I came across an article on Telegram mentioning that art had been cleaned up and thrown away by an employer of a Dutch Museum. It was not recognised as such, but as trash. Garbage that had been left behind in an elevator. The article was accompanied by this photo.
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Is it trash or is it art because the artist painted the cans himself? Is art a hobby or does it have deeper meaning because the artist says it reminds him of good times he had with friends?
If I see beer cans on the floor I have different feelings/thoughts than "fun time".
If the message is: Trash left behind in an elevator it feels to me the artist didn't manage to deliver his message and it isn't art (like my daughter said: If someone picks it up and throws it away it says enough).
It sounds more as if the artist had fun painting and enjoyed reliving his fun time and didn't manage to pass this message to someone else. Only after the musea explained the message was clear but this is not how art speaks. Not even if we believe Wikipedia's new definition of art.
Was the trash news a promotion stunt? It wouldn't surprise me.
(What to expect from a nation instructed to clean up 24/7, save the planet and being punished for leaving trash behind?)
Art, if you like it or not it can be found everywhere if you have an eye for it. Is art always recognised, do we pay for it? Is the budget set for art used for artists, great creative brains with potential?
If I think of art that makes me happy I have this in mind. The undiscovered art lined up hidden behind cars and I wonder why it is still there. I would love to have a garden filled with these sculptures, all happy faces created out of what others call trash, broken car parts not thrown away but brought alive again. How awesome is that?
I used to moonlight as a mover and would occaisonally help some guy dissolve households, among other things. That man was in a constant hurry, breaking the speed limit while puffing ciagrettes and sitting in a pile of candy wrappers and empty coke bottles. Then on the weekends he would visit local flea markets and hawk valuables. I remember asking him about handling art and noticed him avoiding eye contact. He then mumbled something barely intelligible, but he hinted at how the sausage was made. Turns out, he would throw most amateur art straight into the trash and not even consider it. Just how it was, at least to him.
It's depressing, but I guess that's how the real world works. You pour your soul into something, then you die and some sugar addicted nimcompoop destroys your work without thinking twice.
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You painted the situation very well. I see you watch that guy driving covered by candy wraps while puffing cigarettes.😑
Such a pitty not someone with interest visit such a household first. I miss those days where people put their "trash" outside and many went out in the evening to find vsluable items. Today it's no longer collected unless you pay the city. No chance to find some treasures.
It indeed is depressing if you think about it but on the other hand can you blame someone for not liking everything created? If it comes to it galleries and musea do the dmsame. They decide who the artist is.
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We still got dedicated days for old mattresses, furniture, and so on. Technically it's verboten to loot that stuff, but it's kind of tolerated. What you aren't allowed to do is to randomly put something to the curb, even if you're adding a for free sign.
With the guy I was talking about I'm not sure if he's even thinking about it anymore. It's more like a professional disregard that became habitual, a bit like how a butcher on the dissassembly line doesn't see happy animals. It's probably the same with most galleries. Even if there was an audience, finding that audience is considered a bad cost-benefit ratio.
Now old medals and such? That stuff sells.
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No. We can only put garbage in a ment to be chipped container or like in the former place we had a pass to open an underground container where a small bag fits in. You drag your bag/s a few streets through the area to dump them. Always great for the elderly who can't, like the parents of a friend. Also fun if your pass doesn't work. Btw they dig in the garbage to figure out who dumped what.
If you want to get rid of "bigger" garbage you have to make a package of 1 m3 out of it and deliver it yourself with the pass or they pick it up for 45 euros (with bad luck someone else took it before they arrived and you pay in advance so... ). Only2 or 3 times per year.
If it comes to electric items we pay if we buy so if you buy new that company should take the old broken one back. Well, they don't as we experienced after we moved and a few weeks ago. The delivery man says it's not his job so???
As it was still at the frontdoor someone rang and asked if he could take it. We are still waiting for that company to pick it up...
The second hand shop 2switch should take all furniture but also washing machines, tv sets and so on. They don't, so you are still with your furniture left at the frontfoor or it remains there after you moved!
The idea of a second chance is great but those who need it won't get anything because of the rules and if you see something at the 2switch second hand shop they charge you sky high prices because? They receive everything for free and most employers won't get paid either.
It is unclear what the lesspn taught is. There are sites where you can pick up something for free but if you need to rent a car to cruise the country that free sofa is twice as expensive as a new one at Ikea with 10 years guarantee and free delivery. 🤔
It's with most things, same for clothes and so on.
Old matresses I found on the ceiling of the house I rent, it's still there. Setting at fire is no option nor taking it out. The owner renovated and changed the ceilings and the ladder is too short and the hole to crawl through too small. Good for a stow away or so 🤔
I believe all metals are valuable today. Statues and art are ripped which says enough. They should better dig in the "environment street" like they call it (and my son would love to) to reuse everything the city loves to throw away.
If you sell your gold you are fooled, that's for sure (fooled you are anyway).
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Why continue to pose closed questions about art?
The same article gives the answer, the cans are "art" depending on who looks at them and of course on who created them.
From what I read, the artist, the museum and the museum technician recognize it as art.
But, for the man who cleaned, Firstpost and CNN were not, because they evaluated it from different categories.
That happens, you say it well, my friend, the artist conceived an intention when dedicating himself to his cans. The curator who installed the piece in the elevator did not foresee the possibility that a museum staff member would not classify the piece as art.
Regarding the photos you show us, it happens, if you find them in a junk yard, the "garbage" category will predominate. But, if you make an installation in the same place, giving the piece exhibition value. Inviting you to the "Alice in Junkland exhibition" or "sculptures inspired by Tim Burton" would change things. I would like to be the curator of that fantastic tour.
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Aside from that. The pieces are great, I liked them all, I saw Alice's smiling cat and other characters in my imagination.
Naive art?. Products of an employee's leisure time? Masterpieces of an artist, lost in a yard? Solid waste recycling practices?
Let people call it whatever they want... You've already discovered them, enjoyed them, and appreciate them to the point of wanting to take them all home... Honey, that's art.
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I wonder if the musea considers it art. It's a job and they had a theme and whatever was presented they showed. Altogether it might have looked great especially without people around. A trace of 'food' allover the place and for the first time it's not because citizens throw whatever they drink and eat on the street but they call it art.
I would love to be the curator as well... Alice tour or wizzard of Ozz with Robots mix.
I went back after I wrote to have a look again and take some more photos (and spoke with the aritst) car mechanic.
Thanks for the great comment and liking this art as well.
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In the case of the cans, I do not have a fuss about that cause it's a deal that has been agreed to survive on the scale of repetitions.
I work the metal works by the way.
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If there’s something that I’ve noticed in art is that what you might see as garbage artwork, another is willing to spend a fortune to get that same artwork.
I said this because there are some paintings you will see in art gallery that you will want to throw away because You only see mixture of different colors without any interesting pattern but some others will see it and are willing to split a part of their fortune just to keep it at their home
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The art gallery is something different. It's a way to promote and put someone in the spotlight. Is it always deserved?
The gallery has to live and so does the artist and the value is set by what "de gek er voor geeft" (the idiot is willing to pay).
Ever been to an auction? The highest bidder game (greed x fomo).
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