auf 3 bis sieben Tage verkürzt wird. Er hat ja auch wieder was gepostet und direkt wieder gelöscht aber unser witness @satren hat das die Nacht noch zu Verfügung gestellt. Liebe Grüße Michael !invest_vote
https://steempeak.com/hive-121566/@satren/justin-sun-hat-wieder-einen-beitrag-geloescht
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Unter Druck mit seiner Porto/ Kaffekasse.
Wenn bei Steemit etwas passiert, möchte er nicht einmal direkt benachrichtig werden- hab ich aus einen Tweet.
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Ja ist schon echt merkwürdig dieser Mann . Nimm viel Geld in die Hand investiert in was was er nicht kennt und spielt dann den Beleidigten. Ich denke er wäre froh wenn er da ganz schnell wieder rauskommt . Kann er jetzt eigentlich nicht sein ne Ninja Coins nutzen um wieder neue witnesses zu wählen?
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Ich denke er hat schon dass der junge Mann einen 1 A Geschäftsinn hat und eine Blockchain mit Platz 6 auf dem chinesischen Ranking für ein Apfel und ein Ei zu kaufen beweist das.
Seine Ninjacoins sind wenn ich das recht verstanden habe, wieder frei und es läuft alles auf einen Proxy.
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Find ich echt stark, was Du Dir Gedanken machst. Find ich sehr gut Deine Vorschläge. Wären nur alle so erwachsen. Yours Querdenker !invest_vote
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Justins Versprechen ist meiner Meinung nach nicht viel wert. Ansonsten wäre er schon viel bedachter mit seinen Aussagen und Taten umgegangen.
Die Exchanges haben sich selbst in diese Misslage gebracht und werden hoffentlich mit einem Vertrauensverlust ordentlich abgestraft.
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